RE: Ford Focus RS Mk2: PH Heroes

[Escort Si-130]

The M3 CSL are commanding some very strong values.

s m said:

Johnnytheboy said:

316Mining said:

s m said:

Janesy B said:

Or if a single supplier controls the market, which RSDirect seems to do.

Can you only buy a Mk2 Focus RS from RS Direct? There are no private ones for sale?

Of course you can. But if RS direct say that the price of a 7 year old RS is 23k and they have 90 for sale, the private seller is going to be asking 21-22k as an undercut isn't he.... rather than the 14-15k that it should be.

But why has this not been the case for other small volume cars on the used car market.

Without demand, the strategy wouldn't work.

Obviously PH has spoken and all those buyers are wrong, but there you go.

Yes, I would have thought it was a lot easier to control the market with a low volume car like the R26R that had rave reviews...or things like the M3 CSL.

Or has someone already cornered the market on those?

[Leins]

Escort Si-130 said:

You prefer it, but are one of the people not prepared to buy it, hence why the R26.R fell flat on its face. The prospect is good, just it was overpriced for what it was; hence why it never sold. Anyone could have easily done it with a standard R26.
Also to add one in your pipe, if Ford did the same thing like the R26R with the mk2 Ford Focus RS being a stripped out racer and putting it on sticky tyres, it would be bye bye R26R; but it would also fall flat on its face, because who would spend that kind of money on a stripped out RS when you could buy a standard one and do the same for much less.

I hear this argument a lot about any "stripped-out" model that costs more than that which it's based upon, but the fact is some people prefer those cars that are standard from the manufacturer

And if I had £20k right now to spend on either, the Renault would get my vote because I prefer the approach they took when producing it. I'm not trying to say that the Ford is a worse car because of that, just not as appealing for me

[Escort Si-130]

LMFAO, goes against what some people being bashing them for. Next they would be blaming we buy any car or even car giant.

andymc said:

316Mining said:

s m said:

Janesy B said:

Or if a single supplier controls the market, which RSDirect seems to do.

Can you only buy a Mk2 Focus RS from RS Direct? There are no private ones for sale?

Of course you can. But if RS direct say that the price of a 7 year old RS is 23k and they have 90 for sale, the private seller is going to be asking 21-22k as an undercut isn't he.... rather than the 14-15k that it should be.

they have 7 for sale out of 149 on autotrader, hardly a monopoly

[Escort Si-130]

The Megane 250 is more comparable with the mk3. The original R26 or R26R is what you would compare with the mk2 RS.
Remap any car and its go figure. Could remap a mk2 to over 400bhp and then its the same thing, bye 250 cup. What next, someone would say they could buy two Fiesta ST's and have over 300bhp and still have £5k to spare etc. Or the usual PH cliché of how many E46 M£ you can get for that money, lol

Regiment said:

Ahbefive said:

A 300bhp hot hatch with lsd, brembos & recaros. Whats not to like?

Obviously the mk3 is much better but these cars have loads of character too.

What's not to like?
The horrid colours, the ugly looks, the overhyped lsd and the fact the lesser powered RS Meganes made it look slow and silly.

An RS Megane 250Cup mapped to 300bhp made them look very, very silly.

The new RS is a better looking car, is able to cope with the power due to the 4wd and is just a much nicer car to drive. Of all the beautiful cars you could get for 20k, a mk2 RS is about 10k overpriced.

[Escort Si-130]

If I had £20k to spend on either now, I would buy none. I just cant justify spending £20k on any used car over 5 years old, unless it were a Rolls Royce. I think I would just feel robbed personally. I wanted to buy a Escort RS Cosworth about 10 years ago, but could not justify spending £12-15k on a near 10 year old car.

Leins said:

Escort Si-130 said:

You prefer it, but are one of the people not prepared to buy it, hence why the R26.R fell flat on its face. The prospect is good, just it was overpriced for what it was; hence why it never sold. Anyone could have easily done it with a standard R26.
Also to add one in your pipe, if Ford did the same thing like the R26R with the mk2 Ford Focus RS being a stripped out racer and putting it on sticky tyres, it would be bye bye R26R; but it would also fall flat on its face, because who would spend that kind of money on a stripped out RS when you could buy a standard one and do the same for much less.

I hear this argument a lot about any "stripped-out" model that costs more than that which it's based upon, but the fact is some people prefer those cars that are standard from the manufacturer

And if I had £20k right now to spend on either, the Renault would get my vote because I prefer the approach they took when producing it. I'm not trying to say that the Ford is a worse car because of that, just not as appealing for me

[Dafuq]

p1stonhead said:

Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.

As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49

This............

The end.

[Tickle]

Escort Si-130 said:

You prefer it, but are one of the people not prepared to buy it, hence why the R26.R fell flat on its face. The prospect is good, just it was overpriced for what it was; hence why it never sold. Anyone could have easily done it with a standard R26.
Also to add one in your pipe, if Ford did the same thing like the R26R with the mk2 Ford Focus RS being a stripped out racer and putting it on sticky tyres, it would be bye bye R26R; but it would also fall flat on its face, because who would spend that kind of money on a stripped out RS when you could buy a standard one and do the same for much less.

Tickle said:

Leins said:

Great that owners love them, but think I'd prefer an R26R myself. It just seems to do the "mad hot hatch" thing a little better

Yup, the French RS is much higher on my hot hatch list too.

Alright, keep your Ford Motorsport Bobble Hat on and stop putting things in peoples pipes. I just prefer lighter cars with a bias to handling over power. You are quite right, I never bought the R26-R, but I never bought the Focus either. If I was in the market for one of the two best hot hatches of that era I would of opted for the Megane. As it is, I chose a car that has considerably less power than both of them.

Edited by Tickle on Tuesday 22 November 08:25

[anonymous-user]

Escort Si-130 said:

Go and take a look at many of the people driving the M3 these days or that M6, real chavvy types with loads of tattoo's and spikey hair.

It's on my business lease terms to be honest, if one doesn't meet the 'tattoo and hair' clause the payments increase by 1 snakebite per week.

Once a Ford fanboy.....

[Ved]

Is a 70s 911 worth 400k? If someone wants to pay that money then it is worth it. No different than the steady prices of an RS. Great cars IMO and a pretty good way of not losing money on a car it seems. That's a good enough reason to buy one for a lot of people.

[s m]

Ved said:

Is a 70s 911 worth 400k? If someone wants to pay that money then it is worth it. No different than the steady prices of an RS. Great cars IMO and a pretty good way of not losing money on a car it seems. That's a good enough reason to buy one for a lot of people.

That concept will never fly on here......

[Ved]

s m said:

Ved said:

Is a 70s 911 worth 400k? If someone wants to pay that money then it is worth it. No different than the steady prices of an RS. Great cars IMO and a pretty good way of not losing money on a car it seems. That's a good enough reason to buy one for a lot of people.

That concept will never fly on here......

Ahh yes the filter will kick in soon enough Imagine if someone financed an RS! The forum would melt.

[p1stonhead]

Fuldhat said:

p1stonhead said:

Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.

As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49

What people dont understand, is that it is one thing to buy a car, another thing to maintain it. A M3/M5/M6 is much more in service and parts than a Ford. You might have 20.000 punds to buy it, but do you have the 1-2000 punds a year to maintain it, plus much more when something breaks.

I would argue that someone spending £20k on a posh hatch with a big engine probably has money to burn and can afford to maintain a M car.

Anyone 'saving up' £20k to buy a posh hatch is an idiot.

[RamboLambo]

There were 3 low mileage ( 3-5,000 miles ) Mk II Focus RS's for sale less than a month ago at £29k and surprise surprise they have all sold.

Simple supply and demand and the market talks. Good examples are rare and will command a premium and sell.
Whether you like it or not this is what the car is worth because of its cult following.

My GF has a lovely top spec 2009 DSG Audi TTS ( cost her £48k new ) lovely car with 30,000 miles on it now and as good as it is its worth less than £20k today because of the numbers of Audi TT's out there.
She could not believe I turned down £27k for mine this year saying FFS its a Ford Focus

[RamboLambo]

Get a load of this :

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

40 big ones and no where near the following of a Mk II Focus RS

[316Mining]

RamboLambo said:

There were 3 low mileage ( 3-5,000 miles ) Mk II Focus RS's for sale less than a month ago at £29k and surprise surprise they have all sold.

Simple supply and demand and the market talks. Good examples are rare and will command a premium and sell.
Whether you like it or not this is what the car is worth because of its cult following.

My GF has a lovely top spec 2009 DSG Audi TTS ( cost her £48k new ) lovely car with 30,000 miles on it now and as good as it is its worth less than £20k today because of the numbers of Audi TT's out there.
She could not believe I turned down £27k for mine this year saying FFS its a Ford Focus

If I wanted 29k for my 18k on a good day FFRS I think it wouldn't be too had to create 4 or 5 adverts by borrowing photos of similar cars off the net, creating adverts on the likes of PH, marking them as sold' to generate a false market place value.

Same on Ebay.

Not saying it didn't happen, just saying it would be fairly easy....

For example, I found a 'rare' 50p coin in my change the other day, and unusual design which I'd never seen before. Checked on ebay and the average price being seen for this particular 50p was £500. Some were as high as £2000.

So checked 'sold' listings. Again, some listings show the same coin being sold for £2000.

Wow, must be worth serious money then yes? No, all fake adverts. The coin is worth about £3.50 due to its limited production run, no matter what 'sold' adverts show. Its only when you go to proper specialist coin collector websites do you see the truth, with warnings not to gauge value by seeing other 'sold' for prices on internet sites.

Maybe some cars did sell for £29k. But would you be able to resell them, if you suddenly had too?

[Escort Si-130]

Damn at price, although it wasn't used that much. I cant justify spending that kind of money. Maybe one for a speculator.

RamboLambo said:

Get a load of this :

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

40 big ones and no where near the following of a Mk II Focus RS

[R0B.]

p1stonhead said:

Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.

As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49

Manual E60 M5/M6?

[anonymous-user]

Escort Si-130 said:

All boring options for me, would suit some. I would rather a E46 M3 over those ones any day. V8 in M3 just didn't cut it, same with V10 M5.

They may not suit, but, boring? That's one thing that can't be said of either. I take you have spent a bit of time in both?

[p1stonhead]

R0B. said:

p1stonhead said:

Something about the MK1 appeals to me, but the MK2 never has. Its mental money in my opinion.

As said, £20k gets you a hell of a lot of second hand car including as someone said, all of the below from BMW themselves with a warranty;

Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 21st November 07:49

Manual E60 M5/M6?

Only in the US.

[anonymous-user]

Escort Si-130 said:

Go and take a look at many of the people driving the M3 these days or that M6, real chavvy types with loads of tattoo's and spikey hair.

It's on my business lease terms to be honest, if one doesn't meet the 'tattoo and hair' clause the payments increase by 1 snakebite per week.

Once a Ford fanboy.....