- The riddle pf the Toyota GT86- the car for purist drivers.
Discussion
Another view on the twins:
http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/01/86-brz-five-ye...
Also I'd love a shooting brake one should they decide to build them 2nd gen.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/01/86-brz-five-ye...
Also I'd love a shooting brake one should they decide to build them 2nd gen.
Pommygranite said:
But it's not - I wanted a RWD 2 door coupe at the price range they are - they were both on my radar - what am I missing?
completely different drives, complementary in some respects.one is about driving and handling finesse, the other has a very powerful, characterful engine. They're opposites in terms of handling & power.
(and no, you can't just put a zed 6 in the 86 without changing the handling.)
i do repeat that they're both worthy cars. Maybe i'm different in that in choosing a car "2 dr coupe" is never a primary search term. "rwd", yes ;-)
I would be choosing by a different criteria, eg track, daily, touring, family, w/end solo driving etc.
TameRacingDriver said:
Flibble said:
You missed the bit where the 370Z is 200 kg heavier, thus even more comprised for handling, fuel, consumables, etc.
More like 300kg heavier if I remember rightGT86: 1247kg with MT.
370Z: 1466kg "base" weight.
Pommygranite said:
But it's not - I wanted a RWD 2 door coupe at the price range they are - they were both on my radar - what am I missing?
They're rather different types of cars; it's a bit like comparing a Mustang GT to an Exige because they both happen to be 2-door coupes of roughly the same price. kambites said:
Pommygranite said:
But it's not - I wanted a RWD 2 door coupe at the price range they are - they were both on my radar - what am I missing?
They're rather different types of cars; it's a bit like comparing a Mustang GT to an Exige because they both happen to be 2-door coupes of roughly the same price. Not everyone does track days and the vast majority of both owners won't. They'll just drive to work and back.
Both cars have the same body type
Both are not too disimilar in price
Both are made in the same country
Both are front engine RWD with the same glass coverage for accessible everyday vision
Both are available in Manual and Auto
Both have essentially the same equipment levels
Both have nearly exactly the same dimensions - the 370 is 25mm longer,70mm wider, 5mm taller and has a 20mm shorter wheelbase - in fact the 86 and 370z are much nearer each other's dimensions and spec than the MX5 that's being discussed on here.
The only difference between the 370z and the 86 is the engine. That's it. In fact they're nearer to each other than the the M4 is to a BMW 340 and they're from the same family!
kambites said:
Sorry, I was thinking in terms of how they drive rather than spec sheets. Yes you're right that if viewed purely on paper, they are quite similar.
Yup. 370z is a nice car for sure. However, their driving dynamics and character is totally different. When you are pushing GT86 it is just getting better when Z goes other direction. They are surprisingly different kind of cars to drive and own. JB! said:
Another view on the twins:
http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/01/86-brz-five-ye...
Also I'd love a shooting brake one should they decide to build them 2nd gen.
I read quite often articles from Speedhunters and Petrolicious but never in pistonheads. In here articles are like New Q5 Released! -type of things but those two sites does write more often about owning a weekend/hobby car and living with it. For example road trips, new parts, modifying, car culture etc. I highly recommend those sites!http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/01/86-brz-five-ye...
Also I'd love a shooting brake one should they decide to build them 2nd gen.
As a discussion board, PH is quite good. There is enough people who are interested about that way of life what owning a classic/sports/gt/track/hobby -car needs. There are all sorts of posters, which is a good thing of course.
In a lot of other markets where road tax and such are calculated based on engine size and/or emissions the GT86 and 370Z aren't anywhere near comparable.
I just had a quick look, and over here in Belgium a 370Z costs over 5 times more to register and tax than a GT86.
For reference, a GT86 is around £800 to register, and about £400 in annual tax over here. You do the math for a 370Z
No wonder I've never spotted a 370Z in the wild.
I just had a quick look, and over here in Belgium a 370Z costs over 5 times more to register and tax than a GT86.
For reference, a GT86 is around £800 to register, and about £400 in annual tax over here. You do the math for a 370Z
No wonder I've never spotted a 370Z in the wild.
CABC said:
Pommygranite said:
But it's not - I wanted a RWD 2 door coupe at the price range they are - they were both on my radar - what am I missing?
completely different drives, complementary in some respects.one is about driving and handling finesse, the other has a very powerful, characterful engine. They're opposites in terms of handling & power.
(and no, you can't just put a zed 6 in the 86 without changing the handling.)
i do repeat that they're both worthy cars. Maybe i'm different in that in choosing a car "2 dr coupe" is never a primary search term. "rwd", yes ;-)
I would be choosing by a different criteria, eg track, daily, touring, family, w/end solo driving etc.
They may subsequently have a preference as to the drive of the car, but 98% of people look for a particular "type" of car in the first instance, then characteristics within that.
LasseV said:
kambites said:
Sorry, I was thinking in terms of how they drive rather than spec sheets. Yes you're right that if viewed purely on paper, they are quite similar.
Yup. 370z is a nice car for sure. However, their driving dynamics and character is totally different. When you are pushing GT86 it is just getting better when Z goes other direction. They are surprisingly different kind of cars to drive and own. But at 8/10ths you'll be making rapid progress already
Sorry to go off the current discussion, but going back to modifications, I thought this video might be of interest to some here who were talking about remaps and tuning.
I am broadly speaking happy with the overall power output of the car, but now I've had it for a few years, would like to do some subtle mods to even out the dip in the torque curve a little and improve the character of the engine a bit, which I agree can be a little lacking. So I'm investigating perhaps a new header and a remap. A new exhaust might come later, but I'm loathe to increase volume, I'd just like a nicer sound, which I gather a header would help with anyway.
I'm not a subscriber to Everyday Driver, but they have done some interesting videos on their long term FRS, and in this one they compare their own (which has a header, exhaust and remap) against a supercharged one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bhnMYvn5S4
I am broadly speaking happy with the overall power output of the car, but now I've had it for a few years, would like to do some subtle mods to even out the dip in the torque curve a little and improve the character of the engine a bit, which I agree can be a little lacking. So I'm investigating perhaps a new header and a remap. A new exhaust might come later, but I'm loathe to increase volume, I'd just like a nicer sound, which I gather a header would help with anyway.
I'm not a subscriber to Everyday Driver, but they have done some interesting videos on their long term FRS, and in this one they compare their own (which has a header, exhaust and remap) against a supercharged one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bhnMYvn5S4
LasseV said:
kambites said:
Sorry, I was thinking in terms of how they drive rather than spec sheets. Yes you're right that if viewed purely on paper, they are quite similar.
Yup. 370z is a nice car for sure. However, their driving dynamics and character is totally different. When you are pushing GT86 it is just getting better when Z goes other direction. They are surprisingly different kind of cars to drive and own. http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discuss...
And the GT86, around 8:50
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11...
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