RE: Lotus Evora Sport 410: Review
Discussion
kambites said:
I suppose what you call it is rather irrelevant but I don't think most people in the market for a new 911/Evora/whatever will justify £20k for a deposit.
I agree.When I was looking at a Cayman GTS the finance package was much better than the Lotus one, deposit was circa £8k and payments were IIRC around £700 per month. Leases were cheaper again.
Yup, think Lotus is missing a big trick here, seeing that the residual values are so good.
Leaving the lofty heights of potential Evora ownership for a second. At least in LHD land, the depreciation of a boggo Elise is less than that on a MX5 ND. Despite costing almost twice to own outright.
Should be possible for Lotus to rent them out for ~ €300 / month with a small down payment and still make a good profit. Guess especially younger buyers would find that a lot more doable than saving and then spending €40k on a car.
Doesn't make sense of course if they run the factory at capacity and can use the slots for higher margin cars
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Leaving the lofty heights of potential Evora ownership for a second. At least in LHD land, the depreciation of a boggo Elise is less than that on a MX5 ND. Despite costing almost twice to own outright.
Should be possible for Lotus to rent them out for ~ €300 / month with a small down payment and still make a good profit. Guess especially younger buyers would find that a lot more doable than saving and then spending €40k on a car.
Doesn't make sense of course if they run the factory at capacity and can use the slots for higher margin cars
.I think Lotus are doing well, I like the brand and actually think their pretty well thought of by non car and car loving types alike. I felt in the past that they had the basis of what could have been a solid lineup but that they missed opportunities to improve things or made downright bizarre choices like downsizing the base Elise engine. It seems now that they have a good range and a solid engine lineup with decent power outputs (often an area they fell a bit short).
Hopefully they can build up a good base from here, i'd have no issue buying an Evora while lotus residuals in the first 3 years are much the same as everybody else's, their longer term residuals are pretty solid
Hopefully they can build up a good base from here, i'd have no issue buying an Evora while lotus residuals in the first 3 years are much the same as everybody else's, their longer term residuals are pretty solid
cypriot said:
An interesting fact I read in one of the other reviews of the 410 is that one would have to get a Porsche Turbo to get a faster Porsche than the 410. this puts its value proposition into perspective i think.
No you wouldn't a C2S is as quick as this, Turbo is in another league. Wills2 said:
cypriot said:
An interesting fact I read in one of the other reviews of the 410 is that one would have to get a Porsche Turbo to get a faster Porsche than the 410. this puts its value proposition into perspective i think.
No you wouldn't a C2S is as quick as this, Turbo is in another league. Wills2 said:
cypriot said:
An interesting fact I read in one of the other reviews of the 410 is that one would have to get a Porsche Turbo to get a faster Porsche than the 410. this puts its value proposition into perspective i think.
No you wouldn't a C2S is as quick as this, Turbo is in another league. 0-60 Porsche 4.2 secs Evora 410 4.0 seconds
top speed Porsche 182mph Evora 410 190 mph
so according to the makers of both, the Evora is quicker and 7k cheaper, the manual 911 is even slower and still more expensive. If I want to add bucket seats to the 911 like the Evora has, then that's another £2.6k
To go faster you need a 4S pdk which starts at £93k.
Evora looks like a good price on that basis, the standard Evora 400 is quicker than the C2S pdk sports plus too.
Edited by blueg33 on Sunday 6th November 13:40
blueg33 said:
A C2S even with Sports plus and PDK is slower than the Evora 410, The Porsche costs £89,661 (I only added pdk and sports chrono in the configurator)
0-60 Porsche 4.2 secs Evora 410 4.0 seconds
top speed Porsche 182mph Evora 410 190 mph
so according to the makers of both, the Evora is quicker and 7k cheaper, the manual 911 is even slower and still more expensive. If I want to add bucket seats to the 911 like the Evora has, then that's another £2.6k
To go faster you need a 4S pdk which starts at £93k.
Evora looks like a good price on that basis, the standard Evora 400 is quicker than the C2S pdk sports plus too.
You're dealing with the Porsche reality-distortion field here. Mere numbers don't do the cars justice 0-60 Porsche 4.2 secs Evora 410 4.0 seconds
top speed Porsche 182mph Evora 410 190 mph
so according to the makers of both, the Evora is quicker and 7k cheaper, the manual 911 is even slower and still more expensive. If I want to add bucket seats to the 911 like the Evora has, then that's another £2.6k
To go faster you need a 4S pdk which starts at £93k.
Evora looks like a good price on that basis, the standard Evora 400 is quicker than the C2S pdk sports plus too.
Edited by blueg33 on Sunday 6th November 13:40
I recently did a video comparing the Cayman GT4 with the regular 400, it will be up next week but I'm not allowed to post the link here.
Suffice it to say, they were as close in driving experience as they are on paper, something I did not expect.
I am a previous Porsche owner and fan, and a current Lotus owner and fan. The reality is that both cars are so close, the decision is probably going to be made based on anything other than what they're actually like to drive. I think many people would not allow their prejudices to allow them to like both, but they are genuinely two superb drivers cars.
Seriously, if you like the drive of a GT4 you'd like the Evora and vice versa. They're each within like 5% of each other in most areas that count. Even on the interior you could say the Porsches interior is higher quality, but the Lotus feels more bespoke - the GT4 looks like basically any current gen Porker (amazing 918 seats aside).
Suffice it to say, they were as close in driving experience as they are on paper, something I did not expect.
I am a previous Porsche owner and fan, and a current Lotus owner and fan. The reality is that both cars are so close, the decision is probably going to be made based on anything other than what they're actually like to drive. I think many people would not allow their prejudices to allow them to like both, but they are genuinely two superb drivers cars.
Seriously, if you like the drive of a GT4 you'd like the Evora and vice versa. They're each within like 5% of each other in most areas that count. Even on the interior you could say the Porsches interior is higher quality, but the Lotus feels more bespoke - the GT4 looks like basically any current gen Porker (amazing 918 seats aside).
blueg33 said:
A C2S even with Sports plus and PDK is slower than the Evora 410, The Porsche costs £89,661 (I only added pdk and sports chrono in the configurator)
0-60 Porsche 4.2 secs Evora 410 4.0 seconds
top speed Porsche 182mph Evora 410 190 mph
Um Porsche uk site says 3.9s 0-60 for Carrera S PDK with sport plus, top speed 190mph.0-60 Porsche 4.2 secs Evora 410 4.0 seconds
top speed Porsche 182mph Evora 410 190 mph
Olivera said:
blueg33 said:
A C2S even with Sports plus and PDK is slower than the Evora 410, The Porsche costs £89,661 (I only added pdk and sports chrono in the configurator)
0-60 Porsche 4.2 secs Evora 410 4.0 seconds
top speed Porsche 182mph Evora 410 190 mph
Um Porsche uk site says 3.9s 0-60 for Carrera S PDK with sport plus, top speed 190mph.0-60 Porsche 4.2 secs Evora 410 4.0 seconds
top speed Porsche 182mph Evora 410 190 mph
For me though, the like for like comparison is the manual car which is slower at 4.3. The PDK is a really good box for quick changes!
Olivera said:
Um Porsche uk site says 3.9s 0-60 for Carrera S PDK with sport plus, top speed 190mph.
Maybe the difference between 0-60mph and 0-100kph?Lotus seem to claim 3.9 for 0-60 for this which is believable given how close their power to weight ratios and weight distributions are.
Cold said:
Thing is, such number dissection only works in the pub and anyone who insists on going down that route isn't someone you'd have a pint with anyway.
This. There's supposed to be nearly a second between my Evora and my M3. I'd be damned if I can really tell. It's the mid-range where you feel the difference, not full throttle standing starts... of which I've probably done very few in my lifeGassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff