RE: Audi TT RS vs. 718 Cayman S vs. F-Type S Coupe

[kambites]

BiggestVern said:

... but £200 for the tyre pressure monitoring system that is a legal requirement...

It is? I didn't know that.

[PhantomPH]

spikyone said:

PhantomPH said:

Again, I think people are strumming the stereotype banjo because 'its cool' to do it.

The previous gen (2009/10?) TTRS - the few that I've seen have actually been owned by mid-twenties lads who are still at home with their folks and have chosen them because they look a little more spesh than a Golf. Admittedly, they were not shopping in the high £60k bracket then, but the ownership demographic was certainly not hairdressers or footballers.

It's never been a sports car - it's a fast a-to-b machine for the point and squirt generation. And ultimately, that's fine!

There are two types of people who will drop £50k+ on a car. Serious enthusiasts who want a suitably focussed car and will stretch their money and perform every bit of man-maths known to humankind, or those with a bit of money. The TT RS isn't special enough to appeal to either of those groups. I can just about see it may be appealing, as a used option, to a 20-something looking for a performance bargain. I still wonder who's going to buy a new one.

I think you are dead on with that statement. I would say these days I'm more about having a car that I enjoy for as much of the time as possible - not tolerate for a large period of time hoping for a stretch of clear, smooth road. Not only can I afford a TTRS if I wanted one, I was actually called and asked if I wanted the one at my local dealer. I just could not get away from the, "...THAT for a TT?" question rattling around in my head. In the end I was able to 'cop out' when my other half gave me a suitable sanity check.

What I do know, is that a certain chap already had paid the deposit on a TTRS for his wife as she, "...couldn't be trusted with an R8". I'm guessing he must have pulled out since it was the same dealer who was calling me and they only have 1 car available. But maybe that's the problem - people with the money to buy them tend to know a thing or two about money/value and as such will not just blindly drop the cash on something which doesn't seem to belong in the same bracket as it's price tag.

I'm looking forward to seeing the first post by someone who has made a purchase, but I've not seen one yet...

[PhantomPH]

thesmurfs said:

718STurboDriver said:

As for the sound of the new turbo, I love it. Here too, purists who are tied down to sounds emanating from aspirated engines need to get over it.

It sounds like a Beetle (the rear engined one). That's a problem.

Doesn't sound anything like the Beetles I've had...or the one I've got!

[thesmurfs]

PhantomPH said:

I'm looking forward to seeing the first post by someone who has made a purchase, but I've not seen one yet...

I'm going to be a buyer but you can't order one yet. Assuming l get a 10% discount (was previously offered 6% via Carwow) l should be able to get most of my options for free.

[PhantomPH]

thesmurfs said:

PhantomPH said:

I'm looking forward to seeing the first post by someone who has made a purchase, but I've not seen one yet...

I'm going to be a buyer but you can't order one yet. Assuming l get a 10% discount (was previously offered 6% via Carwow) l should be able to get most of my options for free.

The conversation I had was that it was mine if I wanted it. Perhaps the dealer was going to do some jiggery pokery in order to do that whilst still having it available for the appropriate amount of time. I'm not sure. The one I was offered was a black coupé. Probably would be pretty good looking in black.

[V10Ace]

PhantomPH said:

Again, I think people are strumming the stereotype banjo because 'its cool' to do it.

The previous gen (2009/10?) TTRS - the few that I've seen have actually been owned by mid-twenties lads who are still at home with their folks and have chosen them because they look a little more spesh than a Golf. Admittedly, they were not shopping in the high £60k bracket then, but the ownership demographic was certainly not hairdressers or footballers.

It's never been a sports car - it's a fast a-to-b machine for the point and squirt generation. And ultimately, that's fine!

This post is 100% spot on. Every RS3 or TTrs I know of or have come across is a young, launch controlled, point and squirt, remapped, terrorist.



Always fun people to go on a blast with too.

[ogrodz]

paulmon said:

ogrodz said:

To my eyes the cockpit of the Jag looks dated already so god knows how bad its going to look in a few years time.

That grab handle is still going to be there - only solution is to have it cut off...!

[Olivera]

havoc said:

Real kerb-weight of an F-Type (any flavour) is >1,700kg. V8's are c. 1,800kg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_F-Type

So a V6 is 300kg more than the (similarly-practical) Porsche, and close to 300kg more than the TT.

Official unladen EC kerb weight of the F-type V6S auto is 1594kg + options.

911 Carrera PDK unladen EC kerb weight is 1525kg, plus options.

I make that a 69kg difference, not 300kg.

[havoc]

Olivera said:

havoc said:

Real kerb-weight of an F-Type (any flavour) is >1,700kg. V8's are c. 1,800kg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_F-Type

So a V6 is 300kg more than the (similarly-practical) Porsche, and close to 300kg more than the TT.

Official unladen EC kerb weight of the F-type V6S auto is 1594kg + options.

911 Carrera PDK unladen EC kerb weight is 1525kg, plus options.

I make that a 69kg difference, not 300kg.

Trouble is, Jag are well known for 'massaging' the official figures. Have been for a while now, but the UK press turn a blind eye as Jag are a British success story.

A couple of US magazines (i.e. independent assessors not JLR's own published figures) have stuck them on scales and they're actually coming out >1,700kg. Oh, and we were comparing vs the Cayman-S (correct price-point for the V6, just about) not the 911, so it IS 300kg.

Sorry to disappoint, but facts are troublesome things...

[ORD]

F-Types come in at over 1700kg and sometimes well over 1800kg. Utterly embarrassing for a 2 seater.

[Olivera]

havoc said:

Trouble is, Jag are well known for 'massaging' the official figures. Have been for a while now, but the UK press turn a blind eye as Jag are a British success story.

A couple of US magazines (i.e. independent assessors not JLR's own published figures) have stuck them on scales and they're actually coming out >1,700kg. Oh, and we were comparing vs the Cayman-S (correct price-point for the V6, just about) not the 911, so it IS 300kg.

Sorry to disappoint, but facts are troublesome things...

Um no, you're 'facts' are anything but - although I do concede the F-type is too heavy compared to the opposition.

It's well known that all manufacturers (not just Jaguar) manipulate weight figures.

Anyway, the listed unladen weight (EC) figures for a PDK Cayman S (similar power/gearbox to F-type S) are 1,460 kg. SO that's a 134kg difference, again not 300kg. So that's 69kg difference versus equivalent 911, 134kg difference to equivalent Cayman.

[nickfrog]

I wish a car manufacturer could make a sub £40k well engineered mid-engine sports car that is not too heavy, maybe around 1300kgs, 300hp, proper brakes that can cope with track work. Even with a turbo-4; it wouldn't have to be a prestigious brand nor full of gadgets, just 2 decent seats and a boot.

Edited by nickfrog on Monday 28th November 18:45

[TooMany2cvs]

£70k. For a frigging Golf in a frock.
<shakes head, sadly>

[Wayne58]

PhantomPH said:

I can't quite rationalise why people jizz in their pants over the Golf R, but somehow have a real issue with the TT for it's 'golf' underpinnings. Is it just a price thing? I know it was for me when I had the chance of the TTRS a few weeks ago. I just couldn't rationalise the price to a TT - no matter how fast it was.

All 3 of these cars were on my recent list and ironically the personal 'flaws' or compromises for each one, resulted in me actually buying none of them and going for a completely different car segment all together. I think part of that was that I could identify something that didn't sit right with me for each of the cars and in myself I knew those things would niggle during the ownership experience.

But once again, it was great to have the choice. I struggled with the 'what people will think' angle - a symptom of reading this forum I imagine - and this thread very much reads like people who have no chance of any of the cars new (note the "NEW") passing comment as if they are the authority.

Why would you assume folk on here can't have one? Bit of a presumptuous attitude is it not?

[longbow]

nickfrog said:

I wish a car manufacturer could make a sub £40k well engineered mid-engine sports car that is not too heavy, maybe around 1300kgs, 300hp, proper brakes that can cope with track work. Even with a turbo-4; it wouldn't have to be a prestigious brand nor full of gadgets, just 2 decent seats and a boot.[/footnote]

Toyota got pretty close with the MR2 Turbo Rev 3 back in 1994, and for a lot less than £40k.

[akadk]

ORD said:

F-Types come in at over 1700kg and sometimes well over 1800kg. Utterly embarrassing for a 2 seater.

until you own one for a year and it turns out to be the best car you have ever owned ...

[RobDickinson]

I'm pretty sure you would be happy with the ftype or cayman long term, both will be a good drive and excellent cars.

Cant help feeling you would have serious buyers remorse on the TT.

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But not as much as a larger flat six normally aspirated........

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But not as much as a larger flat six normally aspirated........

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But not as much as a larger flat six normally aspirated........