No such Thing as a slow car
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TooMany2cvs said:
blueg33 said:
How can a relatively slow car be faster than the average vehicle on the roads?
Clue: Not all vehicles are cars.So trying to be clever and condescending makes you look like a bit of a plonker who just wants to pick an argument
blueg33 said:
You didn't need to say that, you just needed to read a few words further on in my post.
So trying to be clever and condescending makes you look like a bit of a plonker who just wants to pick an argument
<shrug>So trying to be clever and condescending makes you look like a bit of a plonker who just wants to pick an argument
Whereas if you're admitting that your last few words render your first few words unnecessary, then your post just looks like an ill-thought out stream of consciousness. You could have thought "Oh, yeh" as you typed those last few words, then not posted...
TooMany2cvs said:
blueg33 said:
You didn't need to say that, you just needed to read a few words further on in my post.
So trying to be clever and condescending makes you look like a bit of a plonker who just wants to pick an argument
<shrug>So trying to be clever and condescending makes you look like a bit of a plonker who just wants to pick an argument
Whereas if you're admitting that your last few words render your first few words unnecessary, then your post just looks like an ill-thought out stream of consciousness. You could have thought "Oh, yeh" as you typed those last few words, then not posted...
Serously pal you are bloody hard work.
I can kind of see where the OP's coming from. My first car was a 1.1 Fiesta, I would generally win the traffic light grand prix 99% of the time through driving like a knob, haring off as soon as the lights changed making full use of my massive 50ish bhp. Meanwhile the majority of drivers don't use a fraction of the power they've got available.
Similarly the average driver seems to think to 45mph is a suitable speed for a deristricted single carriageway, while a 17 year old in a Fiesta thought Warp 5 would be better, but would accept whatever speed could be achieved by keeping the accelerator pressed flat to the floor.
As a biker though I do often think all cars are slow, try commuting round the M25 on a bike and you'll see what I mean
Similarly the average driver seems to think to 45mph is a suitable speed for a deristricted single carriageway, while a 17 year old in a Fiesta thought Warp 5 would be better, but would accept whatever speed could be achieved by keeping the accelerator pressed flat to the floor.
As a biker though I do often think all cars are slow, try commuting round the M25 on a bike and you'll see what I mean
chrisb92 said:
SlimJim16v said:
That's like complaining your trousers keep falling down because you can't be bothered to do them up. Buy a pair with an elasticated waist* then.
Right?- ie an auto diesel.
I drive an A3 Diesel 184bhp DSG Quattro... enough torque and auto, so bang on I'd say. Probably the easiest car I've ever driven in my life. I can only imagine how effortless a 6 cyl auto diesel is to drive.
My 4x4 weighs close to 2 ton and has 114bhp (2.5 TD thats a paper 0-60 of almost 17seconds. tops out at 85ish). Still able to hustle it along B-roads faster than most. Its actually extremely enjoyable trying to carry its weight steadily around whilst maintaining 60mph. Although I must admit it will probably fall over eventually the way I drive it, big motors like that, whilst slow, are... extremely fun to drive like a t
t (read: aggresively as hell). Not sure what it is with big heavy utility vehicles that seem to bring out the worst in most people that drive them but whatever it is its bloody addictive 
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t (read: aggresively as hell). Not sure what it is with big heavy utility vehicles that seem to bring out the worst in most people that drive them but whatever it is its bloody addictive . caelite said:
My 4x4 weighs close to 2 ton and has 114bhp (2.5 TD thats a paper 0-60 of almost 17seconds. tops out at 85ish). Still able to hustle it along B-roads faster than most. Its actually extremely enjoyable trying to carry its weight steadily around whilst maintaining 60mph. Although I must admit it will probably fall over eventually the way I drive it, big motors like that, whilst slow, are... extremely fun to drive like a tt (read: aggresively as hell). Not sure what it is with big heavy utility vehicles that seem to bring out the worst in most people that drive them but whatever it is its bloody addictive .
<looks out window at camper - two ton, 9ft tall, 57bhp of 1.7D...>t (read: aggresively as hell). Not sure what it is with big heavy utility vehicles that seem to bring out the worst in most people that drive them but whatever it is its bloody addictive . 
blueg33 said:
Op. The secret is dont post dumb crap that mskes no sense, re read your first post objectively. Basically, you are bigging up your driving, You come across as saying "i am so good i make my low power shopping trolley go like a supercar and other drivers are slower than me."
The whole premise of your post was flawed and said "look at me, i am a driving god". Whether thats what you meant or not, its how many people took it.
I do agree that a good driver can make a car go better than you may expect, but slow is a relative term, place a good driver in a Ka and ask him to drive at 100% and then put the same driver in a Ferrari 488 and ask him to drive at 70%. I can guarantee that anywhere other than a narrow country lane or a car park the Ka will be a slow car in comparison with the Ferrari.
Very Good point after re reading my first point I can see why negativity came my way. I am a poor driver. I do not take any risks. My original post was aimed at the people who take the mickey out of so called slow cars. I should have worded it better. The whole premise of your post was flawed and said "look at me, i am a driving god". Whether thats what you meant or not, its how many people took it.
I do agree that a good driver can make a car go better than you may expect, but slow is a relative term, place a good driver in a Ka and ask him to drive at 100% and then put the same driver in a Ferrari 488 and ask him to drive at 70%. I can guarantee that anywhere other than a narrow country lane or a car park the Ka will be a slow car in comparison with the Ferrari.
Edited by blueg33 on Wednesday 7th September 09:30
jamieduff1981 said:
chaz1234 said:
I will just re quote this because it`s interesting you Mentioned it First of all I never said I am a better driver than anyone else. I am a st driver I would like to be a good driver but can`t really be bothered to get better. I have had no accidents in 7 years of driving and am safe not the quickest. Self esteem issues? Interested you Mentioned that is that something you suffer with? I personally don`t Hence why I am rarely here posting anything. This place is like a bullstters paradise people claiming bhp figures showing off how fast there cars are. And generally talking st. One person jumps on saying a car is slow everyone else joins in even if they have no personal experience of that car. Oh an for all the punctuation and capital letter police Good luck in life if that is all you can contribute to the discussion I am sure you all lead very interesting lives.
7 years accident free huh? Good for you, really, because your command of written English makes you sound like you drive like a cock. My house isn't worth £500k (is yours?) but we each make our choices. Cars are worth broadly the same figure like-for-like up and down the UK but for a lot less than £500k I have a house of very comfortable size, with a 75ft shed for tinkering in, more land than I can fully maintain and a hilltop location with a view of around 25 miles from the glass gable end living room window in a quiet part of Scotland which I love. That seems better value to me than paying £500k for some generic Lego brick house in a midlands housing estate or a studio flat in a rougher part of London but hey - each to their own etc.t driver I would like to be a good driver but can`t really be bothered to get better. I have had no accidents in 7 years of driving and am safe not the quickest. Self esteem issues? Interested you Mentioned that is that something you suffer with? I personally don`t Hence why I am rarely here posting anything. This place is like a bullstters paradise people claiming bhp figures showing off how fast there cars are. And generally talking st. One person jumps on saying a car is slow everyone else joins in even if they have no personal experience of that car. Oh an for all the punctuation and capital letter police Good luck in life if that is all you can contribute to the discussion I am sure you all lead very interesting lives.FWIW, I have around 40,000 miles in high performance RWD cars and probably 300,000 miles altogether in vehicles of above average performance. I have had a clean licence all the while I've had the high performance cars and never had more than one SP30 at a time - which I gained two of in series in my 20s. My only accident was achieved when I was 21 years old, on a back road, driving a slow car too fast.
Quick cars can be driven briskly on public roads with substantial margins for safety on cornering and braking. It's up to the driver to ensure he/she makes suitable provision for other traffic or uncertainties on the road itself. Anyone keeping up in a slow car is pushing their car that much harder, and has a great deal left in their back pocket. I learned that when I was 21. It sounds like you (and to be fair, many others) haven't learned that yet.
chaz1234 said:
Won`t go Into huge detail on this reply fear of spelling or grammer police. Will answer one question Yes I do own a 500k house. I am actually very poor in terms of money in bank. But house is a investment for my children. As for pushing a slow car to its limits. I do totally agree with you But if we look at the stopping distances printed in current highway code they are based on a ford anglia with crossply tyres.
You have a 500k house and have to drive a Ford Ka? So you've essentially mortgaged yourself up to the eyes and now can't have the fun things in life.It's not just about stopping distances though, my 11 year old BMW 645 will probably stop from 70 mph in less than half of the distances shown, but that won't help me if something unexpected happens.
If you're driving at 100% on the road you're not leaving any margin. If you're cornering as hard as the Ka can and need to tighten the line you're likely to have a some major issues.
I speak from experience, I've had slow cars (950cc Fiesta and others) and driven them quickly. I've had some quite large crashes too. The difference with the cars I have now is that I have a lot more in reserve if things go wrong.
Edited by Speed addicted on Wednesday 21st September 07:42
Edited by Speed addicted on Wednesday 21st September 07:42
jamieduff1981 said:
7 years accident free huh? Good for you, really, because your command of written English makes you sound like you drive like a cock. My house isn't worth £500k (is yours?) but we each make our choices. Cars are worth broadly the same figure like-for-like up and down the UK but for a lot less than £500k I have a house of very comfortable size, with a 75ft shed for tinkering in, more land than I can fully maintain and a hilltop location with a view of around 25 miles from the glass gable end living room window in a quiet part of Scotland which I love. That seems better value to me than paying £500k for some generic Lego brick house in a midlands housing estate or a studio flat in a rougher part of London but hey - each to their own etc.
FWIW, I have around 40,000 miles in high performance RWD cars and probably 300,000 miles altogether in vehicles of above average performance. I have had a clean licence all the while I've had the high performance cars and never had more than one SP30 at a time - which I gained two of in series in my 20s. My only accident was achieved when I was 21 years old, on a back road, driving a slow car too fast.
Quick cars can be driven briskly on public roads with substantial margins for safety on cornering and braking. It's up to the driver to ensure he/she makes suitable provision for other traffic or uncertainties on the road itself. Anyone keeping up in a slow car is pushing their car that much harder, and has a great deal left in their back pocket. I learned that when I was 21. It sounds like you (and to be fair, many others) haven't learned that yet.
Are people seriously this insecure? FWIW, I have around 40,000 miles in high performance RWD cars and probably 300,000 miles altogether in vehicles of above average performance. I have had a clean licence all the while I've had the high performance cars and never had more than one SP30 at a time - which I gained two of in series in my 20s. My only accident was achieved when I was 21 years old, on a back road, driving a slow car too fast.
Quick cars can be driven briskly on public roads with substantial margins for safety on cornering and braking. It's up to the driver to ensure he/she makes suitable provision for other traffic or uncertainties on the road itself. Anyone keeping up in a slow car is pushing their car that much harder, and has a great deal left in their back pocket. I learned that when I was 21. It sounds like you (and to be fair, many others) haven't learned that yet.
Get a grip!
yonex said:
jamieduff1981 said:
7 years accident free huh? Good for you, really, because your command of written English makes you sound like you drive like a cock. My house isn't worth £500k (is yours?) but we each make our choices. Cars are worth broadly the same figure like-for-like up and down the UK but for a lot less than £500k I have a house of very comfortable size, with a 75ft shed for tinkering in, more land than I can fully maintain and a hilltop location with a view of around 25 miles from the glass gable end living room window in a quiet part of Scotland which I love. That seems better value to me than paying £500k for some generic Lego brick house in a midlands housing estate or a studio flat in a rougher part of London but hey - each to their own etc.
FWIW, I have around 40,000 miles in high performance RWD cars and probably 300,000 miles altogether in vehicles of above average performance. I have had a clean licence all the while I've had the high performance cars and never had more than one SP30 at a time - which I gained two of in series in my 20s. My only accident was achieved when I was 21 years old, on a back road, driving a slow car too fast.
Quick cars can be driven briskly on public roads with substantial margins for safety on cornering and braking. It's up to the driver to ensure he/she makes suitable provision for other traffic or uncertainties on the road itself. Anyone keeping up in a slow car is pushing their car that much harder, and has a great deal left in their back pocket. I learned that when I was 21. It sounds like you (and to be fair, many others) haven't learned that yet.
Are people seriously this insecure? FWIW, I have around 40,000 miles in high performance RWD cars and probably 300,000 miles altogether in vehicles of above average performance. I have had a clean licence all the while I've had the high performance cars and never had more than one SP30 at a time - which I gained two of in series in my 20s. My only accident was achieved when I was 21 years old, on a back road, driving a slow car too fast.
Quick cars can be driven briskly on public roads with substantial margins for safety on cornering and braking. It's up to the driver to ensure he/she makes suitable provision for other traffic or uncertainties on the road itself. Anyone keeping up in a slow car is pushing their car that much harder, and has a great deal left in their back pocket. I learned that when I was 21. It sounds like you (and to be fair, many others) haven't learned that yet.
Get a grip!
chaz1234 said:
live in a 500k house than paying for a seriously fast car
But if some people would prefer to live in a smaller cheaper house and have a fast car fairplay.
You lost all credibility when you became passive aggressive in this post.But if some people would prefer to live in a smaller cheaper house and have a fast car fairplay.
And for the record, your cars are slow. They're faster than walking, that's for sure, but they're slow. Just accept it. I drive a brisk car, my girlfriend drives a 80hp fiesta (mine is 4x the power). I drive both. Her car is slow, but it's what it's meant to be. Her MPG is far better, but she can't be as opportunistic with overtakes etc and she has the stance of "I love driving your car, it's nice and fast, but the MPG is sore compared to mine." Swings and roundabouts. My car is slow compared to what else you can buy. It's all relative. Your car is probably on the lowest end of the power bracket. My car is probably one or two above, but 1 or 2 brackets above my car makes my car slow. Just look at is as a ladder. Power isn't important to everybody.
But sitting there saying "You drive a fast car, so you obviously live in a cheaper house than me" is not only petty, it's incredibly stupid.
You also said you would be back in a few months, you lasted 2 weeks to the day, then went on trying to justify your posts and generally being a sarcastic git; because you had no real response.
So you own a £500,000 house. But have very little cash in the bank. So you're mortgaged up the eyeballs and cannot afford to 'live' - but as long as the neighbors see your house it's all good? What will you make on that house? In the 9 months I've owned my first house, I've made £80,000 on it. By the time I sell up in 6~ years, that will top £100,000 easily. But as I drive a faster car than you, I must be poor and live in a one bed flat above an off license.
This sounds a bit like a case of "I can't afford a fast car, so I'm going to speak down to anybody that has one." What about people that own a £2,000,000 house and drive a £100,000 car? What's your viewpoint on them?
Edited by Jonno02 on Wednesday 21st September 10:56
This thread started to die off for a bit there then the OP comes back firing shots left, right and centre, now this thread is pure gold I can only begin to imagine what mental problems the OP is wracked with, you sound like a complete delusional loony!
I think we should have a custard test with that £500k house you suddenly have, make the post have a sort of Cribs vibe to it. You could photograph custard in all the rooms of house, explain what the rooms are. Then at the end, we get to the best part, when we get to check out your garage
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