RE: Ford Focus RS Mk2: PH Heroes
Discussion
316Mining said:
When production ceased on the RS Cossie 2nd had car values jumped from 18k to 24k virtually overnight (I was in the market for one at 18k only to find it was re-priced within days of the production end announcement). They may then have gradually dropped to 12k for the worst cars but there was an end of production rebound (wasn't the production end something of a surprise as I remember it?).
They finished production in 1997 iirc. In 2006 when I was considering one you could get a very good 70k miler for around £12k with the concours examples with no miles being around £18k.BMW? Why are we comparing a Hatchback Lamborghini (with half its v10 engine 
) to a crappy BMW repmobile? Hahaa! Id rather catch the bus than be seen in one of those chavmobiles! Seriously they are mostly driven by pretentious, boring loosers who play golf twice a year, have cheap wine halitosis and spit on you while talking.
BMW repmobiles have no style at all, they are even worse than a modern Golf. Only known for being made in boring colours, driven badly and spinning there wheels fighting for traction. Sweeping statements sure, but its true! BMW's are the smelly dirty Pidgeons of the road.
Clio is cool but the Megane? Really? NO. Old Megane looks like its got a audi TT and a volvo estate cut/shut on the back like plastic surgery gone wrong. New one looks too much like an Astra. Nice paint though!
Mk3 "RS" is a JOKE. Sure the 4wd is great, but its lost its balls. A 5 door baby wagon designed for men who arnt allowed to have a 3 door, cuz they might have some fun and leave their paranoid wife. They look like an ST diesel.. and ST's look nothing special either! Wheres the bonnet vents? 3 Doors? Wide kit? Supercar colours? Excitement? Fun?
With a crappy 5 door platform to work with Ford seem to have abandoned the idea of the focus being cool anymore. And its not just me, i dont know anyone who likes the Mk3, even the Ford staff ive spoken to think its rubbish. The MK2 is the LAST 3 DOOR RS and is allready going down in history as a legend. They get so much positive attention. Ford could make a Fiesta Ken Block style 4wd monster with 350bhp, imo that would be worthy of the RS badge.
) to a crappy BMW repmobile? Hahaa! Id rather catch the bus than be seen in one of those chavmobiles! Seriously they are mostly driven by pretentious, boring loosers who play golf twice a year, have cheap wine halitosis and spit on you while talking.BMW repmobiles have no style at all, they are even worse than a modern Golf. Only known for being made in boring colours, driven badly and spinning there wheels fighting for traction. Sweeping statements sure, but its true! BMW's are the smelly dirty Pidgeons of the road.
Clio is cool but the Megane? Really? NO. Old Megane looks like its got a audi TT and a volvo estate cut/shut on the back like plastic surgery gone wrong. New one looks too much like an Astra. Nice paint though!
Mk3 "RS" is a JOKE. Sure the 4wd is great, but its lost its balls. A 5 door baby wagon designed for men who arnt allowed to have a 3 door, cuz they might have some fun and leave their paranoid wife. They look like an ST diesel.. and ST's look nothing special either! Wheres the bonnet vents? 3 Doors? Wide kit? Supercar colours? Excitement? Fun?
With a crappy 5 door platform to work with Ford seem to have abandoned the idea of the focus being cool anymore. And its not just me, i dont know anyone who likes the Mk3, even the Ford staff ive spoken to think its rubbish. The MK2 is the LAST 3 DOOR RS and is allready going down in history as a legend. They get so much positive attention. Ford could make a Fiesta Ken Block style 4wd monster with 350bhp, imo that would be worthy of the RS badge.
Ahbefive said:
A 300bhp hot hatch with lsd, brembos & recaros. Whats not to like?
Obviously the mk3 is much better but these cars have loads of character too.
What's not to like?Obviously the mk3 is much better but these cars have loads of character too.
The horrid colours, the ugly looks, the overhyped lsd and the fact the lesser powered RS Meganes made it look slow and silly.
An RS Megane 250Cup mapped to 300bhp made them look very, very silly.
The new RS is a better looking car, is able to cope with the power due to the 4wd and is just a much nicer car to drive. Of all the beautiful cars you could get for 20k, a mk2 RS is about 10k overpriced.
Had a ride in my friend's a few weeks ago, he says it's got about 390BHP. I was impressed by how quick it was and love the noise. I think you'd have to be mad to spend £20 grand on one though, even if it will hold its value. There are plenty of other cars I'd rather have for less money. A Mk2 ST would do fine for me.
Regiment said:
What's not to like?
The horrid colours, the ugly looks, the overhyped lsd and the fact the lesser powered RS Meganes made it look slow and silly.
An RS Megane 250Cup mapped to 300bhp made them look very, very silly.
The new RS is a better looking car, is able to cope with the power due to the 4wd and is just a much nicer car to drive. Of all the beautiful cars you could get for 20k, a mk2 RS is about 10k overpriced.
The horrid colours? Blue,white and marmite green? Subjective.The horrid colours, the ugly looks, the overhyped lsd and the fact the lesser powered RS Meganes made it look slow and silly.
An RS Megane 250Cup mapped to 300bhp made them look very, very silly.
The new RS is a better looking car, is able to cope with the power due to the 4wd and is just a much nicer car to drive. Of all the beautiful cars you could get for 20k, a mk2 RS is about 10k overpriced.
The looks -subjective.
Overhyped lsd- it's a quaife diff, very good.
A megane made it look silly- I've not seen that anywhere, the RS is quicker in a straight line for sure. Any vids or links of this silly making? A mapped one you say? Well like for like a mapped RS would stuff a mapped megane. https://youtu.be/SbDte_KSB7s
New RS is better-totally agree with that one.
Should be £10k- really? ST's are that much money. £10k will hardly even get you a mk1 these days.
Edited by Ahbefive on Monday 21st November 21:42
A lot of hatred on here towards RSD, buyers control the market, if there were no buyers willing to pay the money then the prices would drop. Yes they hold them up somewhat by asking a premium so the private sellers do the same making it harder for people to get them for reasonable money, but its supply and demand.
They did drop a while back but as did a lot of cars, I wouldnt personally pay 20k+ for one and I think there is better out there but can understand why people do and dont hate them for it.
There are a lot of ford enthusiasts out there and not so many cars, look at recent prices from silverstone, £31000 series 2 RS Turbo, which is now 40k, £19000 Fiesta RS turbo, not to mention some cosworth prices
They are not alone though a lot of hot hatches are on the up
They did drop a while back but as did a lot of cars, I wouldnt personally pay 20k+ for one and I think there is better out there but can understand why people do and dont hate them for it.
There are a lot of ford enthusiasts out there and not so many cars, look at recent prices from silverstone, £31000 series 2 RS Turbo, which is now 40k, £19000 Fiesta RS turbo, not to mention some cosworth prices
They are not alone though a lot of hot hatches are on the up
Interesting and at the same time a bit sad that this type of thread now always seem to end up revolving around money and prices.
In reality at the moment any of these well in to the £20k's is a limited market IMO. Around a year ago I was trying to establish a value for a sub 5000 mile standard car. Rang round half a dozen of the prominent 'specialist' dealers. It was either 'we're not buying at the moment' or 'sorry you need to speak to so-and-so he will call you back' and they never did. Ultimately not one of them came forward to put an actual bid on the car.
In reality at the moment any of these well in to the £20k's is a limited market IMO. Around a year ago I was trying to establish a value for a sub 5000 mile standard car. Rang round half a dozen of the prominent 'specialist' dealers. It was either 'we're not buying at the moment' or 'sorry you need to speak to so-and-so he will call you back' and they never did. Ultimately not one of them came forward to put an actual bid on the car.
Edited by MuscleSaloon on Monday 21st November 22:41
I've generally Bought Audi RS's over the years, but fancied a change back in 2010 & the Focus RS MK2 caught my eye, so I Bought a Brand New Frozen White Luxpack 2 Spec!
To be honest, I've never been a huge Fan of Fords(not since the 1990's Escort RS2000 anyway), but I have to say, the MK2 Focus RS was truly Amazing!
It had a huge Presence on the road, with its Rally Style looks, the Interior was Sporty but Classy, it always felt very Shore-Footed on the roads, the 5 Pot Engine pulled really well in any Gear & the Exhaust Note Sounded absolutely Epic!
To me, it gave you a great Buzz to Drive & was a real 'Drivers' Car..........almost feeling more like Fast Fords from the 70's & 80's, with just abitmore Refinement!
I'm not one for keeping Cars that long, but I ended up keeping it for 3 & a half years, because I loved it so much, it was truly Brilliant.........I only Sold it because of its Age, the amount of Mileage I'd Clocked up in it, seeing Young Lads suddenly Driving them & I'd decided to drop back into another Audi RS!
It still gave me a Buzz to Drive, the day I Sold it though!
I've had a few Renaultsport Cars over the years too & as much as they've been pretty Quick, Nimble & Fun, personally, I didn't feel they were in the same League on Looks, Build Quality, Sound & Realiability as the MK2 Focus RS.
Renaults just look Boring, are really Tinny & always suffer Electrical Faults!
I can understand that the Looks of the MK2 RS are abit Loud for some people & that 20k sounds a lot for a 5-6 year old Car, but I'd say that there still worth every penny & there'll become a Future Ford Classic, so Mint Condition Low Mileage Examples will only go up in Value!
As for that Monstrosity of a MK3 RS Focus, what the hell were Ford thinking in the Looks Department(Inside & Outside)??.........I guess they weren't!!
No doubt, its Faster & Handles better than its Predecessor, but that's just Modern Evolution, but when it has 5 Doors & sits too high,looking Tall & Thin like a small People Carrier & has that silly Manufactured 'Farty' noise from them using the wrong Engine.i.e a Tree Hugging Low Emission 4 Cylinder,I just feel that Ford has gone back in Time...........unfortunately, to the wrong time for them.i.e the early 1990's, when even all their Fast Fords weren't good!
..........with the MK3, going 4WD was a good Move, but they should have stuck with the 3 Doors & 5 Cylinder Engine, to make it more Fun & Unique!
To be honest, I've never been a huge Fan of Fords(not since the 1990's Escort RS2000 anyway), but I have to say, the MK2 Focus RS was truly Amazing!
It had a huge Presence on the road, with its Rally Style looks, the Interior was Sporty but Classy, it always felt very Shore-Footed on the roads, the 5 Pot Engine pulled really well in any Gear & the Exhaust Note Sounded absolutely Epic!
To me, it gave you a great Buzz to Drive & was a real 'Drivers' Car..........almost feeling more like Fast Fords from the 70's & 80's, with just abitmore Refinement!
I'm not one for keeping Cars that long, but I ended up keeping it for 3 & a half years, because I loved it so much, it was truly Brilliant.........I only Sold it because of its Age, the amount of Mileage I'd Clocked up in it, seeing Young Lads suddenly Driving them & I'd decided to drop back into another Audi RS!
It still gave me a Buzz to Drive, the day I Sold it though!
I've had a few Renaultsport Cars over the years too & as much as they've been pretty Quick, Nimble & Fun, personally, I didn't feel they were in the same League on Looks, Build Quality, Sound & Realiability as the MK2 Focus RS.
Renaults just look Boring, are really Tinny & always suffer Electrical Faults!
I can understand that the Looks of the MK2 RS are abit Loud for some people & that 20k sounds a lot for a 5-6 year old Car, but I'd say that there still worth every penny & there'll become a Future Ford Classic, so Mint Condition Low Mileage Examples will only go up in Value!
As for that Monstrosity of a MK3 RS Focus, what the hell were Ford thinking in the Looks Department(Inside & Outside)??.........I guess they weren't!!
No doubt, its Faster & Handles better than its Predecessor, but that's just Modern Evolution, but when it has 5 Doors & sits too high,looking Tall & Thin like a small People Carrier & has that silly Manufactured 'Farty' noise from them using the wrong Engine.i.e a Tree Hugging Low Emission 4 Cylinder,I just feel that Ford has gone back in Time...........unfortunately, to the wrong time for them.i.e the early 1990's, when even all their Fast Fords weren't good!
..........with the MK3, going 4WD was a good Move, but they should have stuck with the 3 Doors & 5 Cylinder Engine, to make it more Fun & Unique!
RamboLambo said:
blade7 said:
Don't you know green is unlucky for cars. Many years ago some nobber T-boned my immaculate dark blue Stag, under the mangled blue door/wing it was green 
.
So it was a immaculate repainted BLUE car that got hit and didn't like being changed from its original beautiful green hence sticking itself in the way of the nobber that T boned you ???!!! WTF..Not sure I follow that logic at all
You have got to laugh
.yonex said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Yes you could get a V8 M3 for 20k but it's not a limited numbers car with a load of work carried out at the factory so of course the depreciation will be worse the mainstream car, you need to compare apples with apples.
I'd wager a manual E90 M3 will be at least as rare as the Focus, and let's be perfectly honest, more character.This is one purely for the die hard Ford fans.
R26R MK2 Escort's are all around the 20k mark or you could go & buy a Cayman for that money it all depends on your poison who are any of us to say one is better than the other it all depends on the individual would I buy one? No but I wouldn't buy the BM's either & out of the two I'd happily sink 20k on the Ford rather than the BMW
I remember when it was first revealed and many experts on PH ridiculed its "lairy" looks,loud colours,Halfords styling and baseball cap image...well,who is laughing now.Even at 25k nothing beats it for character,yet it is far more reliable and practical than a "true" sportscar.
I would prefer an Exige or a mad Evo(much more expensive to maintain),but i can certainly understand why it is still in demand.The MK 3 hype is dying very quickly and while it would be harsh to call it a turkey,Ford made the big mistake of spending the money on AWD,not on a rally-style bodykit.Said with a smirk,but it is actually the truth.If you want to blend in,buy a Golf R!
I would prefer an Exige or a mad Evo(much more expensive to maintain),but i can certainly understand why it is still in demand.The MK 3 hype is dying very quickly and while it would be harsh to call it a turkey,Ford made the big mistake of spending the money on AWD,not on a rally-style bodykit.Said with a smirk,but it is actually the truth.If you want to blend in,buy a Golf R!
vanschpunk said:
No they arent!!! Prices artificially held high by the likes of RS Direct, to keep their business growing/afloat. And in turn, the market for them stays high!! They mouthed off that the mk3 FRS wasnt a true Rs and a heap of turd blablabla....and look they are at it with the Mk3 FRS.
Anyone who thinks a 6/7yr old Focus is worth more than a 6/7yr old BMW M3, needs their f
king heads looked at!!
Nothing to do with RS Direct. It is more to do with the fact that the M3 E90/92 is common as muck, hence why the prices of them drop like a tonne. They were far too over priced to start with new. Even look at the current M3 and M4 still way over priced compared to other 3 series in the range.Anyone who thinks a 6/7yr old Focus is worth more than a 6/7yr old BMW M3, needs their f
king heads looked at!! Crafty_ said:
Rather gaudy looking things that apparently never really worked properly (many had very long stays in dealerships for issues, as I understand it complex electronics that limited power in certain scenarios), worshiped purely because of an RS badge by fast ford lovers. Seeming loved here on a financial basis.
Like the Mk3 a car that has never held any interest for me.
Rubbish, I don't know much that stayed in the dealerships as you say. One or two did have a power issue but was sorted by being updated via ECU.Like the Mk3 a car that has never held any interest for me.
I wouldt say they are worth 320k plus, but so many cars I would say are overpriced. But it is an enthusiast car whether you like it or not. Maybe because the car you have isn't got those prices you moan in jealousy. Typical.
ks, there's nothing legendary about it, mk2's, Cosworth's etc all have competition pedigree, the Mk2 RS is a car mostly renowned for being driven by tts who are in competition with each other to put the worst graphics possible on their cars.
What you're saying is that anyone who doesn't like it 'doesn't get it' which means literally fk all and if you don't like it you're not a petrolhead? I'm convinced this is a disease that some people catch when someone dares not to like the same car as them and then sprout some nonsense reason for why they must be wrong with their opinion.
Is a Mk2 RS worth even close to 20grand? Is it balls.
DanielSan said:
RamboLambo said:
Its a true enthusiasts car and a legend. Those that don't get it, never will but if you have petrol in your blood you will understand and no doubt really want one.
What a load of bks, there's nothing legendary about it, mk2's, Cosworth's etc all have competition pedigree, the Mk2 RS is a car mostly renowned for being driven by tts who are in competition with each other to put the worst graphics possible on their cars. What you're saying is that anyone who doesn't like it 'doesn't get it' which means literally f
k all and if you don't like it you're not a petrolhead? I'm convinced this is a disease that some people catch when someone dares not to like the same car as them and then sprout some nonsense reason for why they must be wrong with their opinion. Is a Mk2 RS worth even close to 20grand? Is it balls.
You prefer it, but are one of the people not prepared to buy it, hence why the R26.R fell flat on its face. The prospect is good, just it was overpriced for what it was; hence why it never sold. Anyone could have easily done it with a standard R26.
Also to add one in your pipe, if Ford did the same thing like the R26R with the mk2 Ford Focus RS being a stripped out racer and putting it on sticky tyres, it would be bye bye R26R; but it would also fall flat on its face, because who would spend that kind of money on a stripped out RS when you could buy a standard one and do the same for much less.
Also to add one in your pipe, if Ford did the same thing like the R26R with the mk2 Ford Focus RS being a stripped out racer and putting it on sticky tyres, it would be bye bye R26R; but it would also fall flat on its face, because who would spend that kind of money on a stripped out RS when you could buy a standard one and do the same for much less.
Tickle said:
Leins said:
Great that owners love them, but think I'd prefer an R26R myself. It just seems to do the "mad hot hatch" thing a little better
Yup, the French RS is much higher on my hot hatch list too.Someone sounds a tad jealous that not everyone is drooling over his car. Get over it man, you sound like an old fuddy duddy. You have to realise a lot of the others coming up in the car scene are a lot younger than you and I. when you were probably thinking your RS500 was the daddy when it came out. I am sure others who preferred cars like mk1 Escorts would have being cussing it the same way you are now cussing the mk2 Focus RS.
rtz62 said:
Total tosh, there's no pedigree in these, competition or otherwise, and as to being 'worth' £25k or whatever, as others have stated this is RSOC members and RS Direct artificially talking them up.
Always remeber pulling into an RSOC regional meet in my minuscule miles Sierra RS500.
Some turd had a just-released Focus RS500 (what a Joke, trading on the real RS500s name) and the cognoscenti and yoofs were all gathered soporific ally staring into the engine bay whilst holding their collective crotches.
As I rolled to a standstill 50yds away I heard someone say "Now mate, THATS a proper RS500" as they all flocked over to my car, leaving afore-mentioned Focus owner looking embarrassed, annoyed, and jealous in equal parts.
I must admit to actually quite liking these, but. And it's a big but, I would want one in absolutely bog-standard condition and in mint condition with low miles to pay anywhere near £25k, let alone £20k.
I could think of many cars that I'd rather have for that money, either because they're a better drive or they have better investment potential. Of course, RS Focus owners will no doubt shout me down, perish the thought that someone may not agree with their overinflated opinion of their cars values....
Always remeber pulling into an RSOC regional meet in my minuscule miles Sierra RS500.
Some turd had a just-released Focus RS500 (what a Joke, trading on the real RS500s name) and the cognoscenti and yoofs were all gathered soporific ally staring into the engine bay whilst holding their collective crotches.
As I rolled to a standstill 50yds away I heard someone say "Now mate, THATS a proper RS500" as they all flocked over to my car, leaving afore-mentioned Focus owner looking embarrassed, annoyed, and jealous in equal parts.
I must admit to actually quite liking these, but. And it's a big but, I would want one in absolutely bog-standard condition and in mint condition with low miles to pay anywhere near £25k, let alone £20k.
I could think of many cars that I'd rather have for that money, either because they're a better drive or they have better investment potential. Of course, RS Focus owners will no doubt shout me down, perish the thought that someone may not agree with their overinflated opinion of their cars values....
Ford also had the system years ago before the RS, they also used it on some front drive Transits and other vehicles. So as you say the technology was not new when it was on the RS in 2009.
BricktopST205 said:
Butter Face said:
I have to agree, a chap I know has just bought an Ultimate Green Mk2 for 20k+ and could have had for the same money, at the same garage, a V8 M3 (in yellow) that was newer and undoubtedly a better drive.
The prices are being kept high by Ford nuts and their notalgia IMO.
Also, Revoknuckle 'innovative'? Renault had the Perfohub at the same time!
Toyota had revoknuckle and perfohub beat by 15+ years with superstrut.The prices are being kept high by Ford nuts and their notalgia IMO.
Also, Revoknuckle 'innovative'? Renault had the Perfohub at the same time!
All boring options for me, would suit some. I would rather a E46 M3 over those ones any day. V8 in M3 just didn't cut it, same with V10 M5.
p1stonhead said:
Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.
As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49
Go and take a look at many of the people driving the M3 these days or that M6, real chavvy types with loads of tattoo's and spikey hair.
You think anyone in the market for an RS would be looking at ANY of these monochrome rep-boxes?!
You may as well say you could buy a Harrods Xmas hamper for that and take the bus.
It's just as valid.I cant tell if I need a whoosh or if you actually think a 2 door M3 or M6 isnt comparable to a 2 door Focus RS for the same money? Both are a fairly expensive, not that practical, reletively thirsty coupe/hatch.
Perhaps those really really into Fords and wanting said Focus RS wouldnt consider them but that says more about them than the cars! Do you have one?
I know which one I would buy and its isnt the chavvy ford. The Focus isnt in the same league as an M3. Not even close.
Rep-boxes yeah right.
p1stonhead said:
Ed Straker said:
p1stonhead said:
Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.
As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
Seriously?As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;
Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49
You think anyone in the market for an RS would be looking at ANY of these monochrome rep-boxes?!
You may as well say you could buy a Harrods Xmas hamper for that and take the bus.
It's just as valid.
Perhaps those really really into Fords and wanting said Focus RS wouldnt consider them but that says more about them than the cars! Do you have one?
I know which one I would buy and its isnt the chavvy ford. The Focus isnt in the same league as an M3. Not even close.Rep-boxes
yeah right.Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 09:26
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