The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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barchetta_boy said:
LOL @ FLATUS
I'm in a funny mood re cars... maybe it's do to with turning 42... kind of fed up with everything. If I could be bothered I would sell the 928, the E46 M3 and the 12C Spider and just keep the 993RS clone. Maybe buy a new Alpine. And a Range Rover to waft about in
Hmm,I'm in a funny mood re cars... maybe it's do to with turning 42... kind of fed up with everything. If I could be bothered I would sell the 928, the E46 M3 and the 12C Spider and just keep the 993RS clone. Maybe buy a new Alpine. And a Range Rover to waft about in
Similar here - I have lost most interest in cars. About 12mths ago I started riding a MTB. I used to be nuts about mountain bikes, but for one reason or another I stopped for about 10yrs.
Anyhow, I bought a trail bike and I would think that I have put more miles on it riding in Wales/England and the Balkans over the last 12mths than on my GT3!
Unlike Joel I would never sell my 928GTS 5-spd and the M3. The GT3 - if I find something interesting to replace it like a properly prepped ‘Vette would probably go...
L100NYY said:
The Corvette is the one you mention frequently........
.......do it.
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Funnily enough I'm getting back into mtb'ng again after a respite. My lungs aren't quite so enthusiastic as the rest of me though
There is something very special about a large displacement, normally aspirated V8... The shove and the noise... No 911 can give me that. .......do it.
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Funnily enough I'm getting back into mtb'ng again after a respite. My lungs aren't quite so enthusiastic as the rest of me though
On another note - had a chance to acquaint myself with the E-type that my brother is restoring. I still don’t get how period Ferraris and Maseratis are worth many multiples of the E-type, while the E-type is sensational. It is a truly modern car (built within the limits of 1960s technology available) I am well and truly in love. Must be numbers produced I guess.
P.S. From the utterly sublime E-type and early XJs to today’s dross. Where did it all go wrong? BL ownership? Ford? Tata?
Cheburator mk2 said:
On another note - had a chance to acquaint myself with the E-type that my brother is restoring. I still don’t get how period Ferraris and Maseratis are worth many multiples of the E-type, while the E-type is sensational. It is a truly modern car (built within the limits of 1960s technology available) I am well and truly in love. Must be numbers produced I guess.
P.S. From the utterly sublime E-type and early XJs to today’s dross. Where did it all go wrong? BL ownership? Ford? Tata?
They are rather fabulous.P.S. From the utterly sublime E-type and early XJs to today’s dross. Where did it all go wrong? BL ownership? Ford? Tata?
RE: New vs old, are there any volume car companies (Ferrari and other megacar makers excepted) that still make wonderful machines like days of old?
Jag, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ford etc etc have all produced some real zingers in the past, but all are thoroughly modernised (for better or worse) now. Personally I think the the previous-gen XF and XJ are excellent, but only viewed through the filter of modern car requirements.
Krikkit said:
They are rather fabulous.
RE: New vs old, are there any volume car companies (Ferrari and other megacar makers excepted) that still make wonderful machines like days of old?
Jag, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ford etc etc have all produced some real zingers in the past, but all are thoroughly modernised (for better or worse) now. Personally I think the the previous-gen XF and XJ are excellent, but only viewed through the filter of modern car requirements.
Very good point about today’s “sanitized” cars produced by all...RE: New vs old, are there any volume car companies (Ferrari and other megacar makers excepted) that still make wonderful machines like days of old?
Jag, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ford etc etc have all produced some real zingers in the past, but all are thoroughly modernised (for better or worse) now. Personally I think the the previous-gen XF and XJ are excellent, but only viewed through the filter of modern car requirements.
What I perhaps did not make very clear was that the E-type was perhaps the best sports car on the market in 1969 - from the fully adjustable and independent suspension, to the fabulous (for the period) disc brakes all round, to the excellent (for the period) aerodynamics and let’s not forget the superb 6-cylinder straight six. The XJ was easily one of the best salons for ages too. Now I can think of 5 or 6 brands which are easily streets ahead of the Jaguar product line...
ATM said:
Surely a 911 TT will have enough shove.
Many moons ago a really good friend had a monumentally fast 996 TT - DMS stage Millenium Falcon 
with Manthey KW3 and GT2 front stoppers as well as Cup Cables, Cup shift and Cup diff. I was about to buy it for £22k as that was the going rate at the time. One of the reasons I did not go through was that it left me totally cold. Don’t get me wrong - the sheer lunacy of it and the ability to induce grin in any gear was there for sure. However, throttle response was rubbish compared to my favourite engines, the sound was OK, but still contrived compared to a GT3 and also it just felt like hammer, while I really wanted to play with a cut throat razor... It is a cliche, but there is no substitute for cubic inches. My brother’s Viper with its 8+ litres and handling tweaks was perhaps the most thrilling car I have ever driven. And also easily the fastest - making mince meat of 996 Cup cars at Silverstone...
Fast Bug said:
Am I one of the few people that doesn't like the E Type?
I wouldn't say I don't like them (except for the series 3 v12s...) but I don't get the overall excitement about them. No doubt technically ahead but much prefer Ferrari from the same period and back in the day prices were comparable now obvs it's a bit different but e-types generally are more plentiful hence lower prices imo.
Low drag e type though, yes please.
Probably not the same driving experience, but I'd much prefer a Pagoda 
www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1000096
www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1000096
Evening all, am lowering the tone but in the spirit of the "look at this" part of the Thread title, I'm loving this thing - a fintail Vauxhall Velox with a 6.2L V8 which has been slightly rodded....
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960-Vauxhall-Velox-pa-...
I can't figure out how to post photos off an eBay listing, but I think it look superb for some cheap old school fun to cruise about in (and RHD...).
Other news - in the City of London today I saw a nice old 6.9 450SEL, being driven by a mum with a car full of young kids.
Other other - post 1965 personally think a 105 Alfa GTV was a better engineered and modern car than an E-type, except for aero and top speed. Cooling that didn't overheat, disc brakes that never faded, 5 speed 'box, did alright in touring cars and possibly faster point to point than an E-type back in the day...
911 of the time a further step up again.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960-Vauxhall-Velox-pa-...
I can't figure out how to post photos off an eBay listing, but I think it look superb for some cheap old school fun to cruise about in (and RHD...).
Other news - in the City of London today I saw a nice old 6.9 450SEL, being driven by a mum with a car full of young kids.
Other other - post 1965 personally think a 105 Alfa GTV was a better engineered and modern car than an E-type, except for aero and top speed. Cooling that didn't overheat, disc brakes that never faded, 5 speed 'box, did alright in touring cars and possibly faster point to point than an E-type back in the day...
911 of the time a further step up again.
Driven a couple of etypes, and never really came away wanting one. Most recent was a chaps who lives on my road. He didn’t get on with it either, and sold it 6 months or so later, replaced by a big Healey. Which also went after 6 months. He’s had a 964 for the past 3 years, which probably says something.
Much prefer the Pagoda, which has no pretence of sportiness at all.
Much prefer the Pagoda, which has no pretence of sportiness at all.
Fast Bug said:
Probably not the same driving experience, but I'd much prefer a Pagoda
www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1000096
We have a Pagoda next to the E-Type in the workshop. A nice car, but a totally antiquated tractor compared to the thoroughbred that the E-type is.www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1000096
Btw, I am a huge Italian/German engineering fanboy and I was also a bit-meh about the Jaguar thing. However, once I dived deep into it, I got the message and also understood why even Enzo Ferrari allegedly said it was the best car in the world at the time
Cheburator mk2 said:
We have a Pagoda next to the E-Type in the workshop. A nice car, but a totally antiquated tractor compared to the thoroughbred that the E-type is.
Btw, I am a huge Italian/German engineering fanboy and I was also a bit-meh about the Jaguar thing. However, once I dived deep into it, I got the message and also understood why even Enzo Ferrari allegedly said it was the best car in the world at the time
Btw, I am a huge Italian/German engineering fanboy and I was also a bit-meh about the Jaguar thing. However, once I dived deep into it, I got the message and also understood why even Enzo Ferrari allegedly said it was the best car in the world at the time
“Most beautiful car in the world”. Not best.
I just don't think the E Type is a good looking car. The track is too narrow, the doors are too short and the front and rear bumpers are at different heights so side on it just looks wrong to me. The later cars look even worse too me, a 2+2 is just all kinds of wrong!
I'll hand in my PH card on the way out
I'll hand in my PH card on the way out
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