RE: Subaru Impreza Turbo: Spotted

RE: Subaru Impreza Turbo: Spotted

Tuesday 20th December 2016

Subaru Impreza Turbo: Spotted

It's standard (well, close enough), low mileage and less than £5K - get one while you still can!



It's hard to explain the current fascination with early Subaru Imprezas around PH at the moment. Dan's ongoing love for his Forester STI must have something to do with it, and the BRZ refresh was also a nice reminder that Subaru do interesting fast cars. Why there's a specific focus on early Turbos though, it's difficult to be sure.

Ain't she a beaut?
Ain't she a beaut?
Perhaps it's the fact they're so rare nowadays. Can you remember the last time you saw a first generation Turbo looking this good? The odd badly modified one will be clocked burbling down a high street, but standard cars are largely notable by their scarcity. Moreover, there's a nostalgic appeal as the rally rep is very much an old fast car fad now. In the same way that hot hatches weren't really a thing in the mid-1990s, so the Japanese four-wheel drive saloon largely died out by the middle of the 2000s. Sure, Subaru will still sell you a WRX STI - rather enjoyable it is too - but the widespread appeal, the cult following almost, from enthusiasts is no longer there.

Hence the appeal of cars like these. The Impreza and many of its ilk were famed for their tuning ability, yet here is a car that has survived 16 years with nothing more than a pink STI badge and a stainless steel exhaust. Easily reversible mods, in other words, which would leave you with a standard version of one of the fast car icons. For less than £5K. And you don't need us to tell you how valuable roadgoing versions of successful competition cars currently are.

There's more. It's covered just 70,000 miles, the service history is full and there has been a cambelt change, although the ad doesn't state when. Even the wheelarches are in one piece! And blue with gold will always look good on a four-door Subaru.

Exhaust is the only performance mod
Exhaust is the only performance mod
In fact, it's difficult to think of what similar cars you might buy for the money. Because Evos only ever came to the UK in more powerful variants, it would cost twice the money of this Impreza to get into an Evo VI of any kind. As for other notable performance cars from the era, you'll be doing very well to get any kind of DC2 Integra Type R for less than £5K, leave alone one with so few miles. The Accord Type R is perhaps a more natural fit against the Subaru, and available for less money. Again though, good luck finding one as presentable. Fiat Coupe Turbo? This one has more than twice the miles of the Impreza and is only £1,000 less. There aren't any Mondeo ST200s available, but this ST220 looks good value is fast four-doors are your thing. If Imprezas are your thing though, this has no competition history, no four-wheel drive and is considerably less desirable.

It's difficult to know where the downsides are with this Turbo. Its appetite for fuel will probably be more noticeable in 2016 than it was in 2000, and Dan will tell you how pricey Subaru servicing can be. That being said, Imprezas are slowly but surely appreciating as the market realises how significant they are - in the same way hot hatches were the big thing in the 80s, cars like the Impreza were all the rage in the 90s. Get one now to remind yourself why, and before they're all gone for good!


SUBARU IMPREZA TURBO
Engine
: 1,994cc, 4-cyl boxer turbocharged
Transmission: 5-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 217@5,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 214@4,000rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: 239g/km
First registered: 2000
Recorded mileage: 70,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £4,650

See the original advert here.

 

 

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nicfaz

Original Poster:

432 posts

230 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Great cars. 215bhp doesn't sound like much, but they don't weigh much and have total traction - mine felt pretty fast! They also have that old fashioned turbo rush that makes them feel faster than they actually are. Had to sell mine because the seat had no lumbar and it was crippling me, but fond memories.

MDMA .

8,901 posts

101 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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not many standard ones left now. they got the styling just right with these, no need to mess around with them. V3/4 WRX STI Type RA would be my preferred choice in classic form smile

cbmotorsport

3,065 posts

118 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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The father in law has a Catulunya under a sheet in the barn. It's only done about 25k. It never sees the light of day, which is a shame.

Ryvita

714 posts

210 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Lovely! smile

I wonder whether this one will be coddled and garaged from here, or tweaked and tracked/rallied/time-trialled. Whatever happens it's going to give a good return on investment (either monetarily or in smiles) at that price.

R8Steve

4,150 posts

175 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Sadly it's recent MOT history doesn't make comfortable reading -

MOT history of this vehicle
Test date15 November 2016 Expiry date14 November 2017 Test ResultPass Odometer reading70,170 miles MOT test number9277 0527 7307 Advisory notice item(s)
underside weak
suspension arms corroded
brake pipes coated in grease
nearside front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
nearside rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
front Brake pad(s) wearing thin both sides (3.5.1g)
Test date10 November 2016 Test ResultFail Odometer reading70,165 miles MOT test number8959 7817 2813 Reason(s) for failure
offside Body or chassis has excessive corrosion, seriously affecting its strength within 30cm of the body mountings sill/jacking point (6.1.B.2)
nearside Body or chassis has excessive corrosion, seriously affecting its strength within 30cm of the body mountings sill/jacking point (6.1.B.2)
Advisory notice item(s)
underside weak
suspension arms corroded
brake pipes coated in grease
nearside front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
nearside rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
front Brake pad(s) wearing thin both sides (3.5.1g)
Test date4 November 2015 Expiry date3 November 2016 Test ResultPass Odometer reading69,595 miles MOT test number4870 6874 0356 Advisory notice item(s)
nearside front Macpherson strut corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1)
offside front Macpherson strut corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1)
nearside front Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1)
offside front Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1)
front Brake pad(s) wearing thin (3.5.1g)
front Exhaust has a minor leak of exhaust gases (7.1.2)
front Vehicle structure has slight corrosion (6.1.A.1)
rear Vehicle structure has slight corrosion (6.1.A.1)
Advise brakepipes covered in grease
Test date3 November 2014 Expiry date2 November 2015 Test ResultPass Odometer reading68,257 miles MOT test number2773 3790 4349 Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Offside Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Test date25 October 2014 Test ResultFail Odometer reading68,257 miles MOT test number1391 7839 4236 Reason(s) for failure
Nearside Front position lamp(s) not working (1.1.A.3b)
Nearside Rear Brake pipe inadequately supported (3.6.B.1)
Nearside Rear Subframe mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded (2.4.A.3)
Offside Rear Subframe mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded (2.4.A.3)
Offside Front Seat belt anchorage prescribed area is excessively corroded (5.2.6)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Offside Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)


Like most of the other ones, it's badly suffering from rust.

findlay_MX

113 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Had this out for a blast/trip to the shops last night. It would be staying if I hadn't just bought another Subaru (Brat pick-up) and needs to go before I'm told that if I can have another car she can have another horse...

Leins

9,468 posts

148 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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How does the early 90s Legacy Turbo compare to these? It seemed to get largely forgotten as soon as the Impreza came on the scene

s m

23,233 posts

203 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Leins said:
How does the early 90s Legacy Turbo compare to these? It seemed to get largely forgotten as soon as the Impreza came on the scene
Bigger and slower

em177

3,131 posts

164 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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I think the values of these and equivalent Evo's are only going to be going one way...

framerateuk

2,733 posts

184 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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My dad had one of these new back in the day. Short of the WR1 he had a few years later, this was my favorite Impreza, and probably the best looking one.

Oddly, I spotted it on a Javalin trackday photo album on Facebook last year, nice to see it's still rolling around after all these years!

Guvernator

13,160 posts

165 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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The current trend for uber hot hatches seem to have pretty much killed off the rally rep but these original Subaru's got so many things so right. Light, especially compared to modern cars at around 1200kgs, genuine 4 seat practicality, great suspension which made them handle like they were on rails while still having enough suspension travel and compliance to handle anything our crap UK roads could throw at them. OK they tended towards understeer in standard form but this was very easily fixed.

Best of all a 2 litre turbo engine that was actually exciting to drive, great thump in the back shove, that lovely burble and in STi form, able to rev to over 8krpm. It has character that modern turbo lumps can only dream of.

My pick of the bunch would be a late P1 or the Japanese import Type R because I am a sucker for the two door model as I just think it looks a bit more special plus they come with a few extra trick bits that you don't get on the normal ones but they are at least twice the price of this 4 door. I had a Type R many moons ago and I still miss it.

findlay_MX

113 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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I looked at a heap of these before I bought this one, from £2k to £8k (scabby RB5 territory) and, as much as I wanted an import 2door getting one the spec I wanted was going to be more like £12k. Cars at £2k were needing thousands spent on bodywork, had no history and astronomical mileage. Or they were heavily/badly (delete as appropriate) modified and needing saved/lots of money thrown at them for standard bits (delete as appropriate).

Prices are certainly only going one way.

I read through the MOT history (see above, for anyone that's interested - freely available on t'interwebs) and very nearly didn't even look at it (it was also in Northern Ireland). Fortunately a trader pal of mine said he'd take a look at it for me as it was only a few miles from his garage in Co Antrim. He looked it over, took it for a drive, stuck it up on the ramp and gave it the all clear. My dad popped over for it and took it home for me.

It doesn't disappoint. Like lots of 15+ year old cars, you could refresh the entire suspension, but it doesn't really need it. It's a prefectly useable car as it stands, presented well. I've just not used it enough to justify keeping it.

For all that I've driven it I've certainly enjoyed it. In the absence of suitable child seats it hasn't been used enough and it's too tidy for plodding around like I'll be doing with the Brat. It's also no use for shifting hay bales... The Brat is. And I also had dry storage secured for the winter, which fell through. Maybe just the car gods are conspiring against me keeping it.

R8Steve

4,150 posts

175 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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findlay_MX said:
I looked at a heap of these before I bought this one, from £2k to £8k (scabby RB5 territory) and, as much as I wanted an import 2door getting one the spec I wanted was going to be more like £12k. Cars at £2k were needing thousands spent on bodywork, had no history and astronomical mileage. Or they were heavily/badly (delete as appropriate) modified and needing saved/lots of money thrown at them for standard bits (delete as appropriate).

Prices are certainly only going one way.

I read through the MOT history (see above, for anyone that's interested - freely available on t'interwebs) and very nearly didn't even look at it (it was also in Northern Ireland). Fortunately a trader pal of mine said he'd take a look at it for me as it was only a few miles from his garage in Co Antrim. He looked it over, took it for a drive, stuck it up on the ramp and gave it the all clear. My dad popped over for it and took it home for me.

It doesn't disappoint. Like lots of 15+ year old cars, you could refresh the entire suspension, but it doesn't really need it. It's a prefectly useable car as it stands, presented well. I've just not used it enough to justify keeping it.

For all that I've driven it I've certainly enjoyed it. In the absence of suitable child seats it hasn't been used enough and it's too tidy for plodding around like I'll be doing with the Brat. It's also no use for shifting hay bales... The Brat is. And I also had dry storage secured for the winter, which fell through. Maybe just the car gods are conspiring against me keeping it.
How long have you had it for?

Either you've only had it a couple of weeks or you must have had a significant amount of welding done?

They are great cars, i've had 4 and would love another one but they all seem to be suffering from rust quite badly now.

Yours seems really clean with no rust on the rear arches like most but the 'underside weak' advisory would have me concerned although could very well be an over cautious MOT tester without clarifying what it actually meant.

big_rob_sydney

3,404 posts

194 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Huge Subaru fan. Owned 4 Imprezas, including a 22B for 7 years that I only sold to put down a deposit to help buy a property. I wish I still had it, considering how the values have gone since I sold it.

Anyway, I love the early cars especially. Light weight, good power, and simple to extract more power from as well. Plenty of good aftermarket support here in the UK, so I'd expect anyone could keep theirs running indefinitely. Highly practical, with room to carry 4 adults easily, or 2 adults and 3 kids, along with a big enough boot to travel quite far.

About the only issue I have personally with these is that they dont have 2016 levels of fuel economy, but then they're old cars, arent they? The flip side is, instead of spending £30-40k and getting 30mpg+, you can spend a fraction on purchase price, and the difference buys you quite a lot of fuel, etc. I think you'd be well in front if you bought one of these compared to a modern car.

The other thing I think a lot of people ignore is the sheer fun of these cars. The RB5 in particular came in for high praise with its handling, although again, the aftermarket is always there.

Compare that with modern cars that have dead steering and limited feel, along with electric power steering, and a focus on higher fuel economy, and you wonder if people actually buy cars they enjoy driving any more.

hondansx

4,570 posts

225 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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Perhaps unfair on the car, but my only experience of Subarus is at a Castle Combe trackday. I was looking forward to it, but the WRX was this horrible, understeering thing. I jumped back in my Clio 172 and thought it was considerably better. The STI however was completely different, and much more like what i imagined.

A 22B would be in my lotto garage for sure; gorgeous things.

findlay_MX

113 posts

198 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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R8Steve said:
How long have you had it for?

Either you've only had it a couple of weeks or you must have had a significant amount of welding done?

They are great cars, i've had 4 and would love another one but they all seem to be suffering from rust quite badly now.

Yours seems really clean with no rust on the rear arches like most but the 'underside weak' advisory would have me concerned although could very well be an over cautious MOT tester without clarifying what it actually meant.
I've had it since May. My summer car... that failed to be used in the summer. Meh. I've done, now (including last night's run - which a friend drove half of) less than 200 miles.

I use Station Garage in Kintore, a garage that does a decent MOT (you'll note the advisory for the brake pipes greased - they aren't but my entire extended family get their cars MOT'd there and it's on 90% of advisories!). To hell with having a hookie MOT that bites you in the arse. I was also clear when I dropped it off that the car was to be for sale.

The bodywork is lovely. The interior hasn't been adorned with screw-on pods, chavvy bits or fake dials/"sporty" pedals. Wheels are recently powder coated. Under the bonnet is fresh, no aftermarket stuff (new rad), never drips any oil.

Is it perfect? It's not RSOC show & shine perfect (sorry RSOC - but ramps & mirrors, really?) it is perfectly useable as-is, or a bloody decent starting point for having a few quid sitting in as a thing to be used and enjoyed that you're unlikely to lose anything on?

MDMA .

8,901 posts

101 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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s m said:
Leins said:
How does the early 90s Legacy Turbo compare to these? It seemed to get largely forgotten as soon as the Impreza came on the scene
Bigger and slower
unless you got a Legacy RS type RA smile

http://www.uklegacy.com/forums/index.php/topic/126...

Prohibiting

1,741 posts

118 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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I've owned mine for approx. 2 years. Completely standard bar the Prodrive dealer upgrade exhaust and never been remapped- running the standard 215bhp. But the car only weighs 1240kg and with AWD traction it can get to 0-60 in 5.5-6 seconds, seriously. In the wet it'll beat most modern hot hatches off the line if you're into that stuff. My funniest moment was a young lad in his new GTI golf giving his car some revs at the lights obviously wanting to race and looking over to me. Needless to say I held the revs at 5000 and dropped the clutch and off I shot.... I'll always remember his funny face when we pulled up at the next set of lights. Beaten by a 17 year old saloon!

I had considered getting mine remapped as they'll make 280bhp with a sports cat, fuel pump and filter but I decided against it as I want to enjoy the car as it was intended. God knows why chavs want to ruin them as they look and drive right just the way they are.

All in all the turbo 2000 is a truely fantastic car and I disagree with expensive servicing. It's cheap to service, hardly anything goes wrong and a lot of items you can change yourself.

I've got a readers thread too.










Edited by Prohibiting on Tuesday 20th December 11:23

Guvernator

13,160 posts

165 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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They do have a few weaknesses that people need to be aware of, they rust like most other Japanese cars from that era if not looked after properly and they do have a bit of a reputation for chocolate engines, mostly due to people abusing them or running them on crappy fuel causing det and catastrophic failure on cylinder 3, the Japanese imports are especially prone to this so you need to run them on decent super unleaded or get them remapped.

Most of the cars baring the special edition Type R\RA's also have a propensity to under-steer when pushed hard as part of the default setup but this is quite cheaply solved by fitting uprated sway bars and getting someone who knows what they are doing to do a proper alignment.

The aforementioned Type R\RA's don't really suffer understeer as they have the switch in the cabin which allows you to adjust the centre diff to apportion anything from 65/35 to 50/50 to the front/rear diff bias and in it's default setting, it's surprisingly tail happy and playful for a 4WD car (ask me how I know!)

Edited by Guvernator on Tuesday 20th December 11:35

Shotaro

96 posts

128 months

Tuesday 20th December 2016
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I have a completely standard Turbo 2000 wagon, it was in great condition until February when an old boy in a left-turn-only lane decided to go straight ahead and drove in to the side of it. Gutting