The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)

[Mattygooner]

They really are an event to drive, i built a 270S with a small group and it was a brilliant, if occasionally tedious process. On road or track it is one hell of an event.

I imagine an extra 100 BHP would only add to that event!

[DeejRC]

So a cpl of weeks ago I posted links to R8 droptops. Over the last week I’ve been looking at 360 Spyders.

Which basically means I’m feeling the pull of doing something stupid again.

I’ve had a look at Gayardos and can’t see the value in them being 10k higher than 360s on average.

I miss having something droptoppy and special.
Obviously I’m never letting the 4C go because well duh! but the niggle is building for something with no roof.

Have I missed anything obvious? I think a lhd 360 wind in the hair/bald patch job @ £50k is decent value territory. I know 360 stuff was down in the 30s a while back but well that was never going to keep.

Are there glaring reasons why I shouldn’t? No purchase within the next few months, this is my research time.

[ATM]

ferrisbueller said:

Cactussed said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Clicky....

Sorry to hear of your loss, D.

Not my bag but certainly looks a tidy example.

I know nothing about these but my first reaction is that's expensive.

[Slow]

DeejRC said:

So a cpl of weeks ago I posted links to R8 droptops. Over the last week I’ve been looking at 360 Spyders.

Which basically means I’m feeling the pull of doing something stupid again.

I’ve had a look at Gayardos and can’t see the value in them being 10k higher than 360s on average.

I miss having something droptoppy and special.
Obviously I’m never letting the 4C go because well duh! but the niggle is building for something with no roof.

Have I missed anything obvious? I think a lhd 360 wind in the hair/bald patch job @ £50k is decent value territory. I know 360 stuff was down in the 30s a while back but well that was never going to keep.

Are there glaring reasons why I shouldn’t? No purchase within the next few months, this is my research time.

Lambos are just cool though, not sure why but they look much more special than a Ferrari.

[Chris Stott]

Output Flange said:

Chris Stott said:

One of the most truly beautiful cars ever built.

That's a big claim for a P1800, even if it is red!

P1800’s are nice, but no way could you confuse one for a Lusso.

[ferrisbueller]

ATM said:

ferrisbueller said:

Cactussed said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Clicky....

Sorry to hear of your loss, D.

Not my bag but certainly looks a tidy example.

I know nothing about these but my first reaction is that's expensive.

Knowing the seller and given the circumstances, I doubt it.

Unsurprisingly, a cursory review of the classifieds suggests in priced in line with comparable cars, if anything slightly lower.

[bungle]

Remind me… Gen 2 Caymans are not as much of a "chocolate tea pot" as the Gen 1, right? But still not the most robust engine you'll ever find, but better than the Gen 1?

The below popped up on a saved search (xenons and PSE, and local), which doesn't happen very often, so (whilst not necessarily that car) it got me thinking (yet again) re Caymans. It may be an itch I just have to scratch, otherwise it won't go away. [my wallet doesn't stretch to a 981 GTS or GT4 I'm afraid ]

And does anyone know if the Gen 2 suffer from the same long gearing as the later models? I drove one more than 10 years ago, but can't remember now (old age…).




http://www.jrmotorcompany.co.uk/porsche-cayman-34-...

[ferrisbueller]

DeejRC said:

So a cpl of weeks ago I posted links to R8 droptops. Over the last week I’ve been looking at 360 Spyders.

Which basically means I’m feeling the pull of doing something stupid again.

I’ve had a look at Gayardos and can’t see the value in them being 10k higher than 360s on average.

I miss having something droptoppy and special.
Obviously I’m never letting the 4C go because well duh! but the niggle is building for something with no roof.

Have I missed anything obvious? I think a lhd 360 wind in the hair/bald patch job @ £50k is decent value territory. I know 360 stuff was down in the 30s a while back but well that was never going to keep.

Are there glaring reasons why I shouldn’t? No purchase within the next few months, this is my research time.

You'd want a manual and they're a chunk more dollar than the F1, but would retain that premium and probably more, by the time you came to sell. Carbon buckets good to have. Better built and more usable than their forebears but not without their foibles. Certain suspension components (ball joints and TREs) are made of cheese and wear fast. Hill Engineering parts are cheaper than OEM and last much longer. Gearshift bush will be worn - again Hill do a machined ally replacement. They leak a bit if not regularly used but the seals and sealant are relatively cheap and simple to change. Avoid main dealers for maintenance........

History needs to be spot on, which can make buying in Yerp more tricky but avoid the usual suspects and you've half a chance. Continental types seem to be rather less concerned around cambelt change frequency.

I imagine the R8 would be cheaper to run, but depreciation (and the opposite) could tip the overall cost of ownership the other way.

[DeejRC]

Ta Ferris. Ownership experience?

[ferrisbueller]

FWIW, the cheapest manual car I'd bother looking at on Autoscout is 85k Euro. IMO the entry fee is a chunk more than the £50k you had in mind (I include F1s in that, too).

[barchetta_boy]

How much for the Lusso? No price on ad?

[DeejRC]

All the research knowledge is good.

[Mattygooner]

I doubt you would see much change from 4million, probably more.

A SWB is around 10m+ depending on race history, a GTO at least double that. Achingly pretty, although I would probably go for the Light blue Talacrest one in RHD.

[davelise]

ferrisbueller said:

DeejRC said:

So a cpl of weeks ago I posted links to R8 droptops. Over the last week I’ve been looking at 360 Spyders.

Which basically means I’m feeling the pull of doing something stupid again.

I’ve had a look at Gayardos and can’t see the value in them being 10k higher than 360s on average.

I miss having something droptoppy and special.
Obviously I’m never letting the 4C go because well duh! but the niggle is building for something with no roof.

Have I missed anything obvious? I think a lhd 360 wind in the hair/bald patch job @ £50k is decent value territory. I know 360 stuff was down in the 30s a while back but well that was never going to keep.

Are there glaring reasons why I shouldn’t? No purchase within the next few months, this is my research time.

You'd want a manual and they're a chunk more dollar than the F1, but would retain that premium and probably more, by the time you came to sell. Carbon buckets good to have. Better built and more usable than their forebears but not without their foibles. Certain suspension components (ball joints and TREs) are made of cheese and wear fast. Hill Engineering parts are cheaper than OEM and last much longer. Gearshift bush will be worn - again Hill do a machined ally replacement. They leak a bit if not regularly used but the seals and sealant are relatively cheap and simple to change. Avoid main dealers for maintenance........

History needs to be spot on, which can make buying in Yerp more tricky but avoid the usual suspects and you've half a chance. Continental types seem to be rather less concerned around cambelt change frequency.

I imagine the R8 would be cheaper to run, but depreciation (and the opposite) could tip the overall cost of ownership the other way.

Good summary - if you're looking at a Spider, also check the roof for wear and mechanism / fluids. They can be temperamental things. Don't write off an F1 gearbox - cheaper and not as bad as the reports suggest. I also found the standard seats more comfortable than the racing buckets.

R8 would certainly be cheaper to run in my experience. £4k per annum has been the norm on mine...

[Chris Stott]

barchetta_boy said:

How much for the Lusso? No price on ad?

Lussos’s around 1.5-2 million. SWB’s much rarer, and start around 8 million. GTO’s still seem to be unvalueable.

[ferrisbueller]

davelise said:

ferrisbueller said:

DeejRC said:

So a cpl of weeks ago I posted links to R8 droptops. Over the last week I’ve been looking at 360 Spyders.

Which basically means I’m feeling the pull of doing something stupid again.

I’ve had a look at Gayardos and can’t see the value in them being 10k higher than 360s on average.

I miss having something droptoppy and special.
Obviously I’m never letting the 4C go because well duh! but the niggle is building for something with no roof.

Have I missed anything obvious? I think a lhd 360 wind in the hair/bald patch job @ £50k is decent value territory. I know 360 stuff was down in the 30s a while back but well that was never going to keep.

Are there glaring reasons why I shouldn’t? No purchase within the next few months, this is my research time.

You'd want a manual and they're a chunk more dollar than the F1, but would retain that premium and probably more, by the time you came to sell. Carbon buckets good to have. Better built and more usable than their forebears but not without their foibles. Certain suspension components (ball joints and TREs) are made of cheese and wear fast. Hill Engineering parts are cheaper than OEM and last much longer. Gearshift bush will be worn - again Hill do a machined ally replacement. They leak a bit if not regularly used but the seals and sealant are relatively cheap and simple to change. Avoid main dealers for maintenance........

History needs to be spot on, which can make buying in Yerp more tricky but avoid the usual suspects and you've half a chance. Continental types seem to be rather less concerned around cambelt change frequency.

I imagine the R8 would be cheaper to run, but depreciation (and the opposite) could tip the overall cost of ownership the other way.

Good summary - if you're looking at a Spider, also check the roof for wear and mechanism / fluids. They can be temperamental things. Don't write off an F1 gearbox - cheaper and not as bad as the reports suggest. I also found the standard seats more comfortable than the racing buckets.

R8 would certainly be cheaper to run in my experience. £4k per annum has been the norm on mine...

15 hours to sort the air con would be a doozy. The fancy dampers aren't too durable, either. Brakes more expensive etc but servicing lower and less regular - you need to do the 360 annually.

[jeremyc]

DeejRC said:

So a cpl of weeks ago I posted links to R8 droptops. Over the last week I’ve been looking at 360 Spyders.

Which basically means I’m feeling the pull of doing something stupid again.

I miss having something droptoppy and special.

Have I missed anything obvious?

A TVR maybe? How about a nice throbby Griffith ...

[Rocket.]

bungle said:

Remind me… Gen 2 Caymans are not as much of a "chocolate tea pot" as the Gen 1, right? But still not the most robust engine you'll ever find, but better than the Gen 1?

The below popped up on a saved search (xenons and PSE, and local), which doesn't happen very often, so (whilst not necessarily that car) it got me thinking (yet again) re Caymans. It may be an itch I just have to scratch, otherwise it won't go away. [my wallet doesn't stretch to a 981 GTS or GT4 I'm afraid ]

And does anyone know if the Gen 2 suffer from the same long gearing as the later models? I drove one more than 10 years ago, but can't remember now (old age…).




http://www.jrmotorcompany.co.uk/porsche-cayman-34-...

Nice car and good spec, so far my gen 2 S has been very reliable and is now on 64,000 miles uses about half a litre of oil every every 5,000 miles, that includes 3 track days per year and engine still feels strong. Imo engine oil should be changed every year not 2 as per Porsche.

Ref gearing can't be sure but def feels shorter geared than the 981 Boxster I drove, in fact 987 felt more analogue all round than the 981 which is partly why I went for it.

Love mine 2 years on and they react well to right mods, suspension, brakes etc. Can't think for the price what else really does what they can apart from an older 911 or an Evora.

[bungle]

Rocket. said:

Nice car and good spec, so far my gen 2 S has been very reliable and is now on 64,000 miles uses about half a litre of oil every every 5,000 miles, that includes 3 track days per year and engine still feels strong. Imo engine oil should be changed every year not 2 as per Porsche.

Ref gearing can't be sure but def feels shorter geared than the 981 Boxster I drove, in fact 987 felt more analogue all round than the 981 which is partly why I went for it.

Love mine 2 years on and they react well to right mods, suspension, brakes etc. Can't think for the price what else really does what they can apart from an older 911 or an Evora.

Thanks Rocket. Very helpful. Glad you're enjoying it!

Given you mention mods, and your car looks like it is sitting very well (nice and low), have you changed the suspension? Looks spot on to me.

[L100NYY]

That Cayman does look absolutely spot on