RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review

[petrolinveins]

P-Jay said:

Saw these last weekend, the one on the left you can hardly see looked like an F-Pace to me, but the one in the foreground was similar, but smaller. Maybe one based on an XE?

That's the new range rover couple thingy, based on the same floorpan/platform as the f-pace, supposedly to sit below the range river sport in the ummm... range

[Deangtv]

Oakman said:

I saw preproduction models out testing with a friend who has an Evoque - we both thought it was a curvy version of the Evoque.

Is it a shared platform and basic body sub structure ?

Excuse my ignorance / lack of knowledge related to the development of these.

i believe its neither, I've just purchase a new xf and the dealer informed me it uses more of the new RR sport setup. In person its a lot bigger than an Evoque.

I also believe the forthcoming E-Pace will be based around the Evoque

[je777]

MyCC said:

je777 said:

I'd feel nothing but mockery for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why?
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.

But that viewpoint ignores the fact that SUVs sell and sell in big numbers. The F-Pace will sell like cakes fresh from the oven as looks and badge are hugely important to the aspirational market it is aimed at.

Regards,

MyCC

No, it doesn't. They sell in big numbers because they're big. That's the attraction.
People have to buy new cars because of company deals - as the person above says - they don't have to buy SUVs.
They don't buy SUVs because they're faster, safer, cheaper, more economical, more comfortable - because they're not.
They buy them because they're big - and that gives people a feeling of superiority.

[unpc]

je777 said:

I'd feel nothing but mockery for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why?
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.

Yep, everyone wants a V10 M5 :|

Have you ever thought about a job in marketing?

[je777]

MyCC said:

The F-Pace will sell like cakes fresh from the oven as looks and badge are hugely important to the aspirational market it is aimed at.

Regards,

MyCC

And what is that aspiration? To impress other people.

Says a lot.

Often strangers.

Says more.

Impress them with your car.

Says even more.

That's not someone who is a fan of cars - that's someone with the ego control of a 7 year old.

[je777]

unpc said:

je777 said:

I'd feel nothing but mockery for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why?
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.

Yep, everyone wants a V10 M5 :|

Have you ever thought about a job in marketing?

Just one example: pick any car you like.

Or do what people in marketing tell you to do.

[stuart-b]

langlord said:

Totally agree with the standard of interior comment, at entry spec its very good on the S its below par. Hence our order was cancelled and a macan gts arrives in a month.

Are you going to be driving a plane or a car? Look at that centre console and all those buttons - no thanks!

[RoverP6B]

I'd far rather have the button-laden Macan than a Tesla with everything on a huge iPad. Why did carmakers suddenly decide we didn't need buttons any more? Good for Porsche for resisting.

[modeller]

stuart-b said:

Are you going to be driving a plane or a car? Look at that centre console and all those buttons - no thanks!

quite. It looks far worse from the outside. I can't think of a vehicle with a worse rear end.

[modeller]

RoverP6B said:

I'd far rather have the button-laden Macan than a Tesla with everything on a huge iPad. Why did carmakers suddenly decide we didn't need buttons any more? Good for Porsche for resisting.

I'd just rather have the Tesla, model X P90D please .. ok, it's twice the price :-)

[mfp4073]

Yawn...another one....why would you even want it?

[anonymous-user]

Two have appeared in my village in the last week or so, both driven by yummy-mummies. IMO, very bland to look at, could almost be Korean, and the inside is in no way befitting a £30K car, never mind a £50K car.

No doubt that won't stop them buying them - although I do think it will impact JLR rather more than BMW/Merc/Audi.

F-Type aside, Jag styling is at a very low ebb.

[je777]

RoverP6B said:

I'd far rather have the button-laden Macan than a Tesla with everything on a huge iPad. Why did carmakers suddenly decide we didn't need buttons any more? Good for Porsche for resisting.

And why did they decide that we'd like to feel like we're still at work, with a computer screen to look at?

[W124]

I've driven a few. They ain't that good. Especially with the 2.0d ingenium. Pretty awful really. The XF is very good to drive, and to be in. This thing is just bloated, heavy and nasty. To put the size in perspective - it's a struggle to get one in between the rails of a normal car wash. It's not idiotically big like a RR, Q7 or XC90, but it's not far off and there is no trade off in interior space. You can tell this article is pretty faint with the praise if you read between the lines - as PH was in general with the XE as well.

If you ask me (not that anybody has) - JLR are pushing way beyond the limit of their available box of bits and getting away with it because the cars look so good. you can't blame them - they have no other option really - but the truth is that, as a car, the F-Pace is nowhere near as good as the soon to be replaced Q5. Actually, I suspect Audi will cock up the Q5 replacement, but that's another story.

[Oakman]

I saw preproduction models out testing with a friend who has an Evoque - we both thought it was a curvy version of the Evoque.

Is it a shared platform and basic body sub structure ?

Excuse my ignorance / lack of knowledge related to the development of these.

[RenesisEvo]

stuart-b said:

langlord said:

Totally agree with the standard of interior comment, at entry spec its very good on the S its below par. Hence our order was cancelled and a macan gts arrives in a month.

Are you going to be driving a plane or a car? Look at that centre console and all those buttons - no thanks!

I have driven a Macan and an F-Pace. The F-Pace seemed considerably bigger than the Macan, especially for rear legroom and boot space - it's not Q7 size, but certainly way bigger than the Q5 the Macan is based on. The Porsche as expected was really sharp to drive; I wonder how much off-road ability has been traded to deliver that (to be fair, most people would benefit more from the Macan's road biased set up). The Macan also had nowhere in the centre console to put a phone, or a drink, or sunglasses, for such a big car it really lacked storage. Then there was the price tag. The Jag's interior definitely struggles to feel premium enough at the high end of the range, but it certainly doesn't lack for cutting edge toys. For me, a Porsche SUV is more difficult a concept to swallow than a Jag SUV, perhaps because a sportscar is much further away from an SUV in intent than a saloon/estate.

Deangtv said:

i believe its neither, I've just purchase a new xf and the dealer informed me it uses more of the new RR sport setup. In person its a lot bigger than an Evoque.

I also believe the forthcoming E-Pace will be based around the Evoque

See a post above - the F-Pace uses the aluminium platform of the XE/XF which have longitudinally mounted engines and are generally rear-driven; it shares nothing with Evoque (which has a transverse engine and primarily front driven) and I'd be surprised if it has anything borrowed from a considerably bigger and heavier Range Rover Sport. Worrying that the dealer seems to lack knowledge of his own product.

Edited by RenesisEvo on Tuesday 23 August 19:55

[mk2driver]

F1GTRUeno said:

My dad has a 2.2 Portfolio. It's a wonderful thing.

Really like the panoramic sunroof too, wouldn't have thought to spec it but it came with Portfolio spec and it's the first car I've ever been in that has one.

I will say though, as you'd expect with a brand new car, there are teething issues. Quite a lot of the time the screen refuses to turn on or respond and just freezes. You have to do the ol' turn it off and back on again trick to make it work again.

There is no 2.2 F-Pace, it has the option of the 2.0D, 3.0D or 3.0V6 SC in the UK market

[VetteG]

Has anyone ever taken one off road? It would be interesting to hear how it performs in that situation, or is that a silly question?

G

[Rearwheel]

Nice car! Bring on the heavy depreciation

[CDP]

je777 said:

I'd feel nothing but mockery for anyone who bought that. Fifty grand? Why?
Presumably if you're buying this you have a family.
If you're interested in cars, buy a V10 M5 for half that and have plenty left for any problems it has.
If you're not interested in cars, buy a secondhand Volvo. Or if you are, buy the secondhand Volvo and then buy a sports car to go with it.
Ah, but this is about driving a big car and feeling big.
Good grief, the psychology behind this is laughable.

More likely your company is leasing it...