RE: Golf GTI Clubsport S sold out!
Discussion
nickfrog said:
IMI A said:
nickfrog said:
How can the M2 be bloated if it's the same weight as a E46 M3 ?
This thread is about a VW track lw special buddy. The Golf CS S is still relatively heavy for a track special.Nigh on 1600kg with a driver for E46 M3 and M2 is far too heavy in the context of track work. Fine for a road car and most average road cars weigh in at about this weight or even heavier nowadays...
Plenty of people at DN15 last month were running M cars, and the current ones don't even cook their brakes. Not everyone want to travel to a track in a Caterfield.
I do think the Golf CS would be great for that actually. Or an M2 for that matter.
I agree re the Golf CS S and I'm sure it should handle many laps of the N although I'm not impressed VW didn't give it the Brembo brake upgrade its Seat twin has. I suspect many owners who track them will upgrade to the Seat Brembo set up or better.
I'm not so sure with the M2. Fine for 1 or 2 laps of the N with a decent pro am driver. After that its brakes will be gone as will its tyres. Hence just not comparable to the CS S IMO. Perhaps BMW will release a lw version of the M2 (without crappy fake engine noise through speakers)! Seriously what are BMW's M division on?
vpr said:
I'm sure this synthetic engine noise into the cabin is due to noise emission regulation
It's a very cheap solution especially when compared to fitting valued exhausts Merc, Audi (apart from the s3), Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, Maserati, Aston Martin. (Have you heard the GT8?) etc. have no problems with the reg or with making their performance cars sound brilliant.
Or maybe he just ticked the Bose exhaust speaker option (full beans at the end if vid)
https://youtu.be/h6Ag36qeajA
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Saturday 6th August 23:11
mwstewart said:
Is the Polo GTi worth a look as a contender to the Golf? The Golf has grown a bit too large for my needs at the moment.
I went from 997.2 turbo pdk to a polo gti, as I am taking a break. it's bit heavy on the fuel but it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.i passed on the golf r, as yes it's a bit too big for a hot hatch and it's a victim of its own success, they are far too numerous (vw uk could hit 10k cars with the current model) due to the leasing deals. I see one without fail on a commute.
I have no doubt the club sport order book is filled by golf r drivers without a family wanting a bit of exclusivity back.
Carl_Manchester said:
I went from 997.2 turbo pdk to a polo gti, as I am taking a break. it's bit heavy on the fuel but it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
i passed on the golf r, as yes it's a bit too big for a hot hatch and it's a victim of its own success, they are far too numerous (vw uk could hit 10k cars with the current model) due to the leasing deals. I see one without fail on a commute.
I have no doubt the club sport order book is filled by golf r drivers without a family wanting a bit of exclusivity back.
Have you got the new one or the 6R? I don't find fuel that bad although it's nowhere near the claimed 47mpg...I get 39mpg on average and a trip back from Essex to Suffolk using the a12 and 14 I got 44mpg. Actually worse than my 172!i passed on the golf r, as yes it's a bit too big for a hot hatch and it's a victim of its own success, they are far too numerous (vw uk could hit 10k cars with the current model) due to the leasing deals. I see one without fail on a commute.
I have no doubt the club sport order book is filled by golf r drivers without a family wanting a bit of exclusivity back.
nickfrog said:
A few post ago you were saying that a stripped out E46 is nice but know they need to be dd too, which is it ?
M2 is 1495kgs DIN. i.e. 1,570 kgs with a 75kg driver. For clarity, this is identical to a E46 M3. I have seen countless of those tracked and dd over the years.
If you can't see past the fake noise, then fair enough. Plenty of people track their current M any day of the week despite it (or they simply pull the fuse out), yet use them as dailies. Have a quick look at Spa and the Ring next time. I have no idea what a typical BMW driver is, and to be fair I don't care. I judge a product on its merits as I am sure you do. I am also convinced you have extensive experience of current M cars on the road and track, including the M2.
It would be interesting to know what car you drive.
But the M2 is supposed to be a class smaller. Presumably the current M3 is heavier?M2 is 1495kgs DIN. i.e. 1,570 kgs with a 75kg driver. For clarity, this is identical to a E46 M3. I have seen countless of those tracked and dd over the years.
If you can't see past the fake noise, then fair enough. Plenty of people track their current M any day of the week despite it (or they simply pull the fuse out), yet use them as dailies. Have a quick look at Spa and the Ring next time. I have no idea what a typical BMW driver is, and to be fair I don't care. I judge a product on its merits as I am sure you do. I am also convinced you have extensive experience of current M cars on the road and track, including the M2.
It would be interesting to know what car you drive.
Anyway, they're all way too heavy for sustained track work. When they are on track you normally smell them before you see them! Admittedly big Euro tracks have long straights for cooling but even then the wear over a day is a lot, often shocking it's owner.
Maybe BMW should strip out 200kgs and sell those as "M Track" specials?
JoeMarano said:
Carl_Manchester said:
I went from 997.2 turbo pdk to a polo gti, as I am taking a break. it's bit heavy on the fuel but it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
i passed on the golf r, as yes it's a bit too big for a hot hatch and it's a victim of its own success, they are far too numerous (vw uk could hit 10k cars with the current model) due to the leasing deals. I see one without fail on a commute.
I have no doubt the club sport order book is filled by golf r drivers without a family wanting a bit of exclusivity back.
Have you got the new one or the 6R? I don't find fuel that bad although it's nowhere near the claimed 47mpg...I get 39mpg on average and a trip back from Essex to Suffolk using the a12 and 14 I got 44mpg. Actually worse than my 172!i passed on the golf r, as yes it's a bit too big for a hot hatch and it's a victim of its own success, they are far too numerous (vw uk could hit 10k cars with the current model) due to the leasing deals. I see one without fail on a commute.
I have no doubt the club sport order book is filled by golf r drivers without a family wanting a bit of exclusivity back.
I sort of wish I had specced cruise control with it as last night the road was clear and would have had a use for it. I find the throttle even with a slight touch can take you from 90 mpg (on the computer) to 30mpg so quickly! So having the car control itself to 70mph would yield better mpg i reckon.
If you are really gentle with the throttle (which is nigh on impossible in a car like this) it's quite easy to get good mpg round town.
I don't quite understand how a really old NA petrol 2.0 16v engine is a lot more economical than a 1.8 turbocharged modern engine though.
In my opinion it's quite a heavy car though at 1272kg and I echo the previous comments about bmw's in that the brakes on it as standard aren't up to proper track work. I can only do about three decent laps before j have to come in.
If you are really gentle with the throttle (which is nigh on impossible in a car like this) it's quite easy to get good mpg round town.
I don't quite understand how a really old NA petrol 2.0 16v engine is a lot more economical than a 1.8 turbocharged modern engine though.
In my opinion it's quite a heavy car though at 1272kg and I echo the previous comments about bmw's in that the brakes on it as standard aren't up to proper track work. I can only do about three decent laps before j have to come in.
Edited by JoeMarano on Sunday 7th August 13:07
JoeMarano said:
I sort of wish I had specced cruise control with it as last night the road was clear and would have had a use for it. I find the throttle even with a slight touch can take you from 90 mpg (on the computer) to 30mpg so quickly! So having the car control itself to 70mph would yield better mpg i reckon.
If you are really gentle with the throttle (which is nigh on impossible in a car like this) it's quite easy to get good mpg round town.
I don't quite understand how a really old NA petrol 2.0 16v engine is a lot more economical than a 1.8 turbocharged modern engine though.
In my opinion it's quite a heavy car though at 1272kg and I echo the previous comments about bmw's in that the brakes on it as standard aren't up to proper track work. I can only do about three decent laps before j have to come in.
172s/182s weigh near enough 1000kg. That'd be why.If you are really gentle with the throttle (which is nigh on impossible in a car like this) it's quite easy to get good mpg round town.
I don't quite understand how a really old NA petrol 2.0 16v engine is a lot more economical than a 1.8 turbocharged modern engine though.
In my opinion it's quite a heavy car though at 1272kg and I echo the previous comments about bmw's in that the brakes on it as standard aren't up to proper track work. I can only do about three decent laps before j have to come in.
Edited by JoeMarano on Sunday 7th August 13:07
In answer to others in this thread Volkswagen is only allowing the Clubsport S to be sold down retail channels and has vetted every order to confirm the customer details and made sure of the registration details of the potential owner. They have then ordered the cars themselves rather than allow the retailer to order them. The process was to apply to VW UK direct with customer details and then VW has emailed last week to let dealerships know if they have provided cars for the customers or not.
This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
I honestly don't understand this car...it's got the fundamental compromises of a FWD 5-seat medium-sized hatchback but without the rear seats that give you the benefit of the layout / shape.
Surely if you've got £35k or whatever to spend and you don't need rear seats, you could think of something a little more exciting than a generic FWD inline-4 turbo tarted-up shopping box? It's as if there aren't enough of those about these days - VAG alone make at least half a dozen versions of the same thing!
As for the inflation comments I always see on here, it's all nonsense anyway as in most cases wages haven't kept up. Just because £21k a decade ago equals £27.5k now, it doesn't mean the £21k buyer from a decade ago can afford the new price / finds it acceptable.
Surely if you've got £35k or whatever to spend and you don't need rear seats, you could think of something a little more exciting than a generic FWD inline-4 turbo tarted-up shopping box? It's as if there aren't enough of those about these days - VAG alone make at least half a dozen versions of the same thing!
As for the inflation comments I always see on here, it's all nonsense anyway as in most cases wages haven't kept up. Just because £21k a decade ago equals £27.5k now, it doesn't mean the £21k buyer from a decade ago can afford the new price / finds it acceptable.
If I was allowed to spend that sort of money I would probably just go for the regular clubsport. Looks the same and has most of the fancy features but you can actually carry passengers in it. Quite why they don't give you the option of the rear seats is beyond me. Just make them easier to take out or something.
JoeMarano said:
If I was allowed to spend that sort of money I would probably just go for the regular clubsport. Looks the same and has most of the fancy features but you can actually carry passengers in it. Quite why they don't give you the option of the rear seats is beyond me. Just make them easier to take out or something.
They are easy to take out and put back in. Just get some from a front ended MK7 and bung them in.
jjgreenwood said:
In answer to others in this thread Volkswagen is only allowing the Clubsport S to be sold down retail channels and has vetted every order to confirm the customer details and made sure of the registration details of the potential owner. They have then ordered the cars themselves rather than allow the retailer to order them. The process was to apply to VW UK direct with customer details and then VW has emailed last week to let dealerships know if they have provided cars for the customers or not.
This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
Well done VW. It seems they have the ability to properly allocate only 150 UK cars to enthusiast / loyal customers whilst its subsidiary Porsche continues to sell the vast majority of its UK GT3 / RS allocation to flipper mates of their UK dealers. Cringeworthy.This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
jjgreenwood said:
In answer to others in this thread Volkswagen is only allowing the Clubsport S to be sold down retail channels and has vetted every order to confirm the customer details and made sure of the registration details of the potential owner. They have then ordered the cars themselves rather than allow the retailer to order them. The process was to apply to VW UK direct with customer details and then VW has emailed last week to let dealerships know if they have provided cars for the customers or not.
This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
Whilst this may hold true for the UK, it's not the same on the continent. Local dealers have these in stock already (1 red, 1 white publicly advertised) but with zero € discount, unlike other GTI or R models dealers have in stock on which you can get 6-8% discount off list as a private purchase, or much, much more % on lease deals.This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
Clivey said:
I honestly don't understand this car...it's got the fundamental compromises of a FWD 5-seat medium-sized hatchback but without the rear seats that give you the benefit of the layout / shape.
Surely if you've got £35k or whatever to spend and you don't need rear seats, you could think of something a little more exciting than a generic FWD inline-4 turbo tarted-up shopping box? It's as if there aren't enough of those about these days - VAG alone make at least half a dozen versions of the same thing!
As for the inflation comments I always see on here, it's all nonsense anyway as in most cases wages haven't kept up. Just because £21k a decade ago equals £27.5k now, it doesn't mean the £21k buyer from a decade ago can afford the new price / finds it acceptable.
You and others here COMPLETELY miss the point of this carSurely if you've got £35k or whatever to spend and you don't need rear seats, you could think of something a little more exciting than a generic FWD inline-4 turbo tarted-up shopping box? It's as if there aren't enough of those about these days - VAG alone make at least half a dozen versions of the same thing!
As for the inflation comments I always see on here, it's all nonsense anyway as in most cases wages haven't kept up. Just because £21k a decade ago equals £27.5k now, it doesn't mean the £21k buyer from a decade ago can afford the new price / finds it acceptable.
It's a road legal track biased car. Something VW have never produced before.
Renault produced the Megane R26R a number of years back and me and a few friend all bought one each and had the best time of our track day life in them. A road biased car would not have worked.
150 deposits prove there is a need for such a car. I for one cannot wait for mine to arrive. If I need 5 seats I'll take another car, if I need a convertible I'll do the same etc etc
IMI A said:
jjgreenwood said:
In answer to others in this thread Volkswagen is only allowing the Clubsport S to be sold down retail channels and has vetted every order to confirm the customer details and made sure of the registration details of the potential owner. They have then ordered the cars themselves rather than allow the retailer to order them. The process was to apply to VW UK direct with customer details and then VW has emailed last week to let dealerships know if they have provided cars for the customers or not.
This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
Well done VW. It seems they have the ability to properly allocate only 150 UK cars to enthusiast / loyal customers whilst its subsidiary Porsche continues to sell the vast majority of its UK GT3 / RS allocation to flipper mates of their UK dealers. Cringeworthy.This means there will be no Clubsport S registered as demonstrators, company vehicles or fleet cars assuming everyone who ordered one goes ahead with the order when they arrive. All vehicles have been ordered before the price was released.
Last week order numbers were provided to successful retailers and I hope we will see production dates on them soon. I'm going to give back the company car and purchase one of these for myself as its the most unusual car I have seen Volkswagen produce in the 12 years I've worked for the company. It should be great fun.
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