Is this a thing now? (always on indicators)

[Quickmoose]

I guess the difference is that the pedantic kill joys so far identifiable in this thread, were they to crash their car, by virtue of some sub standard scene based addition, or forget to follow their precious laws on one or two occasions, would be properly insured and able to be traced by the Police and answer for their crimes....
Whereas the "mind your own business mate" crowd, who are just harmless enthusiasts after all, following the cool crowd, but down their own path....might not be.

Someone wanting to enjoy their car legally, not an enthusiast? No I think you'll find there are many, many car owners of this type who revel in OEM.


When I were a lad, when I was cool and unique, following the other cool unique enthusiasts, before I could afford black tint spray I used to stick strips of black tape over my reverse and indicator lamps...from a distance they looked less white and orange and I was happy. Then I saved up and got some spray tint and became happier still. Despite the fact the operational efficiency of the bulbs was halved... and dangerous... Imagine the ridicule I'd have been subjected to, if the internet had been invented back then...

You can't legislate for youth and stupidity I'm afraid.
Decades on I'm all for safe and fit for purpose vehicles, personalised in line with my very own specific set of preferences. Nothing can be changed by an internet thread.

The permacator seems to have been accepted in the States so you'd assume it is not detrimental to road safety.
Mind you if an overly tinted front window'd, permacator'd, non-numberplate'd motorist damaged anyone/anything to do with my family by virtue of his preferences and scene, insurance questions would be the least of their worries, and being understanding of their youthful expression would be the least of mine.

[Jaguar steve]

tomjol said:

TooMany2cvs said:

hondansx said:

Jaguar steve said:

Whats wrong with that attitude is not actually the missing plate but the general fkuc the law mindset that permits it. That self centered attitude affects everybody else so yes, it's very much everybody else's business.

If you deliberately choose to not display a front number plate or deliberately tint windows beyond legality then either you're entirely ignorant of the law or breathtakingly arrogant in assuming the law doesn't apply to you. And for what exactly? ...

Ignorance and arrogance. Nothing appealing about either. Nor is there anything remotely appealing about strutting about like a self important Cockwhisk telling everybody else to mind their own business when by your own admission it's clearly you that's out of order.

Your opinion is just that - an opinion.

No, it really isn't. It seems much more like a basic statement of fact.

Seems much more like a load of unnecessary hyperbole to me. Breathtakingly arrogant? Seriously?

I assume, Mr Jaguar Steve, that you follow every single law of the land down to the letter?

I make an effort to exactly that because I place value on the advantages of doing so. Not for any sense of smug moral superiority but rather I'm of the mind that the law protects the common good of everybody and only the excessively stupid or terminally self centered willfully ignore it. I don't always agree with it but nevertheless show it the respect it deserves because it's just a fact if you pay the law the attention it requires it'll work for you and not against you.

I'd quite willingly break the law for a genuinely worthwhile cause such as stealing food for a starving child or medicine for somebody in real need or to prevent anybody coming to serious harm, but really? Just to conform with whatever the latest fad mouth breathers and the hard of thinking have adopted to identify themselves to each other?

Nah. Not me, thanks.

[GC8]

Anyone who sees a bit of orange light and pulls out is a bell-end and a liability to other road users.

Crashing them off the road might be for the better.

[Daston]

HD Adam said:

Here we go. Another tt concerned about what someone else is doing.

You don't know me mate so I suggest you mind your own business as well.

Run along now.

Guess your the type to ignore someone being raped or mugged because "hey at least it aint me"

[PorkInsider]

Daston said:

HD Adam said:

Here we go. Another tt concerned about what someone else is doing.

You don't know me mate so I suggest you mind your own business as well.

Run along now.

Guess your the type to ignore someone being raped or mugged because "hey at least it aint me"

Yes, it's an interesting one isn't it.

It's all very well telling people to mind their own business, but where does that end?

Minding one's own business when it's only some dodgy indicators or a missing plate isn't so bad as it's hardly likely to harm anyone.

What about if someone sees another scrote nicking your wheels? Should they mind their own business too?

[cj2013]

Would be much more effective (and easier) to concentrate on controlling people who don't use indicators correctly at all, including:

- Not using them
- Leaving them on forever indicating left (or right)
- Incorrectly indicating and taking a course of action that is the polar opposite of their indication

[kambites]

I don't think I've ever seen it in the UK (although if I had I'd just assume the car was broken) and it sounds likely to be illegal but as long as it's genuinely dim enough not to cause confusion with the indicators, I don't really see the harm. I've driven in countries where it's common and never been confused by it.

I'd rather people were driving around with their indicators stuck on dimly than on tyres stretched onto rims two inches wider than they've been tested for.

[HD Adam]

Daston said:

HD Adam said:

Here we go. Another tt concerned about what someone else is doing.

You don't know me mate so I suggest you mind your own business as well.

Run along now.

Guess your the type to ignore someone being raped or mugged because "hey at least it aint me"

Ok, seeing as you are questioning my character as you already seemed to have divined "my type" I'll answer.

In a word, no. If I saw someone being raped or mugged, I would step in.

There's degrees of "should I give a fk or not" all round.

Do you need more examples?

If I saw a car being stolen or a house being broken into, I would call 999.

Same for seeing a murder or if my freindly Jihaddi neigbour asked me to give him a hand with some soldering on his back pack.

You know, serious stuff that's important.

Now, unlike many of you on here in this thread, I'm not a curtain twitcher.
Shall I link to threads asking "there's a car in my space and I can't find it on askmid, shall I call the council or Crimestoppers?"
That makes you a weirdo IMO.

Tinted windows & misspaced plates don't bother me. Or loud exhausts.
Nor does people not picking up dogst or whether cyclists stop at red lights. People wearing Polite batternburg hi vis on a horse is not my concern.
I don't care if you drive at 75mph on the motorway but I do care if you drive at 75mph past the local infant school.

That's because I'm an adult who can make rational choices and can manage to keep my nose out of what everyone else is doing.

[Quickmoose]

I was with you right up until the dog poo.
If all dog owners suddenly stopped the practice of cleaning up after their pooch I'm pretty confident you'd give a st quite quickly...

[Potatoes]

Saw what you did there

[MuscleSaloon]

ka90 said:

My Honda MSX125 has the indicators on permanently, and like the OPs example, only turn into conventional indicators when actuated. It's scary the number of times I've had drivers almost pull out on me because they thought I was indicating to turn into the junction. I also blew one of my indicator bulbs once, so only one stalk was illuminated on the left side, again, very dangerous. Sketchy ride to pickup a bulb. I don't like it at all.

I had spotted MSX's with the amber front lights on and had guessed it was a scene thing - but maybe not then. Coincidentally I had a lad this afternoon on an MSX pass me at some lights with the ambers on. A mile or so further into town he had been put on his backside at a junction from what looked like an old dear pulling out on him. Bad enough on a bike at the best of times .. you would have to be nuts to ride anything with ambers lit up all the time at the front.

There must have been some legislation changes as previously no vehicle should have anything other than a white light showing to the front.

Spotted an old Vectra this morning with the front indicators lit up. First time I had noticed it as a scene thing on a car.

[SuperchargedVR6]

jonwm said:

Its quite an "in" mod on the VW, Seat front at the moment, its easily changed in VCDS setting, just as easy as setting rear DRL to be illuminated all the time but that never seems the get ticked.

I like that

I'm not interested in doing it to my own Golf, but I didn't know it was as easy as a VAG-COM tweak!

I've seen many fads come and go in the VW scene:

US spec rear bumpers for the smaller number plate recess.
German spec pressed steel number plates.
Roof racks with 'fake' luggage.
Rat look.
Slammed.
Slammed + tonnes of negative camber.
Slammed + tonnes of negative camber + 9J rims with 205 section tyres stretched over them.
DTM tailpipes.
Debadging.
Whacky flip flop paint jobs.
Lay flat rear wipers.
Shortened Bee Sting aerials.
13" wheels.
Etc

But indicators on permanently is a new one on me!

I drove past an R32 cruising at 60mph on a local DC the other day with fogs converted to DRLs, darkened headlights, permacators, no front number plate, the lot. Didn't offend me at all tbh. It's not my cup of tea, but the guy clearly took pride in his car as it was mint. Nothing wrong with having a hobby. I'm sure if the five O had an issue with his car's appearance, he'd get pulled for it.

He could have been a far worse stereo type and doing burnouts in carparks and 80mph through town centers.

[HD Adam]

Quickmoose said:

I was with you right up until the dog poo.
If all dog owners suddenly stopped the practice of cleaning up after their pooch I'm pretty confident you'd give a st quite quickly...

Didn't used to happen. There were white dog turds everywhere.

We still lived.

I'm not a dog owner and a turd free pavement is nice but in the grand scheme of things, it's not that important to me although I'm sure there's plenty of stealth ninja curtain twitchers hiding in the bushes ready to call the dog warden.

[kambites]

HD Adam said:

I'm not a dog owner and a turd free pavement is nice but in the grand scheme of things, it's not that important to me although I'm sure there's plenty of stealth ninja curtain twitchers hiding in the bushes ready to call the dog warden.

I'm guessing you don't have children? It didn't particularly used to bother me until I did.

[SonicShadow]

+25 scene points.

[Cold]

Don't some models of the LR Discovery do this straight out of the box too?

[TooMany2cvs]

HD Adam said:

There's degrees of "should I give a fk or not" all round.

Would you give a toss if a car had NO plates on it at all?

Or is it just 50% of the legally required plates that are actually needed?

[HD Adam]

I have children, grown up now.

Not sure how this turned into a dog egg discussion but it's low on my priority scale.

My point was I've seen dog walkers being chased down the road being haruanged by somebody waving a plastic bag.

In my mind, these will be the same kind of people who see themselves as the keeper of the nations morals and laws and I have no doubt they they are the same people who worry about cars with foreign plates, funny indicators, number plate fonts, stretched tyres or anything else "scene".
Almost certainly the kind to fret about people with Blue badges who seem able bodied to them and generally try to get involved with things that shouldn't concern them at all.

[kambites]

HD Adam said:

Not sure how this turned into a dog egg discussion but it's low on my priority scale.

As long as you accept that it may be high on someone else's scale, that's fine.

[vrod]

Gareth79 said:

vrod said:

Read with interest, as I'm guilty!

A different MOT tester did my American car a few weeks ago and after pondering a while 'looked up' the front light requirements as I only have headlights and orange indicator lenses. With no lights the front indicators are off, and flash accordingly. When on sidelights the indicators are dim, then flash bright accordingly.

He found a test section that states its legal provided it was housed in an orange lens, so there is no option to change the configuration. Obviously mine is an American import designed as such rather than some 'trend', but I would imagine with modern LED lighting and making it configurable for UK, USA markets is a way of manufacturers standardising their design, albeit now allowing people to configure them how they want. I also had 'white' indicators on an old 1938 hot rod that were 'legal' due to its age.

I think they were being charitable - the wording is
"e. shows a light other than red to the rear and white to the front (or yellow if a front position lamp is incorporated in a yellow headlamp)"

The problem is it's incorporated into the indicator, not the headlamp, and it needs to be yellow (ie. a French headlamp) not amber.

I had a 1992 Caprice that had dual-filament amber bulbs in the same way, but it had blanked out unused side lights (presumably for certain states or Canada) so I drilled them out and fitted a lampholder. Another option would be to drill out the headlight and fit a small clip-in 5W lampholder.

The rears are OK, as the wiring changes the reversing lamps to indicators with amber lamps fitted.

I have thought about drilling and putting in small LED side lamps, leaving the amber lenses as indicators only. If I find they are less charitable in the future its an option I'll have to take.