RE: Audi TT RS: Review
Discussion
Leo-RS said:
Got it in 1.
95% of the general driving population will never ever visit a race track to exploit a cars handling capabilities. On the roads, trying to push a car to the extremes to induce under/oversteer to heighten enjoyment is a lot more foolish than planting the loud pedal and hitting 3 figures in a straight line.
All this Nurburgring laptime handling understeering nonsense that's spouted by motoring journos really has no relevance to 95% of the driving population.
Audi cars are planted, they may not be the most exciting to drive but for people like me, my excitement comes from speed and acceleration, not drifting or inducing lift off oversteer.
Audi know their market extremely well.
You're right, Audi know their market but i think they will struggle to sell these at over £50k in any significant volumes despite the power and straight line performance. 95% of the general driving population will never ever visit a race track to exploit a cars handling capabilities. On the roads, trying to push a car to the extremes to induce under/oversteer to heighten enjoyment is a lot more foolish than planting the loud pedal and hitting 3 figures in a straight line.
All this Nurburgring laptime handling understeering nonsense that's spouted by motoring journos really has no relevance to 95% of the driving population.
Audi cars are planted, they may not be the most exciting to drive but for people like me, my excitement comes from speed and acceleration, not drifting or inducing lift off oversteer.
Audi know their market extremely well.
Especially as the TTS looks just as good, has the same interior and is still plenty fast enough at a good £20k less.
Some big discounts in 6 months time I would wager.
Leo-RS said:
A bit like comparing a Nokia 3310 to an iphone 7 Dave, both will do the same thing in respects to calling and texting but the iphone 7 will do a lot more and look a lot fresher.
The new digital screens have satnav in the cluster for example so you don't need to look at a separate centre screen. These new digital display dashes are in a lot of todays new supercars, a sign of things to come for all makes and models of cars going forward over the next 10yrs I would say. The benefit they have is that they are software driven and easily customisable and changeable.
the manufacturers like them because they are cheaper than real dials and atm they are a novelty so they can charge a huge premium for what's basically a £40 panel The new digital screens have satnav in the cluster for example so you don't need to look at a separate centre screen. These new digital display dashes are in a lot of todays new supercars, a sign of things to come for all makes and models of cars going forward over the next 10yrs I would say. The benefit they have is that they are software driven and easily customisable and changeable.
i do suspect once the novelty has worn off people will want real dials again, in the same way many people are getting feed up of computer controlled dual clutch super cars that can lap the ring in sub 6 minutes and want proper drivers cars with a manual shift
That's true Dave, I agree.
I suspect we will go full circle especially with the transmissions.
Maldini, I suspect these will have 10% discounts after the first 6-9 months. £52k is a touch on the high side in relation to the price point of the previous TTRS.
This new taxation system that's due to come into place is going to put a dampener on the £40k+ market too with £450 per year tax bands.
I suspect we will go full circle especially with the transmissions.
Maldini, I suspect these will have 10% discounts after the first 6-9 months. £52k is a touch on the high side in relation to the price point of the previous TTRS.
This new taxation system that's due to come into place is going to put a dampener on the £40k+ market too with £450 per year tax bands.
Edited by Leo-RS on Tuesday 13th September 12:44
DM525i said:
Audi don't need to driver feedback as much as their competitors because then it would compete directly with the most profitable arm of their business, Porsche
If that's the way they are working it then the don't deserve to sell their wears. Buy something else.
that's a fair point, VW dont care if you buy the cayman or the titty, just as long as you buy one of them If that's the way they are working it then the don't deserve to sell their wears. Buy something else.
Leo-RS said:
Limpet said:
Like most Audis, it's a lovely "thing" with a very high standard of fit and finish. And it's fast in a straight line, will cover ground incredibly quickly and without drama, and it makes a great noise. That will probably be enough for pretty much everyone who is likely to buy one. I have a sneaking suspicion that the finer points of balance or what it behaves like at nine tenths and above are simply not relevant to most people who buy Audi TTs.
I'd say this is Audi showing that it knows its customers.
Got it in 1.I'd say this is Audi showing that it knows its customers.
95% of the general driving population will never ever visit a race track to exploit a cars handling capabilities. On the roads, trying to push a car to the extremes to induce under/oversteer to heighten enjoyment is a lot more foolish than planting the loud pedal and hitting 3 figures in a straight line.
All this Nurburgring laptime handling understeering nonsense that's spouted by motoring journos really has no relevance to 95% of the driving population.
Audi cars are planted, they may not be the most exciting to drive but for people like me, my excitement comes from speed and acceleration, not drifting or inducing lift off oversteer. I absolutely detested my F10 M5 for example, I gave the rear wheel drive thing a go and I was that pi**ed at its lack of traction from 10/20mph I got rid of it and back into Audi Quattro traction (RS6 C7) after only 3 months.
Audi know their market extremely well I would say. Rumours of the next M5 going X drive too, will surely give the motoring journos something to bump their gums about.
Edited by Leo-RS on Tuesday 13th September 12:26
i think this not being the sharpest tool on track has little relevance to its actual use in the real world, not too many TT's doing the rounds on track.
It will give their customers a nice place to sit, with a sense of style and a lot of poke. A competitive monthly lease cost and Job done, they will sell loads of them.
If i had £50-60K to spend on one car i would buy a Lexus RC-F, but that's just me...
It will give their customers a nice place to sit, with a sense of style and a lot of poke. A competitive monthly lease cost and Job done, they will sell loads of them.
If i had £50-60K to spend on one car i would buy a Lexus RC-F, but that's just me...
DM525i said:
Yet again another fine example of Audi selling a perception of a sports car when really it's just a fast re-bodied humdrum piece of kit. Who in there right minds would buy this over a Porsche or F Type?
It's not a re-bodied anything.... the VAG architecture is scalable, but that doesn't make the TT "re-bodied", it's a a unqiue implementation for the TT, as I understand it.The TT coupe is unique amongst the Cayman / F-Type in that it has back seats, so there are those of us for whom that matters (we have 6yr old, so need the back seats... this is the "family car", LOL!). My wife got her new TTS a few mths ago and I've ended up falling for it more than I ever expected. It's a bloody good sports car (not just "car") and I thoroughly enjoy taking it for a spirited drive (don't tell her, LOL!!).
The RS probably hasn't not got the ultimate chassis balance of the Cayman or M2, but I suspect 99% of the time (i.e. when not on track) that's not even going to matter. The TTS is bloody brilliant on road, I suspect the RS will be another notch on that.... I'd love to try one, maybe convince wifey of an upgrade
Dave Hedgehog said:
the manufacturers like them because they are cheaper than real dials and atm they are a novelty so they can charge a huge premium for what's basically a £40 panel
i do suspect once the novelty has worn off people will want real dials again, in the same way many people are getting feed up of computer controlled dual clutch super cars that can lap the ring in sub 6 minutes and want proper drivers cars with a manual shift
I love the Virtual Cockpit, it's absoletly fab to use i do suspect once the novelty has worn off people will want real dials again, in the same way many people are getting feed up of computer controlled dual clutch super cars that can lap the ring in sub 6 minutes and want proper drivers cars with a manual shift
Like the JLR implementations, I think we'll see more & more of these going forwards.Edited by 356Speedster on Tuesday 13th September 13:00
356Speedster said:
DM525i said:
Yet again another fine example of Audi selling a perception of a sports car when really it's just a fast re-bodied humdrum piece of kit. Who in there right minds would buy this over a Porsche or F Type?
It's not a re-bodied anything.... the VAG architecture is scalable, but that doesn't make the TT "re-bodied", it's a a unqiue implementation for the TT, as I understand it.The TT coupe is unique amongst the Cayman / F-Type in that it has back seats, so there are those of us for whom that matters (we have 6yr old, so need the back seats... this is the "family car", LOL!). My wife got her new TTS a few mths ago and I've ended up falling for it more than I ever expected. It's a bloody good sports car (not just "car") and I thoroughly enjoy taking it for a spirited drive (don't tell her, LOL!!).
The RS probably hasn't not got the ultimate chassis balance of the Cayman or M2, but I suspect 99% of the time (i.e. when not on track) that's not even going to matter. The TTS is bloody brilliant on road, I suspect the RS will be another notch on that.... I'd love to try one, maybe convince wifey of an upgrade
Dave Hedgehog said:
the manufacturers like them because they are cheaper than real dials and atm they are a novelty so they can charge a huge premium for what's basically a £40 panel
i do suspect once the novelty has worn off people will want real dials again, in the same way many people are getting feed up of computer controlled dual clutch super cars that can lap the ring in sub 6 minutes and want proper drivers cars with a manual shift
I love the Virtual Cockpit, it's absoletly fab to use i do suspect once the novelty has worn off people will want real dials again, in the same way many people are getting feed up of computer controlled dual clutch super cars that can lap the ring in sub 6 minutes and want proper drivers cars with a manual shift
Like the JLR implementations, I think we'll see more & more of these going forwards.Edited by 356Speedster on Tuesday 13th September 13:00
We test drove the standard (non TTS cars) and were a little underwhelmed, but the TTS itself as an absolute cracker of a car, with enough room for 2 + 2 dogs (boot) + weekend luggage (back seat).
I find myself more keen to drive that than my V10 RS6
I can imagine the TTRS will be a proper hoot - akin to (and probably faster than) my V8 R8 was, but without the pomp and circumstance and much of the 'drama' that the R8 had - but there's no arguing with the real-world numbers and usability of the TTRS.
The only downside for me is that I'm not 100% comfortable after a 3hr drive (unlike the RS6 / R8) but that's probably a very minor point.
Leo-RS said:
Jam12321 said:
'The interior is, as expected, absolutely glorious, worthy of a car more expensive'
What world do you live in? i have sat in a couple of these and there is plenty of cheap plastic to be found - couple years down the line and the screens in place of the dials will look very old..
You've sat in a new model TTRS? How have you managed to do that considering they were only released to the press on Monday?What world do you live in? i have sat in a couple of these and there is plenty of cheap plastic to be found - couple years down the line and the screens in place of the dials will look very old..
Why will the screens look very old in a couple of years time? They are digital dashes and can be updated through a software update to keep up to date with the times. You mean the screen resolution? The screens in the first TT's released back in 2014 still look very modern today in 2016, same dash being used in the new R8's.
These screens may need an update in about 2022, just the same way the dashes from 2010 could do with an up date today.
On the straights, a 781 Cayman will look like a lethargic hamster next to this TTRS. The 781 looks awful from the rear end, it has no presence, you can tell its the baby in the entire Porsche range and that has always put me off the low end Porsche's. GT4 an exception, they look a lot better. TTRS is far more practical also and wins hands down there too.
Performance - TTRS
Practicality - TTRS
Engine - TTRS
Sound - TTRS
Traction - TTRS
Drifting - Cayman
Fuel Economy - Cayman (Just) 34.9mpg vs 34.4mpg
345hp in 2016/17 just doesn't cut the mustard in a £50k+ performance sports car. The TTRS's power output is just about right at 400hp and will no doubt be pushed up to 420 when the eventual + model is released. I'd be mega pis*ed not being able to keep up with a Golf R in my new 781.
I don't think understeer followed by more understeer cuts the mustard in a £50k sports car.
Edited by Leo-RS on Tuesday 13th September 12:01
Leo-RS said:
That's true Dave, I agree.
I suspect we will go full circle especially with the transmissions.
Maldini, I suspect these will have 10% discounts after the first 6-9 months. £52k is a touch on the high side in relation to the price point of the previous TTRS.
This new taxation system that's due to come into place is going to put a dampener on the £40k+ market too with £450 per year tax bands.
It's £140 anyway so only £310 more per year. Few tanks of fuel I suspect we will go full circle especially with the transmissions.
Maldini, I suspect these will have 10% discounts after the first 6-9 months. £52k is a touch on the high side in relation to the price point of the previous TTRS.
This new taxation system that's due to come into place is going to put a dampener on the £40k+ market too with £450 per year tax bands.
Edited by Leo-RS on Tuesday 13th September 12:44
The £51k starting price + options will be more of an issue imho.TX.
Edit - Audi don't need to or want to sell too many RS's of course.
Edited by Terminator X on Tuesday 13th September 13:46
jayemm89 said:
Porsche911R said:
I don't think any new cars offer the "purity" you talk about, it's all turbos, rear wheel braking into corners and automatics these days, along with EPS !
Lotus are awaiting your customTT never was a sports car, and apparently still isn't. For purity get Lotus, MX5, Caterham. Even a decent Renault.
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