Aggression on the Roads...

[triathlonstu]

deevlash2 said:

Who was the plonker saying "submission grappling" was "jargon"...

You're asking people to Google stuff. Google jargon. 99.9% of the general population* will never even have heard of it.

• May also be referred to as civilians.

Edited by triathlonstu on Thursday 15th December 14:36

[Europa1]

triathlonstu said:

deevlash2 said:

Who was the plonker saying "submission grappling" was "jargon"...

You're asking people to Google stuff. Google jargon. 99.9% of the general population* will never even have heard of it.

• May also be referred to as civilians.

Edited by triathlonstu on Thursday 15th December 14:36

Deevlash: I was the person who said submission grappling was jargon.

To us mere "civilians" or (even more hilariously) "non-combatants", it is jargon.

[anonymous-user]

Dear Diary,

Mission 2,391 accomplished. Had to explain the secret superpower of submission grappling to yet another non-combatant today. Looked pretty stupid holding the wikipedia definition on my iPad against his car window while I yelled obscenities at him. Then the tw*t drove over my foot. Still, he won't do it again.

Juju Tsi (Master)
PS: So excited, just 10 days till Chrimbo!

[WJNB]

Observed last night a most entertaining example of aggression that was penalised. City by-pass, 3 lanes of vehicles at roundabout traffic lights. Inside lane big artic, centre lane Mazda saloon that had undertook several cars in order to be in front alongside the artic & in outside lane BWM SUV. Artic moves off around roundabout & begins to negotiate sharp right exit into a two-lane steep hill. Chump in Mazda so anxious to get ahead of BMW & then past artic before it struggles up the hill didn't notice artic has big overhang which promptly takes out the side of his car leaving it pushed up against the Armco. Artic continues up hill unawares followed by self and others. Unusually for a BMW driver he/she had held back slightly, NOT wanting to be first away, probably anticipating the outcome. Made my night.

[spyder dryver]

Does anyone else feel a little bit frightened?

[xRIEx]

spyder dryver said:

Does anyone else feel a little bit frightened?

No need to be worried, they're superheroes, they're here to protect us civilians. I mean, c'mon, they must be the good guys - they cruise around looking for chances to perform their civic duty!

[alephnull]

This is definitely getting worse. Spent most of my drive home tonight being tailgated by Audi A4s and BMW 3 series. Generally when I move to the outside to glide past slower traffic. When I move back over to the inside/middle lane, they blaze past at 95 mph...How do they not get loads of speeding tickets?

[Wills2]

alephnull said:

This is definitely getting worse. Spent most of my drive home tonight being tailgated by Audi A4s and BMW 3 series. Generally when I move to the outside to glide past slower traffic. When I move back over to the inside/middle lane, they blaze past at 95 mph...How do they not get loads of speeding tickets?

To be fair when I pull out to overtake traffic I look to do it in short order, I don't glide past traffic if I can see cars closing at speed in my rear view mirror.

If you plan to pass, then do it positively and you won't come in to conflict with other traffic.

[Slow]

alephnull said:

This is definitely getting worse. Spent most of my drive home tonight being tailgated by Audi A4s and BMW 3 series. Generally when I move to the outside to glide past slower traffic. When I move back over to the inside/middle lane, they blaze past at 95 mph...How do they not get loads of speeding tickets?

I drive with my cruise at 95 on the motorway, never had a ticket since I passed my test 5 years ago.

Last trip from Inverness to Bury st Edmonds and back (both times during the day/early evening) which is like 600 miles each way and I saw 3 police cars in total. None of which were waiting to catch people, they were just driving at 65 mph.

[Wills2]

deevlash2 said:

Hello, just popping on to say that I know Shane, sort of, via my former hobby of reporting on combat sports for a couple of websites, writing press releases for MMA organisations, interviewing Art Jimmerson, Tom "Kong" Watson, Paul Daley, Rob Sinclair, Bob Sapp, Alex Reid (yep that one), Jack Marshman, Paul "in jail for several years for running a huge drugs ring" Kelly and having done Judo myself for 27 years and represented Scotland briefly in my youth etc etc. (held UFC press credentials)

So anyway, Shanes coming across as a bit OTT here, largely because there seems to be a disconnect for most people between training for say basketball and becoming good at it and fighting and becoming good at it. He's just telling it like it actually is, there's no mythical art to being good at fighting, anyone can learn it, it's not a hard man thing at all, some folk just enjoy it as a hobby, or as a pro like Shane, 4-1 currently I believe, and it DOES translate to the real world should the need arise.

Who was the plonker saying "submission grappling" was "jargon" and that Shane was saying it was akin to a "super power". It's not jargon, google it, just because you're too ignorant to know a sport exists don't let that cloud your judgement and try to come across as clever, you just look silly. Also, it might as well be a super power against an untrained person. Go watch UFC 1, or, do yourselves a favour and pop into an mma gym, or a Judo one, or BJJ, whatever, and ask for a go, it'll be an eye opener.

McDojo Karate places from the 70's teaching useless hokum and pointless dance moves to gullible idiots have a lot to answer for when it comes to peoples perceptions of having a scrap.

He may well be a well trained fighter, but what the hell has that got to do with driving a car?

It's not Mad Max you know.....

Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 18th December 23:54

[sebulban]

TTT

[limpsfield]

sebulban said:

TTT

Why?

[spyder dryver]

Non-civilian code for "Merry Christmas Everyone!" perhaps?

[Blakewater]

sebulban said:

TTT

I'm stumped.

[djohnson]

Ttt = to the top. He's trying to revive the thread.

[sim16v]

TurboHatchback said:

sebulban said:

This was a thread about aggression on the road. I agreed with the OP and commented. I also added that people who have no ability to back things up when it goes violent shouldn't be starting in the first place. Thats it.

This is indeed (or was) a thread about aggression on the road and how to deal with it, the problem here which you haven't addressed is your attitude and approach not your ability. You've admitted to resorting to violence on several occasions on the road, nobody else in this thread has yet here we are, unmurdered and doing fine. I don't question your talents but I do question your judgement, I believe you could have avoided that violence, presumably you chose not to in order to prove a point and because you were confident in your ability just like the other guy(s) irrespective of who was at fault. The implication is that your (most likely justified) faith in your ability to 'win' any confrontation means you don't try as hard as you could to avoid confrontations.

Us 'civilians' who aren't confident in our abilities to out-ninja angry nutters manage by A: deliberately avoiding antagonising anyone (regardless of 'fault') and B: remaining in our locked steel boxes if it happens. Basically if the aim of the thread is to provide advice on how to deal with aggression on the road the answer is to work on your defensive driving and chill out not learn MMA.

sebulban said:

All Ill add to this is as a professional mixed martial artist Ive done my civic duty a fair few times :-)

That is an unfortunate quote that does make you sound like batman, your civic duty is to avoid escalating any situation that could be avoided or diffused and call the police (even if you're Mike Tyson with an Uzi in the glove box and the A-Team on the back seat). The only case for violence is as an absolute last resort to protect yourself or others, how is that ever the case on the road when you're in a car?

This sums it up for me.



Pleased it was revived, i'd have missed the comedy gold!


All the training in the world to make people double hard b*stards that can handle themselves is just doing it wrong.

If you end up having to fight, you've fked up.


And there will always be someone harder/more stupid/prepared to use a bigger weapon than you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc

Edited by sim16v on Sunday 25th December 23:04

[sebulban]

sim16v said:

This sums it up for me.



Pleased it was revived, i'd have missed the comedy gold!


All the training in the world to make people double hard b*stards that can handle themselves is just doing it wrong.

If you end up having to fight, you've fked up.


And there will always be someone harder/more stupid/prepared to use a bigger weapon than you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc

Edited by sim16v on Sunday 25th December 23:04

Only comedy gold because of ignorance and poor reading comprehension and logic.

I TTT partly to see if anymore incidents as clearly I originally posted out of interest.

Let me be clear though I will run away from violence if needed. I have never attacked anyone. Most of my comments are reserved for those scum bags who are intent on violence no matter what. And are encouraged by weakness. Speak to anyone who has been bullied and they will recognise the commentary here. I'm sure some of you posting have been.

People have focused on words like "civilian" and "civic duty" rather than the underlying message. I have demonstrated how the courts have recognised this in the UK. That "duty" is often simply a word or words.

And the straw man of "he may have weapons and always bigger and tougher people" is irrelevant. A trained person is in a far better position and will ruin an untrained person... that fact is not in dispute. Sure someone pulls a gun etc etc.... rarely if ever happens.

The origination of the thread was about increased aggression on the road and I shared the OP sentiments. I also threw out a conversation I've had a lot with gym mates and coaches from other gyms. Conor Mccgregor is a name people are familiar with .... and at a show in Ireland I had the same chat with his coach John kavanagh....if you have no fight training why use violence.... it blows my mind. And my additional comment was with violence you could end up "dead or in a coma..." which is a fair observation. But maybe that was a seperate discussion as majority of people on here seem incapable of any meaningful debate away from mockery and logical fallacies.

I saw first hand many years ago when 10 guys on a night out attacked me and two of my friends in an unprovoked attack... we tried to run away but only two of us escaped one was put in hospital and other lad in intensive care. All guys arrested and all they got were suspended sentences. There are just some people who cannot be negotiated with and only one currency they understand. In a car it's kind of easy to "escape" but we see stories in papers daily where it hasn't happened.

I am thankful for my training and also the rational head it has given me. So when a few altercations over what 20 years have turned violent I have been on the right side of it. It seems the OP has faced some idiots too... and a few other posters. If you have faced nothing that's cool too.

Happy holidays.

[sebulban]

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For what reason?

[TimmyMallett]

Blakewater said:

TTT
I'm stumped.

Troll tempts trashtalk

My favourite so far is

sebulban said:

I'm also half Orcadian so don't need lessons about vikings from people called Julian from Kent

Edited by TimmyMallett on Monday 26th December 12:16

[Timbergiant]

Being an aggressive ahole is seen as acceptable in this country now, from years of football screaming and X factor/big brother and fly on the wall "reality TV", kids get it from an early age and take into adulthood, I've even seen a few incidents of pavement rage.