RE: Drifting modes are pointless: Tell Me I'm Wrong
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It's a load of s
te, especially in a big saloon like an AMG.
The only time that button will ever get pressed is when some (probably young) tosser with an audience of losers with camera phones has a "watch this" moment and crashes into road side furniture to a Hampden roar from behind the camera.
te, especially in a big saloon like an AMG.The only time that button will ever get pressed is when some (probably young) tosser with an audience of losers with camera phones has a "watch this" moment and crashes into road side furniture to a Hampden roar from behind the camera.
Some Gump said:
Drifting is utter wk. Always has been. The idea of a drift mode is even wkier.
Now ice racing, rallying, rallycross, or old school tin top racing (which all involve large elements of sideways) are awesome. A sideways car should be the byproduct of speed, not the aim. Any chump can chuck a car sidweays slowly.
I cant say I hate drifting but that is a very good point, it is kind of the modern way, instant gratification and unlimited amounts of whatever it is you seek, I remember watching the 80s Touring cars and the main thrill was watching them lay rubber for 20 yards as they joined hangar straight, it didnt always happen so it was all the more exciting when it did.k. Always has been. The idea of a drift mode is even wkier.Now ice racing, rallying, rallycross, or old school tin top racing (which all involve large elements of sideways) are awesome. A sideways car should be the byproduct of speed, not the aim. Any chump can chuck a car sidweays slowly.
I don't get why people are seemingly so irritable on here... about ANYTHING!
The drift mode is a gimmick to demonstrate (and justify the investment in) what the AWD system will do. There is the marketing link between those Gymkhana videos, and i'm sure the association is great for the RS brand.
So what next peopel of PH, perhaps ban cars over 200bhp because there's no point? Ban RWD full stop because it simply encourages irresponsible behaviour?
I've just come from another thread where someone was accused of being a chav due to fitting an aftermarket exhaust. This place has really lost it's way.
The drift mode is a gimmick to demonstrate (and justify the investment in) what the AWD system will do. There is the marketing link between those Gymkhana videos, and i'm sure the association is great for the RS brand.
So what next peopel of PH, perhaps ban cars over 200bhp because there's no point? Ban RWD full stop because it simply encourages irresponsible behaviour?
I've just come from another thread where someone was accused of being a chav due to fitting an aftermarket exhaust. This place has really lost it's way.
grumpynuts said:
50,000 miles over the past 3 years in GT86's tells me that any car with a "drift mode" button is a bit naff, and for people who can't drive. Use your right foot and learn some skills.
So what awd cars have you driven that you can get a good drift in by using your right foot? Are you saying that its bad to be able to send more power to the rear wheels?This is a mode that will scarcely be used but why would you not want extra adjustability? Lets all go back to haldex eh?...
Why is it any different to having ESP in the first place? It's just a different calibration for it, but people obviously think these 'modes' are something really special. This type of config has been on more exotic machinery for donkeys years e.g. Ferrari Manettino in 2004 or M3 CSL 'M Track' mode in 2003, each in their respective modes allowing more slip angle, but only now these are in the mainstream and really being pushed by marketing to attract less, erm, intelligent buyers.
I don't really see the technology itself as something new or to grumble about from an enthusiast perspective - it's just a marketing change.
I don't really see the technology itself as something new or to grumble about from an enthusiast perspective - it's just a marketing change.
Some Gump said:
Drifting is utter wk. Always has been. The idea of a drift mode is even wkier.
Now ice racing, rallying, rallycross, or old school tin top racing (which all involve large elements of sideways) are awesome. A sideways car should be the byproduct of speed, not the aim. Any chump can chuck a car sidweays slowly.
Totally agree, in the main its one step from driving around McDonalds with trays under the back wheels of your mums Corsa. k. Always has been. The idea of a drift mode is even wkier.Now ice racing, rallying, rallycross, or old school tin top racing (which all involve large elements of sideways) are awesome. A sideways car should be the byproduct of speed, not the aim. Any chump can chuck a car sidweays slowly.
Its a great way to ruin cars along the way
SirSquidalot said:
It's a fantastic marketing tool, however the knuckle draggers that will use it will inevitably end up crashing whilst having a "Watch this" moment. Having a mode to help you drift doesnt make it easy, if you look at these videos the drivers have no clue in what they are doing!
But without the 'Drift' button, these knuckle draggers would still be in a 350bhp hot hatch or a 600bhp super-saloon. If anything, I'd rather have someone binning their hot hatch in a 40mph drift in front of me, than running out of talent and grip at triple figures in the wet.mwstewart said:
Why is it any different to having ESP in the first place? It's just a different calibration for it, but people obviously think these 'modes' are something really special. This type of config has been on more exotic machinery for donkeys years e.g. Ferrari Manettino in 2004 or M3 CSL 'M Track' mode in 2003, each in their respective modes allowing more slip angle, but only now these are in the mainstream and really being pushed by marketing to attract less, erm, intelligent buyers.
I don't really see the technology itself as something new or to grumble about from an enthusiast perspective - it's just a marketing change.
I've never used the track mode on my DSC either! I can rip tread off £300 a piece tyres and get the back end out well enough in the normal default mode. I've never once thought "I wish I could hang the back end out longer".I don't really see the technology itself as something new or to grumble about from an enthusiast perspective - it's just a marketing change.
It's a trivial feature that nobody actually buying the car uses. It's there because someone could put it there. It doesn't even offend me being there, to be honest. I never touch the DSC button. I use Dynamic, I use Sport and I regularly use the paddles. I can enjoy the chassis and "feel the car move about" within the limits of the default DSC settings. I've never even felt the desire to turn the DSC to Track, let alone Off.
These slidey-roundy modes are gimmicks. Fine for journo types on airfields with someone else's car I'm sure. I really struggle to reconcile the image of a crusty E63 AMG buyer with the image of someone feeling the urge to press a "Drift Mode" button and destroy their set of new Contis (or whatever AMGs come with).
It is pointless in my eyes, i agree. It's just a marketing exercise to make 4 wheel drive cars look more interesting. The belief that, by a push of a button, the car in question instantly becomes some kind of rear-driven animal.
What it usually implies is to stay tuned for lots of videos emerging of people activating it and then instantly becoming drift heroes for a brief moment before completely binning the car.
What it usually implies is to stay tuned for lots of videos emerging of people activating it and then instantly becoming drift heroes for a brief moment before completely binning the car.
I think drift mode in a front wheel drive car like the Focus, I know it's 4wd and all that, but it's basic platform is FWD. Why don't they engineer in lift off over steer. I'm a rwd fan all the way but I must add that having achieved lift off over steer in a few modestly powered diesel mk2 Golfs and 306's I am a big fan of that also. Loading up the front, lifting off the throttle and out it comes, fantastic. All this can happen a low speeds if the back end is light. Over steer in RWD cars is also good fun but I tend to leave that for big car parks on snow, icy day. All slow, easy to manage and doesn't knacker suspension/tires. Your are right Drift modes are stupid.
I think some of you are missing the point. The Ford and Ferrari systems monitor steering input in combo with yaw and either back off or apply the electronic safety nets depending on how well are you doing.
In the Ferrari's case, it means you can extend a drift far longer with relative ease. The beauty, a point the article makes, is that it all feels natural like you are doing all the work. I imagine 90% of 'haters' would actually find it a lot of fun if they had a chance to try it.
In the Ferrari's case, it means you can extend a drift far longer with relative ease. The beauty, a point the article makes, is that it all feels natural like you are doing all the work. I imagine 90% of 'haters' would actually find it a lot of fun if they had a chance to try it.
I might be in the minority here, but I find drifting itself pointless - with or without a special mode in order to enable it.
There is a vast difference between a skilled driver controlling a car around a corner on a track and someone out of control in a car park making the tyres squeal. Just look at the footage and pictures of the great drivers from the 1960's (Jim Clarke, Jackie Stewart, Graham Hill etc) to realise that it was different then.
There is a vast difference between a skilled driver controlling a car around a corner on a track and someone out of control in a car park making the tyres squeal. Just look at the footage and pictures of the great drivers from the 1960's (Jim Clarke, Jackie Stewart, Graham Hill etc) to realise that it was different then.
hondansx said:
I don't get why people are seemingly so irritable on here... about ANYTHING!
The drift mode is a gimmick to demonstrate (and justify the investment in) what the AWD system will do. There is the marketing link between those Gymkhana videos, and i'm sure the association is great for the RS brand.
So what next peopel of PH, perhaps ban cars over 200bhp because there's no point? Ban RWD full stop because it simply encourages irresponsible behaviour?
I've just come from another thread where someone was accused of being a chav due to fitting an aftermarket exhaust. This place has really lost it's way.
Don't get your knickers in so much of a twist!The drift mode is a gimmick to demonstrate (and justify the investment in) what the AWD system will do. There is the marketing link between those Gymkhana videos, and i'm sure the association is great for the RS brand.
So what next peopel of PH, perhaps ban cars over 200bhp because there's no point? Ban RWD full stop because it simply encourages irresponsible behaviour?
I've just come from another thread where someone was accused of being a chav due to fitting an aftermarket exhaust. This place has really lost it's way.
No-one is talking of banning drift mode, just that it's a bit of a gimmick.
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