RE: Porsche 718 Boxster: Review
Discussion
I don't think options effect the resale price much if at all tbh, they just make a car easier or harder to sell. Some cars are deemed to be "unsellable" without the right options although I think this is something that the dealers seem to have a big hand in cultivating for their own profit more than anything.
kambites said:
In my experience there's no such thing as an option which is good for resale. Pretty much every optional extra depreciates; the best residuals in absolute terms will almost always come from a base-spec car. Poorly specced cars only struggle to sell when people price them too close to well specced cars. Actually we all know Porsche would stick a GT badge on it somewhere and probably sell it for £200k
Guvernator said:
I don't think options effect the resale price much if at all tbh, they just make a car easier or harder to sell. Some cars are deemed to be "unsellable" without the right options although I think this is something that the dealers seem to have a big hand in cultivating for their own profit more than anything.
Even with the influence of the dealer network they're only "unsellable" because people try to price them too close to cars with the options. If you took a completely base-spec 718 in three years' time and tried to sell it privately for £11.5k below the dealer market rate for a car specced like the one in the article, it'd sell within hours. Scottie - NW said:
Great cars have great engines.
As much as a great engine can really enhance the experience, there are exceptions where the overall experience is top class without having a particularly amazing engine.Bias cap on, Clio Trophy for example.
That being said, when paying high money I'd need to have a soundtrack to match.
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Thursday 10th November 17:56
I've driven the 718 2.0 and 2.5 at their Silverstone experience. I thought it was a fantastic package. Engine didn't seem dull like say a VAG petrol turbo unit. Not melodic but definitely sporting. Rest of car was so finely honed. Really sold it to me.
Options are expensive. Some better value than others. But specced well it's a very nice place to be. Much better than Audi which I just find are seas of anthracite plastic and leather. Adds up to fairly eye watering amounts of you get carried away though!
Options are expensive. Some better value than others. But specced well it's a very nice place to be. Much better than Audi which I just find are seas of anthracite plastic and leather. Adds up to fairly eye watering amounts of you get carried away though!
An unsellable Porsche because it it has no options is complete b
ks.
I bought the lowest spec 997 Carrera 2 S when they first came out with Basalt Black as my only paid for option and the LSD and -20mm as my free option (in exchange for PASM). My car cost me just a shade over 65k. I sold it two years later and with over 25,000 miles for a shade over £50k.........
My Father in law bought the same car on the same day but had an auto with every frigging option going. He paid in excess of £80k and drove it probably 7,000 miles in the same two year period. His was worth no more than £3k more than mine at the same time I sold mine. He kept his a bit longer.
So I lost £15,000 over 2 years and 25,000 miles, whilst he was looking at closer £27,000 loss with a third less miles.
My OPC salesman told me I was committing financial suicide when I specced my car. I ignored him.....
ks.I bought the lowest spec 997 Carrera 2 S when they first came out with Basalt Black as my only paid for option and the LSD and -20mm as my free option (in exchange for PASM). My car cost me just a shade over 65k. I sold it two years later and with over 25,000 miles for a shade over £50k.........
My Father in law bought the same car on the same day but had an auto with every frigging option going. He paid in excess of £80k and drove it probably 7,000 miles in the same two year period. His was worth no more than £3k more than mine at the same time I sold mine. He kept his a bit longer.
So I lost £15,000 over 2 years and 25,000 miles, whilst he was looking at closer £27,000 loss with a third less miles.
My OPC salesman told me I was committing financial suicide when I specced my car. I ignored him.....
The thing about a Porsche, is that there is likely to always be someone somewhere who would like one, (given it is in a `reasonable' condition) almost regardless of its age.
The price asked for `some' used Porsches can be truly eye watering, and I am not sure why, as they don't seem to be `particularly' rare.
Where everyday cars are found as barn finds they seem to go at prices which one would expect, but some barn find Porsches seems to attract very high prices in the same way as a barn find, E-Type, Ferrari, Aston etc.
This of course also applies to certain other marques, but who would `really' want a barn find Marina, Allegro, or Astra?
The price asked for `some' used Porsches can be truly eye watering, and I am not sure why, as they don't seem to be `particularly' rare.
Where everyday cars are found as barn finds they seem to go at prices which one would expect, but some barn find Porsches seems to attract very high prices in the same way as a barn find, E-Type, Ferrari, Aston etc.
This of course also applies to certain other marques, but who would `really' want a barn find Marina, Allegro, or Astra?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 11th November 11:19
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If you dont spec any options then it is a poverty pork special and may be harder to sell on, however, if Porsche pare it down to the minimum, stick a climbing frame in, MG Metro seatbelts and then paint it in a 1980s teenagers bedroom paint scheme it is worth a bloody fortune !I've only seen one so far, and it made a right racket, in the way that many sporty cars do today.
One thing that the new generation does lend itself to - there is likely to very quickly (in the US expecially) some absolutely bonkers aftermarket tuning options available for people who want to make them go really, really, really f*ckin fast in a straight line.
I also think that for some reason the 4-pot turbo seems more 'right' in the Cayman, over the Boxster. This also ties in with the swap now to the Cayman being the cheaper of the two, as you would expect.
I'd suggest that probably the 'best' of the breed is the cheapest, most basic 2.0 Cayman they will sell you.
As for spec - I bought my 986 because it was the lowest spec I could find - doesn't even have a/c or leather seats! Its practically an RS model
One thing that the new generation does lend itself to - there is likely to very quickly (in the US expecially) some absolutely bonkers aftermarket tuning options available for people who want to make them go really, really, really f*ckin fast in a straight line.
I also think that for some reason the 4-pot turbo seems more 'right' in the Cayman, over the Boxster. This also ties in with the swap now to the Cayman being the cheaper of the two, as you would expect.
I'd suggest that probably the 'best' of the breed is the cheapest, most basic 2.0 Cayman they will sell you.
As for spec - I bought my 986 because it was the lowest spec I could find - doesn't even have a/c or leather seats! Its practically an RS model
snotrag said:
I've only seen one so far, and it made a right racket, in the way that many sporty cars do today.
One thing that the new generation does lend itself to - there is likely to very quickly (in the US expecially) some absolutely bonkers aftermarket tuning options available for people who want to make them go really, really, really f*ckin fast in a straight line.
I also think that for some reason the 4-pot turbo seems more 'right' in the Cayman, over the Boxster. This also ties in with the swap now to the Cayman being the cheaper of the two, as you would expect.
I'd suggest that probably the 'best' of the breed is the cheapest, most basic 2.0 Cayman they will sell you.
As for spec - I bought my 986 because it was the lowest spec I could find - doesn't even have a/c or leather seats! Its practically an RS model
I started out thinking that the four pot engine would completely spoil the point of having a 718 Boxster/Cayman but having driven one, have changed my mind. Yes it is different to the six pot, but better/worse, very hard to say. I would far rather have a basic as possible 718, than some of the other similar cars on offer from other manufactures but with all the add ons.One thing that the new generation does lend itself to - there is likely to very quickly (in the US expecially) some absolutely bonkers aftermarket tuning options available for people who want to make them go really, really, really f*ckin fast in a straight line.
I also think that for some reason the 4-pot turbo seems more 'right' in the Cayman, over the Boxster. This also ties in with the swap now to the Cayman being the cheaper of the two, as you would expect.
I'd suggest that probably the 'best' of the breed is the cheapest, most basic 2.0 Cayman they will sell you.
As for spec - I bought my 986 because it was the lowest spec I could find - doesn't even have a/c or leather seats! Its practically an RS model
No amount of add on add on knick knacks, would make me change my mind.
I realize that some get great pleasure from working on and adding onto an ordinary car to make it better/faster etc, but often wondered why someone would spend thousands up speccing an `ordinary' car, and then (truthfully in many cases) claim it is as quick etc as a Porsche/Ferrari/Mercedes etc, when for the same money they spent, could actually have bought a Porsche / Ferrari / Mercedes.
When I specced my boxster spyder this time last year , the salesman put major pressure on me to spec the car with loads of extras... I ignored him , and only went for black wheels , heated seats and Bose.
Car is a once a week treat , so no nav for me.£2500 quid for an imminently to be outdated unit.
I might sell it one day for bit less , but i paid less in the first place so ho humm...
My car is a honey , so special.
The new turbo cars might not make the music , but for the price point , I think they are untouchable.if the 718 is a daily car
The nav is probably worth ticking.depends if on finance or a privatley purchased longer term keeper maybe.
Car is a once a week treat , so no nav for me.£2500 quid for an imminently to be outdated unit.
I might sell it one day for bit less , but i paid less in the first place so ho humm...
My car is a honey , so special.
The new turbo cars might not make the music , but for the price point , I think they are untouchable.if the 718 is a daily car
The nav is probably worth ticking.depends if on finance or a privatley purchased longer term keeper maybe.
Edited by davidc1 on Friday 11th November 18:47
Slightly surprised why some folk are taken aback by lengthy and pricey options lists Porsche have been doing this for years and as a result it's what allows them to deliver cars which meet so many different people's needs. If you want a relatively basic manual car you can have one, if you want luxury, technology, extra noise, stiffer suspension etc etc you can have all of that too.
As for either flat fours or Turbo fours not being true to the brand there's successful form in both of those areas isn't there ?
As for either flat fours or Turbo fours not being true to the brand there's successful form in both of those areas isn't there ?
Cotic said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The two litre Turbo 4 has a combined figure of 38.1 mpg, the 2.7 six is around 32 mpg combined figure.
tut tut tut - Real world figures, not the manufacturer's nonsense please! I can get 'near' the manufacturers figures in an N/A car; never managed to get anywhere near in a turbo.As for fuel consumption figures, we all know all manufacturers figures are based on a test that does not give real world figures, but if one manufacture does it that way, they all have to, otherwise their figures are going to look worse, in comparison when in reality they may not be.
Notwithstanding manufacturers who fudge the test of course.
nickfrog said:
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Agreed - bare bones Porsches sell very well after 3 years and yield the same % of retained value as more gadgetised models. Or if they don't, then at least the £ loss is no worse.For the first time, the basic spec is perfect for me on a Cayman apart from cruise and rear sensors, which are cheapish.
If I had the opportunity to have either a fully specced up quality saloon, or a no frills quality sports car, I would likely be going for the sports car, but this of course would be dependent on my requirements. If I had a family of 4 or 5 to move around, a 2 seat sports car just would not be the answer.
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I love these kind of comments - One of the world's most profitable car companies catering to multiple markets (both geographic and taste) and consistently turning out class leading vehicles "is toast" because some people spend money on options deemed a frippery.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff