RE: Honda Civic Type R (EK9): PH Heroes
Discussion
dollyboy said:
I'd love to own an R26.R, if only the prices were a bit closer to a normal R26. I don't think I could justify the paying the prices they're going for, not when you can get a nice E90 M3 for the same money.
I'll have to take a look at the EK9's some more I think, I'm considering getting something basic and fun, probably 90's so it's fairly cheap, to use for weekend blasts and a few trackdays. Was considering a DC2, so maybe I should be looking at the EK9 Type R as well. Not sure whether to go rwd though.
The main article in the new "Modern Classics" mag that came out last week is all about 'modern investibles' - they've got a line-up of 10 cars, BMW 1M Coupe, R26R, Lupo Gti, Mini JCW GP, Alfa Brera Prodrive, V12 Vantage, TVR T350, Mk3 Mr2, some old Saab 9-5 ....and an Integra DC2I'll have to take a look at the EK9's some more I think, I'm considering getting something basic and fun, probably 90's so it's fairly cheap, to use for weekend blasts and a few trackdays. Was considering a DC2, so maybe I should be looking at the EK9 Type R as well. Not sure whether to go rwd though.
See if you can guess which one they picked after trying them all as their tip for a fun to drive car to buy now
Escy said:
I bought one in 2012 from Ireland. At the time, Ireland was the cheapest place you could buy them, probably still is. It cost me £3000 including getting it to the UK. I ended up breaking it for parts very soon after buying it which was a shame. It was great fun.
why would you break such a rare/sought after car? the only reason i can think of is that you crashed it.FN2TypeR said:
Composite Guru said:
Pity Honda didn't stick to this philosophy on the new generation Type R's they sell here.
They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Do you think a back to basics motor would sell better than the current crop of hot hatches? It might appeal to a few petrol heads but the audience for such a car is incredibly limited these days.They seem to have thrown everything out of the window since the EP3 and just turned it into a fast Repmobile with all the toys.
Sad times Honda, you really screwed up here!!
Sadly!
Despite having it's devoted fans, consider the overwhelming reaction on every thread discussing the GT86- namely 'not enough power'. Despite that not being what the car is about.
I suspect if Honda tried to sell an NA hot-hatch along the same lines today the reaction would be similar, or worse. It would get overlooked by a lot of the market for being underpowered and having insufficient torque, no heated seats or navigation etc. It would certainly have it's devoted following, but it simply wouldn't sell in anywhere near enough numbers to make it viable.
And lets not forget, these older Type Rs were purpose-built from the ground up and were very different cars to their lesser models; seam-welded, thinner glass, blue-printed engines, lsd, extra bulk-heads (in the case of the ATR), double wishbone suspension etc.
All very costly to do, and most of those features would mean very little to a large portion of the current Type R target market- I suspect many people now consider the Type R name a trim level, rather than standing for a purpose built, hardcore track-focused special as it used to.
Sadly it is peak BHP/torque figures & 0-60 times that seem to sell hot-hatches these days.
I took a punt on it, cost me £2400 for the car. It was a bit rough around the edges like you'd expect. It had a large MOT fail list, struggled to get the correct parts for it, my insurance company said they'd cover it on Irish plates while it was getting re-registered then changed their mind after a week. I got a bit frustrated by it all and I worked out how much it was going to cost to do everything and what it would break for and took the decision to break it. Shame as the shell was rust free and straight.
TheJimi said:
Yazza54 said:
Never driven a EK9, would like to. Have got the B16Bs bigger brother, the B18C type R engine in my GTM Libra, it has to be one of the best sounding 4 cylinder engines ever made.
Wait, what?!
Get over to Readers Cars, start a thread. Now.
Go!
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Thanks s m - brought a lump to my throat reading that again...made me realise how much I still miss my old one. 
(My FD2 is in empirical terms much better than the DC2, and it's unequivocally faster/harder/stiffer/more responsive. But it's lost a little soul in the translation vs the DC2, at least for me. And a little feedback/engagement, like all post-2000 machinery. Unfortunately I need 4 doors...and the garage already has an occupant that's not leaving...)
(My FD2 is in empirical terms much better than the DC2, and it's unequivocally faster/harder/stiffer/more responsive. But it's lost a little soul in the translation vs the DC2, at least for me. And a little feedback/engagement, like all post-2000 machinery. Unfortunately I need 4 doors...and the garage already has an occupant that's not leaving...)
s m said:
dollyboy said:
I'd love to own an R26.R, if only the prices were a bit closer to a normal R26. I don't think I could justify the paying the prices they're going for, not when you can get a nice E90 M3 for the same money.
I'll have to take a look at the EK9's some more I think, I'm considering getting something basic and fun, probably 90's so it's fairly cheap, to use for weekend blasts and a few trackdays. Was considering a DC2, so maybe I should be looking at the EK9 Type R as well. Not sure whether to go rwd though.
The main article in the new "Modern Classics" mag that came out last week is all about 'modern investibles' - they've got a line-up of 10 cars, BMW 1M Coupe, R26R, Lupo Gti, Mini JCW GP, Alfa Brera Prodrive, V12 Vantage, TVR T350, Mk3 Mr2, some old Saab 9-5 ....and an Integra DC2I'll have to take a look at the EK9's some more I think, I'm considering getting something basic and fun, probably 90's so it's fairly cheap, to use for weekend blasts and a few trackdays. Was considering a DC2, so maybe I should be looking at the EK9 Type R as well. Not sure whether to go rwd though.
See if you can guess which one they picked after trying them all as their tip for a fun to drive car to buy now
dollyboy said:
Thanks for the heads up, I've got the first few issues of Modern Classics and it's great, but forgot to buy the last few issues, off to order them now, and possibly a subscription.
My ATR was featured in the group test with the Volvo and Alfa in that magazine, just a heads up 
[quote=Escy]I took a punt on it, cost me £2400 for the car. It was a bit rough around the edges like you'd expect.
Shame you couldn't have stored the Ek9 a few months and tripled your money without breaking it. The Nsx type R was the ultimate but only 2 in UK. The new Nsx is a disappointment for me not moving the game on since the Nissan Gtr. Would prefer all type r's of yesteryear, an fd2, and save 50K over a new Nsx. Sad to say.
Maybe we should see how many would buy a stripped out modern DC2. Count me in at circa £15K like the ep3 cost.
Shame you couldn't have stored the Ek9 a few months and tripled your money without breaking it. The Nsx type R was the ultimate but only 2 in UK. The new Nsx is a disappointment for me not moving the game on since the Nissan Gtr. Would prefer all type r's of yesteryear, an fd2, and save 50K over a new Nsx. Sad to say.
Maybe we should see how many would buy a stripped out modern DC2. Count me in at circa £15K like the ep3 cost.
The market wasn't that strong, you could get them for sub 4k easily at that point, by the time I worked out what it was going to cost to sort out it didn't make sense (needed the correct headlights, front bumper painting, 3rd gear synchro, a couple of ball joints, some original EK9 suspension/coilovers). It just didn't stack up at the time, it was worth more as parts. I'd like another as I feel I have unfinished business but 6k gets you much more car elsewhere.
Loving the above EK9 with TE37's.
Only caveat with these is that I have the very subjective impression that if you ever crash in one, it will fold together and squish you inside of it.
My main reason for me not to buy any car older than say ten years, I want decent crash protection, this seems to get overlooked again and again or do enthusiast drivers never mane mistakes?
And why I bought a (now modified) GT86, not too bad either but would have preffered something finished from the start (esp. the DC2):
http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/gt-86/14125/toyota-gt8...
Only caveat with these is that I have the very subjective impression that if you ever crash in one, it will fold together and squish you inside of it.
My main reason for me not to buy any car older than say ten years, I want decent crash protection, this seems to get overlooked again and again or do enthusiast drivers never mane mistakes?
And why I bought a (now modified) GT86, not too bad either but would have preffered something finished from the start (esp. the DC2):
http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/gt-86/14125/toyota-gt8...
Onehp said:
Only caveat with these is that I have the very subjective impression that if you ever crash in one, it will fold together and squish you inside of it.
My main reason for me not to buy any car older than say ten years, I want decent crash protection, this seems to get overlooked again and again or do enthusiast drivers never mane mistakes?
This, to a certain degree, is why I bought the comparatively more modern DC5. I've never seen crash footage mind you.My main reason for me not to buy any car older than say ten years, I want decent crash protection, this seems to get overlooked again and again or do enthusiast drivers never mane mistakes?
Pic, for clarity.
phss-topcats-racing-august-2016-9 by Adam Lister, on Flickr
185bhp from a N/A 1.6. That is impressive. I'm not a massive fan of the looks. From that era of Hondas, I prefered the previous gen Civic. Thought it was slightly sleeker.
I owned a FN2 Type R (Spaceship) for 8 months. Engine was simply amazing and certainly the most fun car I have owned. However, it was cripplingly uncomfortable.
I owned a FN2 Type R (Spaceship) for 8 months. Engine was simply amazing and certainly the most fun car I have owned. However, it was cripplingly uncomfortable.
Onehp said:
Loving the above EK9 with TE37's.
Only caveat with these is that I have the very subjective impression that if you ever crash in one, it will fold together and squish you inside of it.
My main reason for me not to buy any car older than say ten years, I want decent crash protection, this seems to get overlooked again and again or do enthusiast drivers never mane mistakes?
And why I bought a (now modified) GT86, not too bad either but would have preffered something finished from the start (esp. the DC2):
http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/gt-86/14125/toyota-gt8...
Yep something very often overlooked in these modern classics, still fast enough to get you in trouble but not really strong enough to take the punishment in a crash. A friend of mine died in a not very high speed accident in a Renault 5 Turbo many years ago because the car is essentially made from fag paper. Only caveat with these is that I have the very subjective impression that if you ever crash in one, it will fold together and squish you inside of it.
My main reason for me not to buy any car older than say ten years, I want decent crash protection, this seems to get overlooked again and again or do enthusiast drivers never mane mistakes?
And why I bought a (now modified) GT86, not too bad either but would have preffered something finished from the start (esp. the DC2):
http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/gt-86/14125/toyota-gt8...
More recently another friend was lucky to only escape with some broken bones and a few scrapes and bruises when he got side swiped in a 205 GTi. When I saw pictures of the car afterwards, I called him the luckiest SOB on earth for coming out alive as the car was a total mess. It's certainly something that preys on my mind whenever I get the hankering for a modern classic toy.
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