Type R dream ruined. By Honda.

[kambites]

Yeah I don't see why it would have anything to do with the insurance as long as the modification was properly declared.

Using the extra seat might or might not be in breach of Construction and Use regs.

[GC8]

It is more the notion that insurance can be made void at the drop of a hat. It simply cannot.

Insurers attitudes have certainly changed since enforcement gained teeth, but what they can do is controlled by the law and not their whim.

[delta0]

When has a Civic Type R including FD ever had more than 2 rear seats?

[Vyse]

I think the only Type R that has ever had 5 seats is the CL1/CH1/CL7.

[caelite]

GC8 said:

Composite Guru said:

The Type R's have always been 4 seaters from what I'm aware. My EP3 only had two belts in the back ad that was in 2002.

It was classed as a 4 seater so adding the extra seatbelt would void the insurance.

That doesn't happen, because it can't happen.

You know it would be really awesome if we could have a sticky in SP&L, like the towing sticky, explaining and dispelling all these damn insurance myths which are constantly repeated on here. It's really rather difficult for an insurance company to fully wiggle out of a claim, if they could use reasoning like 'Oh he wasn't taxxed/MOTed' or 'His car had a stripe, or a wind deflector, or tinted windows' to void claims then the occasional stories you hear of insurance companies trying it would be massively more widespread.

[Roger Irrelevant]

Speed Badger said:

Anyone else had a car they've been after for ages ruined by a simple or silly thing?

Sort of, and funnily enough it's also a back-seat related thing. I'd really like a Lexus saloon of some sort, preferably an LS but maybe a GS. However, unless I'm very much mistaken none of them have fold-down rear seats which makes an already quite impractical car even more so. I accept, though, that being able to stick a road bike in the back is not high on the priority list of your typical Lexus saloon buyer!

[DanielSan]

Coker said:

designforlife said:

Why not import an FN2 civic type R saloon? They're holding value like crazy (currently sat at around £16k for a fresh import), and pretty sure there's a lap belt in the back.

Reading the original post, he already has an FD2 saloon. FN2 is the hatch.

Neither of which have 3 seats in the back, nor did the EP3 or EK9....

[NordicCrankShaft]

Each to their own but I love the outlandish looks of the type r. Looks very WRC.

[750turbo]

TooMany2cvs said:

greenarrow said:

Just wondered in what ways they've ruined it.

Have you seen one?

Some of us like things a wee bit different though - Is there anything wrong in that?

Never have I owned a car that has attracted so many comments from people, everywhere!

[Toyoda]

Coker said:

designforlife said:

Why not import an FN2 civic type R saloon? They're holding value like crazy (currently sat at around £16k for a fresh import), and pretty sure there's a lap belt in the back.

Reading the original post, he already has an FD2 saloon. FN2 is the hatch.

Exactly. Why do people who have no idea what they're talking about bother to post?!

And if the FD2 doesn't have 3 rear seats I'm not sure why the OP would blindly assume the FK2 would, given that they're both 5 door type R civics!

Edited by Toyoda on Thursday 29th December 17:10

[nickfrog]

750turbo said:

TooMany2cvs said:

greenarrow said:

Just wondered in what ways they've ruined it.

Have you seen one?

Some of us like things a wee bit different though - Is there anything wrong in that?

It is a very good steer, particularly on track. Turn in is impressive. Looks/image is not only subjective but some drivers simply don't care and I don't blame them.

[LuS1fer]

Quite common in sports models. I had similar issues as I have 3 children so had to have 3 seats in the back and that ruled out the Civic Type R and I ended up buying a Fiesta ST. Quite a few suffer from this but the Megane Renaultsport has 3 belts but I couldn't find one.

What irritated me more was that when I was looking at quite big luxury saloons, many have sculpted rear seats and are plainly only comfortable for 2 people and the unlucky 3rd person gets the perch in the middle.

[Patrick1964]

To answer the original question - about ten years ago I spent months researching BMW Z3M coupes. I had the spec I wanted nailed, money in place, approval from my wife. Went to test drive a prospective purchase and simply couldn't get in the thing. Turns out my back is too long.

[J4CKO]

Think you can get the first Focus ST with 4 or 5 seats, the higher spec ones have 4 and the ST 1 has the full set.

[MDMA .]

HayesDC2 said:

Get yourself a Mugen RR FD2!

If you can find one for less than 30k, you're doing well. Crazy prices at the moment.

[tonys]

Same as the OP. Dream ruined. Went to Porsche centre to buy 911GT3. What, no rear seats? . Told the salesman they'd ruined it.

Taught him a lesson, went and bought a Ssangyong Rexton, which does have rear seats, and promptly parked it on their forecourt in full sight of the showroom and made sure he saw it. You should have seen his face. I think it was pure jealousy

[nickfrog]

[AmitG]

I think people are being a bit hard on the OP. I reckon that a lot of people would assume that a Type-R had 5 seats given that the normal Civic has 5 seats, the Type-R bodyshell and interior is basically the same, and the rear seat is a bench seat just like the normal Civic. Feels like a reasonable assumption to make. Type-R enthusiasts might check more closely based on experience of previous models, but IMHO it doesn't feel like the sort of thing that one should automatically know.

OP - I would wait a few months for the new Civic Type-R to be announced. I thought the new Civic looked terrible in the pictures, but I saw one in real life and it's actually quite nice. Not a masterpiece, and admittedly the side profile does look like a Focus rip off, but it's not bad looking.

I nearly bought a Jaguar S-Type R once. 400BHP supercharged V8 at a price that I couldn't ignore. The deal breaker was that whereas in the normal S-Type the rear seats fold down for long loads, in the R version they don't. It was only after going over the spec sheet in great detail that I realised. Even the sales person didn't know.

[Alex_225]

Jonno02 said:

Honda ruined the Type R in far worse ways than removing a back seat.

I did kind of think that. Impressive performance but that exterior is a no from me I'm afraid.

[C.A.R.]

I think this is a very fair assumption given that most other cars I can think of in this company have rear bench seats with belts for 3 occupants.

Golf R
Megane RS275
Focus RS
Cupra 290

All the while some of the above are also available with only 3 doors, yet still able to seat 5. Pretty poor show really!