RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost Revo Stage 1: Review
Discussion
Some pathetic comments here about the car not having a V8. As we know, you don't need a V8 to produce epic performance anymore. People get so hung up about it! Also, the difference in fuel economy is not small. Thrash the V8 and you'll be lucky to see 10mpg. Thrash the Ecoboost and you'll still see 20. Round towm you can drive the turbo car sedately and get mid to late 20s. The Ecoboost is the Mustang for the future for sure. We love our Turbos in the UK too, so it fit's in well but stands out as well! I'll consider this upgrade for sure! Also, year old Ecoboosts are still selling for the price of new too, so more bull crap is being spouted in this regard as well!
swerni said:
Have you even driven the ecoboost? It's underwhelming to say the least.
Average performance and no soundtrack to go along with it.
Have you also actually run a V8 ?
I've run a number including a supercharged S197, 2010 Camaro and currently own 3 others.
Across the board I average just shy of 20 mpg. (UK)
Ps driving the ecoboost from LA to a Phoenix a few weeks ago, sedately is for 28 mpg (US), if I'd take the V8 and driven it in the same way I would have for 25mpg, maybe more.
I'm guessing you are in the US! I can understand you guys having difficulty accepting a 4 cylinder Mustang more than us in the UK, but I can't understand how you can call the Ecoboost an average performer. Any car with over 300bhp on tap is far from average! I've never driven an Ecoboost but have watched and read virtually all the reviews and none describe it as you do. On the contrary, they all seem full of praise for the performance. The only gripe they seem to have is that it doesn't sound like a V8. This doesn't bother me, I have no hang ups about it at all. Fords own data has the Ecoboost just one second behind at 100Km/h so not that underwhelming hey? Also, I'd believe all the independent reviews available to watch and read in abundance on the net regarding the Ecoboosts performance over anyone on here for sure! Sorry, but your comments have no substance! I do have a V8 powered TR7 (Rover 3.5 V8 nee Buik) which I was using every day back in the early 90s and before I had to buy a house! 15mpg round town became it's downfall and ended up tucked away in my garage. However, it's currently my project car and will soon hit the road again as a tarmac rally replica! (Check out Tony Pond 1980 Manx Rally) It does sound mega though and for a small car with around 200bhp was pretty quick in it's day! After this I moved on to an MG Montego Turbo, which was also very quick in the day. I still have this too ( about 12 left on the road!) which also has about 200bhp. Ever since, all my cars have been turbos so the Mustang fits the bill! Happy Christmas anyhow! Average performance and no soundtrack to go along with it.
Have you also actually run a V8 ?
I've run a number including a supercharged S197, 2010 Camaro and currently own 3 others.
Across the board I average just shy of 20 mpg. (UK)
Ps driving the ecoboost from LA to a Phoenix a few weeks ago, sedately is for 28 mpg (US), if I'd take the V8 and driven it in the same way I would have for 25mpg, maybe more.
Edited by swerni on Sunday 25th December 07:14
PS what fuel were you running on that trip. I know in the US you have low octane stuff as standard, like 87. This will return poorer performance and fuel economy. Over here our minimum is 95, with the option of getting 97 and 99, which will certainly sharpen performance and economy.
I just cannot understand anyone buying the ecoboost mustang.
Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
Olivera said:
I just cannot understand anyone buying the ecoboost mustang.
Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
But no one would think 'I want an ecoboost, which model should I buy' - they buy the style then buy to budget.Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
I wouldn't want a Focus RS as a) I'd want an auto but most importantly b) I don't want a 5 door hot hatch that pretty much looks like a 2.0tdi.
At least the Mustang is a bit different. Maybe that's why.
Jumturbo said:
swerni said:
Have you even driven the ecoboost? It's underwhelming to say the least.
Average performance and no soundtrack to go along with it.
Have you also actually run a V8 ?
I've run a number including a supercharged S197, 2010 Camaro and currently own 3 others.
Across the board I average just shy of 20 mpg. (UK)
Ps driving the ecoboost from LA to a Phoenix a few weeks ago, sedately is for 28 mpg (US), if I'd take the V8 and driven it in the same way I would have for 25mpg, maybe more.
I'm guessing you are in the US! I can understand you guys having difficulty accepting a 4 cylinder Mustang more than us in the UK, but I can't understand how you can call the Ecoboost an average performer. Any car with over 300bhp on tap is far from average! I've never driven an Ecoboost but have watched and read virtually all the reviews and none describe it as you do. On the contrary, they all seem full of praise for the performance. The only gripe they seem to have is that it doesn't sound like a V8. This doesn't bother me, I have no hang ups about it at all. Fords own data has the Ecoboost just one second behind at 100Km/h so not that underwhelming hey? Also, I'd believe all the independent reviews available to watch and read in abundance on the net regarding the Ecoboosts performance over anyone on here for sure! Sorry, but your comments have no substance! I do have a V8 powered TR7 (Rover 3.5 V8 nee Buik) which I was using every day back in the early 90s and before I had to buy a house! 15mpg round town became it's downfall and ended up tucked away in my garage. However, it's currently my project car and will soon hit the road again as a tarmac rally replica! (Check out Tony Pond 1980 Manx Rally) It does sound mega though and for a small car with around 200bhp was pretty quick in it's day! After this I moved on to an MG Montego Turbo, which was also very quick in the day. I still have this too ( about 12 left on the road!) which also has about 200bhp. Ever since, all my cars have been turbos so the Mustang fits the bill! Happy Christmas anyhow! Average performance and no soundtrack to go along with it.
Have you also actually run a V8 ?
I've run a number including a supercharged S197, 2010 Camaro and currently own 3 others.
Across the board I average just shy of 20 mpg. (UK)
Ps driving the ecoboost from LA to a Phoenix a few weeks ago, sedately is for 28 mpg (US), if I'd take the V8 and driven it in the same way I would have for 25mpg, maybe more.
Edited by swerni on Sunday 25th December 07:14
PS what fuel were you running on that trip. I know in the US you have low octane stuff as standard, like 87. This will return poorer performance and fuel economy. Over here our minimum is 95, with the option of getting 97 and 99, which will certainly sharpen performance and economy.
Olivera said:
I just cannot understand anyone buying the ecoboost mustang.
Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
You could argue that the Mustang is synonymous with the straight 6 too and later V6. Sorry but I won't have to justify anything to anyone! I'm not that sad! The all round performance and running costs of the Ecoboost is all the justice I need for buying. Why do you think I would want to drive a Focus? Anything but a hatchback to be honest! What is substantially upgraded btw?Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
Jumturbo said:
Olivera said:
I just cannot understand anyone buying the ecoboost mustang.
Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
You could argue that the Mustang is synonymous with the straight 6 too and later V6. Sorry but I won't have to justify anything to anyone! I'm not that sad! The all round performance and running costs of the Ecoboost is all the justice I need for buying. Why do you think I would want to drive a Focus? Anything but a hatchback to be honest! What is substantially upgraded btw?Mustang is synonimous with V8. You'd be forever explaining the lack of noise and trying to justify skinflintery.
If you want an ecoboost Ford why not just buy the Focus RS? It at least comes from a long lineage of four cylinder turbocharged cars. Furthermore it has a substantially upgraded ecoboost engine over the unit found in the Mustang.
Ford has considered the engine right down to its materials, designing the cylinder head from an upgraded alloy, and mounting it on a strong head gasket. To reinforce the strength of the engine, the cylinder block has a durable cast-iron lining for maximum protection. The cylinder head and gasket were both created by high-performance automotive engineering company Cosworth."
Olivera said:
"The RS engine’s best feature is a low-inertia, twin-scroll turbocharger with an improved compressor (to boost airflow) and an improved and slightly larger intercooler.
Ford has considered the engine right down to its materials, designing the cylinder head from an upgraded alloy, and mounting it on a strong head gasket. To reinforce the strength of the engine, the cylinder block has a durable cast-iron lining for maximum protection. The cylinder head and gasket were both created by high-performance automotive engineering company Cosworth."
All the reviews I have read also quote the Mustang as having a twin scroll turbo. As far as I am aware the engines are indentical too and it is unlikely Ford would have redesigned it just to gain 35 more horses! Your quote relates to the actual engine. An engine which was intended for Mustang use before the Focus as far as I am aware. I think the RS has gained its extra power from a larger exhaust and intercooler in addition to a remap. These are also the first stages of tuning for the Mustang according to all the articles out there. Ford has considered the engine right down to its materials, designing the cylinder head from an upgraded alloy, and mounting it on a strong head gasket. To reinforce the strength of the engine, the cylinder block has a durable cast-iron lining for maximum protection. The cylinder head and gasket were both created by high-performance automotive engineering company Cosworth."
See link below. This is a good review which compares both cars. The Australians always come up with good reviews! Even after this, I am still enthusiastic about my Ecoboost Mustang! OK, the Focus is quicker, but Ford intended for this to be the case! The sound of the Focus is typical of some of the aftermarket exhausts offered for the Mustang and gives an idea of how your Mustang Ecoboost will sound.
http://www.motoring.com.au/ford-focus-rs-v-mustang...
and here you can read all about the tech stuff for the Mustang engine and drive train
http://www.full-race.com/articles/ecoboost-2-3l-i4...
Edited by Jumturbo on Sunday 25th December 16:22
Jumturbo said:
Edited by Jumturbo on Sunday 25th December 16:22
Olivera said:
Ah, now I know! Thanks. I suspect the cylinder liners and head are purely for reliability sake though, as many owners will no doubt want a remap at some point. The extra 35 horses will come from the bigger turbo housing, bigger intercooler and exhaust in addition to a remap. I think Ford must have it in mind that a lot of Focus RS Owners will be modding and doing track days and stuff. However, as per this original thread, it's easy and cheap to get more power from the standard Mustang unit. However, I'll be running mine standard until I get bored I guess. Certainly the guy in the Australian review I attached seemed to like the Mustang as well.Jumturbo said:
Some pathetic comments here about the car not having a V8. As we know, you don't need a V8 to produce epic performance anymore. People get so hung up about it! Also, the difference in fuel economy is not small. Thrash the V8 and you'll be lucky to see 10mpg. Thrash the Ecoboost and you'll still see 20. Round towm you can drive the turbo car sedately and get mid to late 20s. The Ecoboost is the Mustang for the future for sure. We love our Turbos in the UK too, so it fit's in well but stands out as well! I'll consider this upgrade for sure! Also, year old Ecoboosts are still selling for the price of new too, so more bull crap is being spouted in this regard as well!
doesn't seem to hold its value that well...http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
irocfan said:
I like your style! You've chosen the only car at that sort of price. A 10 month old car that has done over 17000 miles! No wonder it's that price to be honest. I'd pay an extra couple of grand for a car with 2 or 3K on the clock! The rest of the Ecoboosts are £30K plus and some are 2015 models. Most are well into the early 30s. I can also post an extreme example! Ok it's an Auto, but most will want a manualhttp://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
and another that has sold for well over book price!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Prices will come down eventually as they come onto the second hand market I guess, but that's normal ain't it?
swerni said:
I did last time I looked 
It is average performance, it's not the lightest car in the world. Why don't you try driving one then report back.
It's such an exciting car, the most fun I had was seeing how much economy i could eek out of it.
It is probably fair to say my benchmark is probably higher than most therefore distorted, it may feel fast to people used to driving slow cars.
When you bury the throttle it just didn't come close to exciting
You can't really compare the economy from an old TR7 with an even older V8 with modern cars.
For that matter I recon my 4.0 Chimaera probably averages low 20's, not that I've ever bothered calculating it.
Surrey lol! The way you wrote your post made me think you lived in the US. So I guess you were on holiday and rented an Ecoboost. I've seen a review of an American guy on youtube. He went to his local car rental shop and took an Ecoboost for the day. When he first gave it some welly he said the same as you. This car doesn't feel that quick. He was disappointed. Then halfway through the trip he noticed he had it in normal mode. He flicked it into sport mode and was amazed how quick it was! This was a guy who I think had the previous generation V8. Maybe you had yours in normal mode! Having said that, I'm wondering what you mean by average. You've got a Chimaera which are sub 5 sec to 60! I wasn't comparing my old TR7V8 to modern V8s, you asked if I had ever driven a V8 and the answer was yes. It is average performance, it's not the lightest car in the world. Why don't you try driving one then report back.
It's such an exciting car, the most fun I had was seeing how much economy i could eek out of it.
It is probably fair to say my benchmark is probably higher than most therefore distorted, it may feel fast to people used to driving slow cars.
When you bury the throttle it just didn't come close to exciting
You can't really compare the economy from an old TR7 with an even older V8 with modern cars.
For that matter I recon my 4.0 Chimaera probably averages low 20's, not that I've ever bothered calculating it.
swerni said:
I was on business so instead of flying from LA to Phoenix I though it would me more fun to drive a convertible.
If i'm driving a V8 I don't need to search for performance options or have to worry too much what gear I'm in.
That and the noise for me, is what these cars are all about, Saying that, the V8 sounds crap out the factory.
As I said, my frame of reference is also somewhat distorted, the Chim is great fun and I love it, but the performance is very manageable.
The reference to the TR7 was about your expectation on economy. Even my FX50 which weighs over 2 tonne and has a 5.0 V8 averages just shy of 20 mpg, modern V8's are quite economical compared to their older counterparts
The 2.3 Mustang will always be a comprise, seriously, drive both and then let us know which one you fell in love with .
No worries Swerni. I already am in love with the V8 Mustang and I've not even driven one! The place I ordered my Ecoboost from didn't have an Ecoboost demo available. I've seen enough reviews to make my mind up and the price and the fact it's RHD sealed the deal alone. Most of my driving is round town, so I need something I can justify for daily use. I've not seen a bad review yet. The one and only gripe most testers have is the sound. This does not bother me in the least and if it will do 60 in less than 6 seconds it'll do for me. I don't drive like a knob to be honest, but like a bit of power when needed. I can always trade in if it's too slow! I'll try and find that rent a car test and post up. Anyhow, have a good un! If i'm driving a V8 I don't need to search for performance options or have to worry too much what gear I'm in.
That and the noise for me, is what these cars are all about, Saying that, the V8 sounds crap out the factory.
As I said, my frame of reference is also somewhat distorted, the Chim is great fun and I love it, but the performance is very manageable.
The reference to the TR7 was about your expectation on economy. Even my FX50 which weighs over 2 tonne and has a 5.0 V8 averages just shy of 20 mpg, modern V8's are quite economical compared to their older counterparts
The 2.3 Mustang will always be a comprise, seriously, drive both and then let us know which one you fell in love with .
Incidentally, was that Ecoboost you drove an Auto. The convertible auto will certainly be the slowest. Especially in normal mode as well! Probably over 7 secs to 60! I've gone for the manual fastback and am confident it will be quick!
Edited by Jumturbo on Sunday 25th December 23:19
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