RE: Ford Focus RS Mk2: PH Heroes
Discussion
Smokey32 said:
White or blue look good. The green is s
t. Looks great on a lambo. Not on a focus.
Meh 20k for a fwd hatch that struggles for traction in stock form. You cant ignore the price. Its mental. But then most fast fords seem to be.
So wrong t. Looks great on a lambo. Not on a focus.Meh 20k for a fwd hatch that struggles for traction in stock form. You cant ignore the price. Its mental. But then most fast fords seem to be.
The green one is just lovely... Ultimate Green is such a great colour. The others are nice too, but if I was going to get one, I'd go all out seeing as though it's just that kind of car.
Smokey32 said:
...struggles for traction in stock form.
Really?I've been a passenger in one running around 370-ish Bhp, and one of the surprises for me was the traction and composure.
Admittedly it was a dry day, in spring, but even at that, I was impressed with how little fuss it made.
316Mining said:
s m said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Of course, once the mk3 starts to appear in big enough numbers I suspect the residuals of mk2s will suffer.
That's usually the pattern in similar situations.
Supply AND demand then Johnny? As you suggested earlier?That's usually the pattern in similar situations.
I think demand will remain strong as it gets older. Similar to the Escort Cosworth RS. Once out of production it gained in value year on year.
The Escort once out of production depreciated year on year until they got to around the £12k mark. They started rising in the last 8years or so year on year so had 10 years of quite slow depreciation prior to this. Pretty much what we have seen of the Focae so far.
The Focus could well get to £15k in the next couple of years and then as supply decreases and demand grows they could end up worth more then where they started in another 10 years time. Inflation helps with this.
p1stonhead said:
Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.
As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
What people dont understand, is that it is one thing to buy a car, another thing to maintain it. A M3/M5/M6 is much more in service and parts than a Ford. You might have 20.000 punds to buy it, but do you have the 1-2000 punds a year to maintain it, plus much more when something breaks.As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49
Ahbefive said:
Quite a lot wrong with that post. The mk3 will cease production in around 6 months, not just started, about halfway through.
The Escort once out of production depreciated year on year until they got to around the £12k mark. They started rising in the last 8years or so year on year so had 10 years of quite slow depreciation prior to this. Pretty much what we have seen of the Focae so far.
The Focus could well get to £15k in the next couple of years and then as supply decreases and demand grows they could end up worth more then where they started in another 10 years time. Inflation helps with this.
When production ceased on the RS Cossie 2nd had car values jumped from 18k to 24k virtually overnight (I was in the market for one at 18k only to find it was re-priced within days of the production end announcement). They may then have gradually dropped to 12k for the worst cars but there was an end of production rebound (wasn't the production end something of a surprise as I remember it?).The Escort once out of production depreciated year on year until they got to around the £12k mark. They started rising in the last 8years or so year on year so had 10 years of quite slow depreciation prior to this. Pretty much what we have seen of the Focae so far.
The Focus could well get to £15k in the next couple of years and then as supply decreases and demand grows they could end up worth more then where they started in another 10 years time. Inflation helps with this.
Fuldhat said:
What people dont understand, is that it is one thing to buy a car, another thing to maintain it. A M3/M5/M6 is much more in service and parts than a Ford. You might have 20.000 punds to buy it, but do you have the 1-2000 punds a year to maintain it, plus much more when something breaks.
Also very few M3's or M5's retain value. You'll still lose 10k buying a 4 year old M3 or M5 and keeping it for 3 years. Love for the v8 M3 is strengthening though isn't it?Only the special ones like CSLs hold value.
TheJimi said:
Smokey32 said:
...struggles for traction in stock form.
Really?I've been a passenger in one running around 370-ish Bhp, and one of the surprises for me was the traction and composure.
Admittedly it was a dry day, in spring, but even at that, I was impressed with how little fuss it made.
RW
kayzee said:
Smokey32 said:
White or blue look good. The green is st. Looks great on a lambo. Not on a focus.
Meh 20k for a fwd hatch that struggles for traction in stock form. You cant ignore the price. Its mental. But then most fast fords seem to be.
So wrong t. Looks great on a lambo. Not on a focus.Meh 20k for a fwd hatch that struggles for traction in stock form. You cant ignore the price. Its mental. But then most fast fords seem to be.
The green one is just lovely... Ultimate Green is such a great colour. The others are nice too, but if I was going to get one, I'd go all out seeing as though it's just that kind of car.
Fuldhat said:
p1stonhead said:
Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.
As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
What people dont understand, is that it is one thing to buy a car, another thing to maintain it. A M3/M5/M6 is much more in service and parts than a Ford. You might have 20.000 punds to buy it, but do you have the 1-2000 punds a year to maintain it, plus much more when something breaks.As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49
blade7 said:
I like the looks and sound of the MK11 and I've posted on here before if the MK111 looked the same I'd probably have bought one at some point, but that colour looks horrible.
that's exactly what I thought until I physically saw it. Went to buy a white or Blue one from RS Direct but with them all lined up there was only 1 colour to have for this type of car IMHO. Blue to dark and associated with mk I and the white, well far too many ordinary white cars on the road these days.Edited by blade7 on Monday 21st November 11:33
The green suits the car and stands out and is a 3 layer pearlescent with hints of yellow fleck.
Looks fabulous and I usually hate green cars
Yep, orange was an ST only colour. If you see an orange RS... well, it isn't!
I ran an ST for three years and it was - as most seem to be - modified, to around 300bhp an 350lb ft. It was a fantastic car, comfortable, practical, powerful and characterful. The RS is more of the same, with the wick dialled up somewhat. I went out for passenger runs in a couple of cars with 400+bhp, and they were hugely potent.
I think I'd struggle to justify £20k for one, but I completely understand why these have such a cult following. Plus, they look way, way better than the Mk3.
I ran an ST for three years and it was - as most seem to be - modified, to around 300bhp an 350lb ft. It was a fantastic car, comfortable, practical, powerful and characterful. The RS is more of the same, with the wick dialled up somewhat. I went out for passenger runs in a couple of cars with 400+bhp, and they were hugely potent.
I think I'd struggle to justify £20k for one, but I completely understand why these have such a cult following. Plus, they look way, way better than the Mk3.
Johnnytheboy said:
Once the newer model becomes available, interest in the old one will inevitably fall off.
(If it doesn't I'll be very happy!)
Mk III is a very different car with 4 WD and 5 Doors (If it doesn't I'll be very happy!)
Since all these brand new Mk III's have been flipped on the used market Mk II prices have actually INCREASED and it wont be long before a good Mk II will be worth more than a MK III.
It has a cult following and looks like a proper rally car in RS style.
I drove past a Mk III RS the other day and barely took notice of it, could easily have been a base model it was so visually bland
RamboLambo said:
The green suits the car and stands out and is a 3 layer pearlescent with hints of yellow fleck.
Looks fabulous and I usually hate green cars
Don't you know green is unlucky for cars. Many years ago some nobber T-boned my immaculate dark blue Stag, under the mangled blue door/wing it was green Looks fabulous and I usually hate green cars
.Prices are holding high because people love the cars, RS Direct can't be solely blamed at the inflated prices, people must be buying them otherwise they wouldn't get what they wanted......I've got a TVR Tuscan and a Tommi Makinen.....and wait, I've just paid £25'000 for a mint low mileage RS from the above company for a few reasons. I feel my money is safe and won't depreciate drastically in the future, if the trend carries on then I hope to make some, the new RS is a shower of you know what in the looks department and I genuinely think it will be a cult car of the future more so than the MK1 RS.
We all have our likes etc, I took a massive hammering for blowing near in 30k on a Trevor, but what a car it is. I'd much rather wrestle that round B roads than a computer holding me back.
I'm going to be laughed at but these MK2 cars will raise to 30k plus in 3-4 years time. I hope RS direct up their prices. It's exactly the same as the tvr gang, we have within our following increased the Sagaris price single handed.
Iconic cars are always going to be worth their weight, stick an RS badge on a banana and it will get a premium.
We all have our likes etc, I took a massive hammering for blowing near in 30k on a Trevor, but what a car it is. I'd much rather wrestle that round B roads than a computer holding me back.
I'm going to be laughed at but these MK2 cars will raise to 30k plus in 3-4 years time. I hope RS direct up their prices. It's exactly the same as the tvr gang, we have within our following increased the Sagaris price single handed.
Iconic cars are always going to be worth their weight, stick an RS badge on a banana and it will get a premium.
blade7 said:
Don't you know green is unlucky for cars. Many years ago some nobber T-boned my immaculate dark blue Stag, under the mangled blue door/wing it was green .
So it was a immaculate repainted BLUE car that got hit and didn't like being changed from its original beautiful green hence sticking itself in the way of the nobber that T boned you ???!!! WTF..Not sure I follow that logic at all
Hi Vis jackets are fluorescent green to stop people from hitting you.
Maybe you should patent an immaculate low vis jacket in blue and then when you have made your millions you could afford an ULTIMATE Green Mk II Focus RS provided that's enough to buy one by then.
You have got to laugh
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