RE: Audi TT RS: Review
Discussion
Carman2 said:
Still bleating on about Gaymans
They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
A nice follow up to your classic first post CarboyThey don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Carman2 said:
Still bleating on about Gaymans
They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Stunning.They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Leo-RS said:
On a hot summers day perhaps but I live in Scotland where I would say a minimum of 250 of the 365 days in a year the roads are cold/damp or soaking wet. 250 days minimum where you wouldn't dare dream of accelerating hard in 1st or 2nd gear in an M5 with 600hp. After 3 months, an engine failure and then a subsequent gearbox issue on its return, I managed to reject the car. My first rear wheel drive experience was not great.
It's not just about feathering the throttle in a powerful rear wheel drive car, it's the feeling that the electronics aren't giving you the full whack in 1st or 2nd, you can feel the 'hold back'
You will only understand what I mean by being familiar with Audi Quattro, S-Tronic/DSG/PDK launch control and low end traction. Even rolling from 5mph 1st gear, RS6 vs M5, the RS6 would get around a cruise ship length ahead of the M5 before 100% of the M5's power went down onto the tarmac.
As for Cayman vs Golf R, the same applies, the Golf R has tremendous traction and a 5mph side by side on a cold damp Octobers morning and the Golf will be half way down the road before the Cayman has full traction. On a drag strip side by side, the Golf R will post a quicker time 100%, I see it month in month out at my local dragstrip. The Golf R market is saturated in a modified cars, I think it's safe to presume that at least 50% of Golf R's you encounter on the road will be software tuned, majority of these approaching 400hp. Due to the 987 Cayman being N/A, I'd estimate less than 5% of Cayman 987's to be modified to increase power. The new 718 Cayman at least has forced induction so the option for increasing the power is there but something tells me that most 718 Cayman's will remain standard still.
4wd with a dedicated launch control feature in a 1500kg car with 300-400hp are all the ingredients you need to achieve 60 in the 3's, 100's in the 8's and 1/4m times in the 11's. Take out the 4wd from that list of ingredients and the times dip substantially. You may get the odd rwd car launching well with its launch control feature but conditions have to be at optimum, engine over the back and with super sticky tyres and a bit of luck you may achieve 4 out of 10 good launches. Hop into a Golf R though, you'll achieve 10/10 good launches.
Launch control, dragstrip racing, not real world I hear you say? Well the same could be said about Nurburgring lap times or how many G's you can pull in a drift around a blind B road bend.
I agree with you inpart, for what its, worth but if that's the criteria why not buy the RS3?It's not just about feathering the throttle in a powerful rear wheel drive car, it's the feeling that the electronics aren't giving you the full whack in 1st or 2nd, you can feel the 'hold back'
You will only understand what I mean by being familiar with Audi Quattro, S-Tronic/DSG/PDK launch control and low end traction. Even rolling from 5mph 1st gear, RS6 vs M5, the RS6 would get around a cruise ship length ahead of the M5 before 100% of the M5's power went down onto the tarmac.
As for Cayman vs Golf R, the same applies, the Golf R has tremendous traction and a 5mph side by side on a cold damp Octobers morning and the Golf will be half way down the road before the Cayman has full traction. On a drag strip side by side, the Golf R will post a quicker time 100%, I see it month in month out at my local dragstrip. The Golf R market is saturated in a modified cars, I think it's safe to presume that at least 50% of Golf R's you encounter on the road will be software tuned, majority of these approaching 400hp. Due to the 987 Cayman being N/A, I'd estimate less than 5% of Cayman 987's to be modified to increase power. The new 718 Cayman at least has forced induction so the option for increasing the power is there but something tells me that most 718 Cayman's will remain standard still.
4wd with a dedicated launch control feature in a 1500kg car with 300-400hp are all the ingredients you need to achieve 60 in the 3's, 100's in the 8's and 1/4m times in the 11's. Take out the 4wd from that list of ingredients and the times dip substantially. You may get the odd rwd car launching well with its launch control feature but conditions have to be at optimum, engine over the back and with super sticky tyres and a bit of luck you may achieve 4 out of 10 good launches. Hop into a Golf R though, you'll achieve 10/10 good launches.
Launch control, dragstrip racing, not real world I hear you say? Well the same could be said about Nurburgring lap times or how many G's you can pull in a drift around a blind B road bend.
Edited by Leo-RS on Thursday 15th September 09:03
Coupes like this are all about image, now matter how good the TT is it will never get as many man points on piston-heads because of the AWD
Rawwr said:
Carman2 said:
Still bleating on about Gaymans
They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Stunning.They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Dave Hedgehog said:
haldex has improved hugely, especially with the e-diff stuff (its a shame its hidden in the 8P RS3 and you have to turn it on via the ESP button)
i prefer it to just about all of audi's quattro variants up to the RS6 (which spins it wheels easily but that's probably more down to the power lol)
the only variants that where noticeably better IMO in road use where the RS4 with the sports diff option and the R8
Interesting. I wonder if Audi will eventually go with a Haldex-type set-up for all its RS models eventuallyi prefer it to just about all of audi's quattro variants up to the RS6 (which spins it wheels easily but that's probably more down to the power lol)
the only variants that where noticeably better IMO in road use where the RS4 with the sports diff option and the R8
HighwayStar said:
Rawwr said:
Carman2 said:
Still bleating on about Gaymans
They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Stunning.They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Carman2 said:
Still bleating on about Gaymans
They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
Are you actually a tool, or just pretending to be?They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
J4CKO said:
How do "they" manage to spend 50 grand on a car is what amazes me, surely cant be like that in real life ?
PCP, most don't. Then there are those that do and then some... Because they simply have to make it faster still because, why wouldn't you want your care to be even faster? Dehhh!!Terminator X said:
Why would someone buy a TTRS for track work? Never understood this "argument", if I wanted to joust with someone on the track I'd buy a Caterham etc.
TX.
There is a TTRS entered in SLS (super lap Scotland), saw it there at the last event and likely to be there for the final round this Sunday...TX.
I'll try and remember to have a look a look at the comparable lap times against others in the group.
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In terms of oversteer "fun", does anyone actually manage to do this on public roads anyway? How often does the opportunity present itself? Surely this is dangerous on all but completely empty roads in the middle of nowhere where you can see around the bend? I don't have a RWD car but even if i did i'd be worried about losing control and running off the road. But then I guess i'm just an average driver.
I also disagree that the TT is all about image, there's more to car ownership then drifting around corners sideways, i.e being able to tour around europe in "GT" style comfort, a nice cabin for the boring stuff etc etc
I also disagree that the TT is all about image, there's more to car ownership then drifting around corners sideways, i.e being able to tour around europe in "GT" style comfort, a nice cabin for the boring stuff etc etc
caymanbill said:
In terms of oversteer "fun", does anyone actually manage to do this on public roads anyway? How often does the opportunity present itself? Surely this is dangerous on all but completely empty roads in the middle of nowhere where you can see around the bend? I don't have a RWD car but even if i did i'd be worried about losing control and running off the road. But then I guess i'm just an average driver.
I also disagree that the TT is all about image, there's more to car ownership then drifting around corners sideways, i.e being able to tour around europe in "GT" style comfort, a nice cabin for the boring stuff etc etc
Why is it that fans of Quattro presume that people who prefer RWD want to go sideways everywhere and that oversteer is the only sourse of fun?I also disagree that the TT is all about image, there's more to car ownership then drifting around corners sideways, i.e being able to tour around europe in "GT" style comfort, a nice cabin for the boring stuff etc etc
The TT RS is a good car... Fast and effective at cover ground at rapid pass. If that's what you want, how you get your jollies no problem. ALL the reviews highlight the noise, the benefits of the Quattro system, the immense grip and of course it's huge performance but... there's no dodging the fact the majority all say conclude that that for all that it is, the RS is not involving to drive. The steering is the usual Audi numb, detached offering.
As I say, if going as rapidly as possible with no feel or finesse is your bag then great. Don't presume those of us who prefer RWD simply want to oversteer on the public roads and it's the only way to have fun because you are wrong and very naive.
Carman2 said:
Still bleating on about Gaymans
They don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
is it half term holidays yet? Seems a bit early for that i thought but Caman's post begs to differThey don't have the performance in the real world
No traction in the wet
Oversteer no use on public roads
I had 981 and flogged it after 3 months of boredom
TTRS yes blitzing is fun!!!!!!!!it is a sports car NOT for the track
mrc conversion simply incred
HighwayStar said:
Why is it that fans of Quattro presume that people who prefer RWD want to go sideways everywhere and that oversteer is the only sourse of fun?
The TT RS is a good car... Fast and effective at cover ground at rapid pass. If that's what you want, how you get your jollies no problem. ALL the reviews highlight the noise, the benefits of the Quattro system, the immense grip and of course it's huge performance but... there's no dodging the fact the majority all say conclude that that for all that it is, the RS is not involving to drive. The steering is the usual Audi numb, detached offering.
As I say, if going as rapidly as possible with no feel or finesse is your bag then great. Don't presume those of us who prefer RWD simply want to oversteer on the public roads and it's the only way to have fun because you are wrong and very naive.
Accusing me of presumption and then going on to make a number of incorrect assumptions of your own? Dear oh dear. The TT RS is a good car... Fast and effective at cover ground at rapid pass. If that's what you want, how you get your jollies no problem. ALL the reviews highlight the noise, the benefits of the Quattro system, the immense grip and of course it's huge performance but... there's no dodging the fact the majority all say conclude that that for all that it is, the RS is not involving to drive. The steering is the usual Audi numb, detached offering.
As I say, if going as rapidly as possible with no feel or finesse is your bag then great. Don't presume those of us who prefer RWD simply want to oversteer on the public roads and it's the only way to have fun because you are wrong and very naive.
I hope you have a better understanding of irony then you do with my original post, which I suggest you re read. Hopefully this time You'll note that at no point do I presume "people who prefer RWD all want to go sideways everywhere". Nor would I class myself as a" fan of Quattro".
caymanbill said:
HighwayStar said:
Why is it that fans of Quattro presume that people who prefer RWD want to go sideways everywhere and that oversteer is the only sourse of fun?
The TT RS is a good car... Fast and effective at cover ground at rapid pass. If that's what you want, how you get your jollies no problem. ALL the reviews highlight the noise, the benefits of the Quattro system, the immense grip and of course it's huge performance but... there's no dodging the fact the majority all say conclude that that for all that it is, the RS is not involving to drive. The steering is the usual Audi numb, detached offering.
As I say, if going as rapidly as possible with no feel or finesse is your bag then great. Don't presume those of us who prefer RWD simply want to oversteer on the public roads and it's the only way to have fun because you are wrong and very naive.
Accusing me of presumption and then going on to make a number of incorrect assumptions of your own? Dear oh dear. The TT RS is a good car... Fast and effective at cover ground at rapid pass. If that's what you want, how you get your jollies no problem. ALL the reviews highlight the noise, the benefits of the Quattro system, the immense grip and of course it's huge performance but... there's no dodging the fact the majority all say conclude that that for all that it is, the RS is not involving to drive. The steering is the usual Audi numb, detached offering.
As I say, if going as rapidly as possible with no feel or finesse is your bag then great. Don't presume those of us who prefer RWD simply want to oversteer on the public roads and it's the only way to have fun because you are wrong and very naive.
I hope you have a better understanding of irony then you do with my original post, which I suggest you re read. Hopefully this time You'll note that at no point do I presume "people who prefer RWD all want to go sideways everywhere". Nor would I class myself as a" fan of Quattro".
"I also disagree that the TT is all about image, ,there's more to car ownership then drifting around corners sideways, i.e being able to tour around europe in "GT" style comfort, a nice cabin for the boring stuff etc etc"
You're the one bleating on about oversteer and sideways on the roads.
Travelling in style and comfort can be done in a Cayman, the TTS interior is a bit more stylish granted but it's not I'm exactly slumping it.
And note... I've had 3 TT's... a 225 Quattro for 6 yrs, a MK2 TT 2.0l TFSI (boring, had it 4 weeks) & a TTS for 5 years so I'm know what I'm talking about... Twice I looked at the RS, both tests drives just confirmed it nothing more than faster than the TTS with the same numb, disconnected uninvolving drive. The noise it made wasn't going to make up for its lack of driving pleasure.... If simply going fast and hanging on is your bag then of course it's the car for you.
I'll never tell someone they've bought the wrong car if it's what they wanted... I'm just giving my opinion on what's right for me.
You are free to think of it and me what you will and say what you like... I don't care.
You still don't seem to have understood my original post. I wasn't trying gereralise RWD car drivers. It was a genuine question regarding oversteer.
To reiterate, my question was In terms of oversteer "fun", does anyone actually manage to do this on public roads anyway? How often does the opportunity present itself? Surely this is dangerous on all but completely empty roads in the middle of nowhere, from which you can see around the bend?
To reiterate, my question was In terms of oversteer "fun", does anyone actually manage to do this on public roads anyway? How often does the opportunity present itself? Surely this is dangerous on all but completely empty roads in the middle of nowhere, from which you can see around the bend?
Edited by caymanbill on Sunday 18th September 22:19
Edited by caymanbill on Sunday 18th September 22:20
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