RE: Aston Martin DB11: Review
Discussion
TaylotS2K said:
I think Aston reached a pinnacle in the looks department with the current Vanquish. Whilst I'm sure this has moved the game on in terms of capability - the design just doesn't float my boat as much.
You see I think that the Vanquish is a really fussy design. The DB7 was nice but looks terribly dated now, I love the original DB9 and V8 Vantage as they both still look stunning despite again starting to look dated, the DBS / Virage / later DB9 and Vanquish just looks like quick 'updates' on the originals and I don't think the styling worked that well. Nice, but not classics. This new DB11 is absolutely stunning and brings just enough of the old Aston design to keep it's identity whilst bringing in the 'modern' that hadn't worked on the re-hash of the DB9 platform.
Hopefully it'll sell like hot cakes.
j_s14a said:
Astons problem is that the DB7 regarded as one of the best looking cars in the world, ever. No one thought they would be able to top that, but they did with the DB9.
The beauty of the DB7 and DB9 designs were their elegant simplicity. The DB11 is too fussy in its design, and while it is a good looking car, it will never be as highly regarded as it's predecessors, looks wise at least.
Didn't Jaguar design the DB7? My understanding is that it was a canned F-Type that was given to Aston, who just put an Aston's face on it, hence the pejorative term 'Jag in drag' at the time.The beauty of the DB7 and DB9 designs were their elegant simplicity. The DB11 is too fussy in its design, and while it is a good looking car, it will never be as highly regarded as it's predecessors, looks wise at least.
Theophany said:
Didn't Jaguar design the DB7? My understanding is that it was a canned F-Type that was given to Aston, who just put an Aston's face on it, hence the pejorative term 'Jag in drag' at the time.
I think that was more to do with the DB7s Jag XJS underpinnings and Jaguar straight-six based engine.Theophany said:
Didn't Jaguar design the DB7? My understanding is that it was a canned F-Type that was given to Aston, who just put an Aston's face on it, hence the pejorative term 'Jag in drag' at the time.
Ford got this far:
There are certainly similarities but the DB7 is hardly the XJ41 "with Aston's face on it".
r11co said:
Only thing I am not liking is the seat patterning, and that really is nit-picking.
Good to see Aston have finally broken the DB9 mould. Those who are saying the exterior is fussy and will date have missed the point. Changing the flourishes gives the designers plenty of scope for facelifts that will actually make the car look different in future. The fact that most of the rear-end is made up of the bumper moulding makes that bit much easier to re-engineer. Front wing cutouts?! Just change the entire pressings!
For too long Aston have been criticised for releasing a string of models that look identical style-wise. They do something about it and people still complain....
I never have criticised AM for models that look too alike. I loved the looks of the V8 Vantage and the DB9!! Allready the Vanquish II was too fussy IMHO.Good to see Aston have finally broken the DB9 mould. Those who are saying the exterior is fussy and will date have missed the point. Changing the flourishes gives the designers plenty of scope for facelifts that will actually make the car look different in future. The fact that most of the rear-end is made up of the bumper moulding makes that bit much easier to re-engineer. Front wing cutouts?! Just change the entire pressings!
For too long Aston have been criticised for releasing a string of models that look identical style-wise. They do something about it and people still complain....
Edited by r11co on Friday 5th August 10:20
This new DB11 is the first "high-volume" Aston since the DB2/4 I don't care for at all!
You may well be very right, that a lot of thoughts have gone into "what can we change come facelift time".
And I know this is the brutal reallity these days. But a trully great design you get right the first time, IMO!
This isn't a trully great design, not bad by any means but sure as hell not great!
The DB mkIII; The DB4/5/6; the original DBS/V8(Vantage); the Virage/V8 Vanatage; The DB7; The original Vanquish; the DB9/DBS and the V8/V12 Vantage. All trully great AM designs from day one!!
Theophany said:
Didn't Jaguar design the DB7? My understanding is that it was a canned F-Type that was given to Aston, who just put an Aston's face on it, hence the pejorative term 'Jag in drag' at the time.
Not quite - Aston Martin designed the Jaguar XK8 to be the DB7, but didn't think it was "Aston enough", so gave the design to Jaguar, started again, and came up with the DB7 as we know it - hence why it is vaguely similar to the XK8 in some ways, although much prettier.mwstewart said:
Great review and photos.
I'll agree with the write up but whilst the photos are 'pretty', once again I've had to wait until somebody posts some photos in the comments before I could actually see what the car looks like. Surely if you're going to put that many photos in an article then you can spare a few that actually show what the car looks like as opposed to the ubiquitous [PH] sun glinting, jaunty angled, close up of random elements (oh look, it has glass in the boot!). Don't get me wrong, these are nice to look at and clearly take a lot of talent, but please can you balance the art w
k with some photos of the car in your articles??Sorry, rant over
Having now seen the photos (thanks Timbola), the car really does lack the elegance and grace that previous generations had. I'm with j_s14a, the DB9 made me weak at the knees, this considerably less so. However seeing as I'm never going to buy one, I'm fairly sure AM won't lose too much sleep 
. Best of luck to them and I hope they sell well. Love the clamshell bonnet with headlight inserts.
Important car for Aston and it looks good, is innovative both under the skin and on it.
Just wonder what plans AMG have for Aston. Or rather hope that AMG don't.
Another Dan article, another set of irrelevant mentions for the 911.
The 911 is not a GT car is it so what is the point of mentioning 911 seats in comparison to the DB11 or the performance is the same as x,y or z 911.
Dull Dan, very dull. Otherwise good article.
Great press photos too.
The baby Aston that will come from this should look brilliant.
Important car for Aston and it looks good, is innovative both under the skin and on it.
Just wonder what plans AMG have for Aston. Or rather hope that AMG don't.
Another Dan article, another set of irrelevant mentions for the 911.
The 911 is not a GT car is it so what is the point of mentioning 911 seats in comparison to the DB11 or the performance is the same as x,y or z 911.
Dull Dan, very dull. Otherwise good article.
Great press photos too.
The baby Aston that will come from this should look brilliant.
Really not sure about that back end - and the C pillar looks awful. I saw one on the A350 a month or so ago and, although they do admittedly look better 'in the flesh' I'm still a bit disappointed with the looks.
I can understand wanting to look modern and different but shouldn't mean they had to make it look so ugly.
I can understand wanting to look modern and different but shouldn't mean they had to make it look so ugly.
smilo996 said:
Another Dan article, another set of irrelevant mentions for the 911.
The 911 is not a GT car is it so what is the point of mentioning 911 seats in comparison to the DB11 or the performance is the same as x,y or z 911.
Dull Dan, very dull. Otherwise good article.
I would assume at tis price point sensible buyers are checking out quality alternatives no matter what the underlying "purpose" of the car is...
RichB said:
VF7 said:
...This new DB11 is the first "high-volume" Aston since the DB2/4 I don't care for at all!
Sorry but I've got to pick you up on that. Are seriously saying the DB7 was not built in volume? the key addition being: "...I don't care for..."
its an opinion, not a fact.
ben5575 said:
I'll agree with the write up but whilst the photos are 'pretty', once again I've had to wait until somebody posts some photos in the comments before I could actually see what the car looks like. Surely if you're going to put that many photos in an article then you can spare a few that actually show what the car looks like as opposed to the ubiquitous [PH] sun glinting, jaunty angled, close up of random elements (oh look, it has glass in the boot!). Don't get me wrong, these are nice to look at and clearly take a lot of talent, but please can you balance the art wk with some photos of the car in your articles??
I had looked around one at Silverstone last weekend so it’s likely that I was subconsciously filling in any gaps. Looking back you are right on the balance point.k with some photos of the car in your articles?? 
mwstewart said:
I had looked around one at Silverstone last weekend so it’s likely that I was subconsciously filling in any gaps. Looking back you are right on the balance point.
Sorry, that was a general rant at PH, not your comment just in case it came across that way. You were the rant catalyst 
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