The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol 3
Discussion
shost said:
Should clarify I'm not talking about dwadling at 55mph, I'm talking about being in lane one or two at 70+ with a vehicle approaching a bit faster or so, approaching a situation where it's obvious I need to overtake and the car behind closing or failing to ease off. Despite indicating well in advance. Often next lane is queue of slightly faster moving cars welded to lane 3 or 4 etc.
So think about it... do i keep waiting at till the mile of traffic behind me has passed lest they have to ease off?
The C4 or whatever it is was a bit slow but had the other vehicles used the lanes properly it wouldn't have happened. Why wasn't the cam car in lane 1 at start of clip?
Is this a serious post?So think about it... do i keep waiting at till the mile of traffic behind me has passed lest they have to ease off?
The C4 or whatever it is was a bit slow but had the other vehicles used the lanes properly it wouldn't have happened. Why wasn't the cam car in lane 1 at start of clip?
You "needing" to overtake doesn't give you the right to stick your indicator on and just change lanes willynilly. Clue is in the name; it's an indicator of what you would like to do. Not a right-of-way giver.
If there's a queue of cars to your right then put your indicator on and STAY IN YOUR LANE until one of them creates a space for you. If that doesn't happen, because they're under no obligation to do so, then you get to stay in your lane and contemplate your pisspoor observational and planning skills. You DO NOT just pull out regardless.
I suggest you never visit Germany's unrestricted autobahns as a driver. See how far that attitude gets you over there.
Edited by Centurion07 on Sunday 16th July 13:51
Bennet said:
shost said:
https://youtu.be/VtDUQFiIqzI
6:32 the cammers driving really annoys me. This happens to me a lot (the C4). I'm happy to cruise in correct lane. So I hate in when lane 3 speed merchants assume that any predictable well indicated trespass in to their lane is like slapping their first born, just because they have to lift from 90mph.
If you're causing people to have to adjust their speed you're doing it wrong. There's no way that was an appropriate lane change. Even if you take the point of view that as long as you're doing 70mph, faster traffic can't complain, the manoeuvre was still too late. He cuts in to the camera car's safety space.6:32 the cammers driving really annoys me. This happens to me a lot (the C4). I'm happy to cruise in correct lane. So I hate in when lane 3 speed merchants assume that any predictable well indicated trespass in to their lane is like slapping their first born, just because they have to lift from 90mph.
shost said:
Try driving in the continent. If you indicate to merge in. And accelerate it's fine. Do that here and drivers like you go mental.
What that clip shows and what your initial post talks about is changing lanes into someone's space.There is a world of difference between changing lanes whilst accelerating in a safe manner and just barging into another lane causing someone else to slow down.
It IS NOT acceptable to change lanes and cause another driver to have to brake in order to accomodate you, even if you're accelerating up to speed. You either wait till it's clear or you match the other lane's speed and then merge.
Centurion07 said:
shost said:
Should clarify I'm not talking about dwadling at 55mph, I'm talking about being in lane one or two at 70+ with a vehicle approaching a bit faster or so, approaching a situation where it's obvious I need to overtake and the car behind closing or failing to ease off. Despite indicating well in advance. Often next lane is queue of slightly faster moving cars welded to lane 3 or 4 etc.
So think about it... do i keep waiting at till the mile of traffic behind me has passed lest they have to ease off?
The C4 or whatever it is was a bit slow but had the other vehicles used the lanes properly it wouldn't have happened. Why wasn't the cam car in lane 1 at start of clip?
Is this a serious post?So think about it... do i keep waiting at till the mile of traffic behind me has passed lest they have to ease off?
The C4 or whatever it is was a bit slow but had the other vehicles used the lanes properly it wouldn't have happened. Why wasn't the cam car in lane 1 at start of clip?
You "needing" to overtake doesn't give you the right to stick your indicator on and just change lanes willynilly. Clue is in the name; it's an indicator of what you would like to do. Not a right-of-way giver.
If there's a queue of cars to your right then put your indicator on and STAY IN YOUR LANE until one of them creates a space for you. If that doesn't happen, because they're under no obligation to do so, then you get to stay in your lane and contemplate your pisspoor observational and planning skills. You DO NOT just pull regardless.
I suggest you never visit Germany's unrestricted autobahns as a driver. See how far that attitude gets you over there.
It's like when I'm cycling on single carriage way road and have to pass a parked car and there is a car behind me following but obviously faster.
I view it as the same situation. I have to overtake the parked car. It's obvious. I can indicate. But I'm going to do it. The car behind me is overtaking or about to overtake me. And cannot assume priority or expect me to stop. They will be forced to reduce speed. But that is called traffic conditions. The clip above is essentially the same if not the best example of the point I'm trying to make.
Which is why multi lane motorways grind to a halt as no one's wants to risk lane discipline for not being 'let' back in.
Edit: I'm also not talking about forcing into a gap that doesn't exist, chopping across etc etc. Smooth indicated early lane changes being blocked by acceleration or inability to 'lift'
I view it as the same situation. I have to overtake the parked car. It's obvious. I can indicate. But I'm going to do it. The car behind me is overtaking or about to overtake me. And cannot assume priority or expect me to stop. They will be forced to reduce speed. But that is called traffic conditions. The clip above is essentially the same if not the best example of the point I'm trying to make.
Which is why multi lane motorways grind to a halt as no one's wants to risk lane discipline for not being 'let' back in.
Edit: I'm also not talking about forcing into a gap that doesn't exist, chopping across etc etc. Smooth indicated early lane changes being blocked by acceleration or inability to 'lift'
Edited by shost on Sunday 16th July 14:09
Centurion07 said:
The onus is on YOU as the one making the lane change to ensure it's safe to do so.
If you cause another driver to have to slow then you've failed in that regard. The speed of the upcoming traffic is irrelevant.
Agreed. If you cause another driver to have to slow then you've failed in that regard. The speed of the upcoming traffic is irrelevant.
Morons who cut across to the outside lane without using their mirrors as soon as they leave the slip road are an accident waiting to happen. They are normally the same idiots who stay in the outside lane until they reach their exit, regardless of whether they are actually overtaking anything.
shost said:
It's like when I'm cycling on single carriage way road and have to pass a parked car and there is a car behind me following but obviously faster.
I view it as the same situation. I have to overtake the parked car. It's obvious. I can indicate. But I'm going to do it. The car behind me is overtaking me. And cannot assume priority or expect me to stop. They will be forced to reduce speed. But that is called traffic conditions. The clip above is essentially the same if not the best example of the point I'm trying to make.
Which is why multi lane motorways grind to a halt as no one's wants to risk lane discipline for not being 'let' back in.
It's absolutely not the same situation at all, by any definition, legal or otherwise. I view it as the same situation. I have to overtake the parked car. It's obvious. I can indicate. But I'm going to do it. The car behind me is overtaking me. And cannot assume priority or expect me to stop. They will be forced to reduce speed. But that is called traffic conditions. The clip above is essentially the same if not the best example of the point I'm trying to make.
Which is why multi lane motorways grind to a halt as no one's wants to risk lane discipline for not being 'let' back in.
Not only that but as a very vulnerable squishy bag of flesh versus 1.5 tonnes of speeding metal, you would have to be an absolute retard to have the mindest of "f
k the car behind me, I'm overtaking this parked car regardless of if I make him slow down or swerve". Centurion07 said:
shost said:
It's like when I'm cycling on single carriage way road and have to pass a parked car and there is a car behind me following but obviously faster.
I view it as the same situation. I have to overtake the parked car. It's obvious. I can indicate. But I'm going to do it. The car behind me is overtaking me. And cannot assume priority or expect me to stop. They will be forced to reduce speed. But that is called traffic conditions. The clip above is essentially the same if not the best example of the point I'm trying to make.
Which is why multi lane motorways grind to a halt as no one's wants to risk lane discipline for not being 'let' back in.
It's absolutely not the same situation at all, by any definition, legal or otherwise. I view it as the same situation. I have to overtake the parked car. It's obvious. I can indicate. But I'm going to do it. The car behind me is overtaking me. And cannot assume priority or expect me to stop. They will be forced to reduce speed. But that is called traffic conditions. The clip above is essentially the same if not the best example of the point I'm trying to make.
Which is why multi lane motorways grind to a halt as no one's wants to risk lane discipline for not being 'let' back in.
Not only that but as a very vulnerable squishy bag of flesh versus 1.5 tonnes of speeding metal, you would have to be an absolute retard to have the mindest of "f
k the car behind me, I'm overtaking this parked car regardless of if I make him slow down or swerve". What should a cyclist do if they reach a parked car? Stop and wait to be allowed to go round it?
Have you passed a driving test?
shost said:
Smooth indicated early lane changes being blocked by acceleration...
Other driver is a dick. Still not a good idea to just force the move anyway, is it?shost said:
...or inability to 'lift'
Once again, sticking your indicator on and wanting to change lanes does not mean other drivers have to do ANYTHING to accomodate you. It is literally that simple. Unless I've missed something here?shost said:
Please explain how it's not a similar situation, where it states that's illegal and...
1. It's not a motorway.2. You are not changing lanes
3. The speed limit is unlikely to be anywhere near 70mph.
4. The car behind is already having to move over to go round the same car.
shost said:
What should a cyclist do if they reach a parked car? Stop and wait to be allowed to go round it?
If they carry out appropriate checks and determine the move would be unsafe due to following traffic then ABSOBLOODYLUTELY!! Rightly or wrongly, if you as a cyclist choose to argue with a car "just because I have the right" then you deserve to get run over.shost said:
Have you passed a driving test?
Yep. I have my doubts whether you have.Centurion07 said:
shost said:
Please explain how it's not a similar situation, where it states that's illegal and...
1. It's not a motorway. - it's still a road2. You are not changing lanes - still moving position on road with space
3. The speed limit is unlikely to be anywhere near 70mph. - the vectors are in same direction
4. The car behind is already having to move over to go round the same car. - same as cycling situation
shost said:
What should a cyclist do if they reach a parked car? Stop and wait to be allowed to go round it?
If they carry out appropriate checks and determine the move would be unsafe due to following traffic then ABSOBLOODYLUTELY!! Rightly or wrongly, if you as a cyclist choose to argue with a car "just because I have the right" then you deserve to get run over.Terrible attitude. I'll assume you are just trolling if you think that. Obviously not talking about a speeding distracted dangerous driver i wouldn't put myself in harm but do you seriously think that I should stop my bike to let sir drive past without delay?
shost said:
Have you passed a driving test?
Yep. I have my doubts whether you have.my comments in bold
Edited by shost on Sunday 16th July 15:02
shost said:
..stuff...
If you cause another driver to slow or alter their course other than in the normal course of driving, then you fked up. It really is that simple.There is no "other drivers HAVE to accomodate my overtaking manoeuvre".
Furthermore, if you have that attitude as a cyclist, where you don't have the protection of a large metal box with lots of airbags and other safety features, then you going to come a cropper sooner rather than later.
Feel free to point out anything in the HC that contradicts what I'm saying. Actually, don't bother. You won't find it. There is no grey area here. If it's not safe to change lanes then you don't do it. Despite what you would like the case to be.
I'm taking my theory test and have been revising the hazard perception stuff as a result and had a thought, the DVSA could just at these dashcam videos to that part of the test as a case of what not to do, nearly every one of those UK Exposed videos could have been avoided if they cammers weren't trying around with no regard for anyone else.
Nardiola said:
I'm taking my theory test and have been revising the hazard perception stuff as a result and had a thought, the DVSA could just at these dashcam videos to that part of the test as a case of what not to do, nearly every one of those UK Exposed videos could have been avoided if they cammers weren't trying around with no regard for anyone else.
I've had dash cams in my van, car and wife's car for the last 3-4 years , I can count on one hand the videos I've uploaded , these warriors are the sort of people that rather than braking to avoid an incident head straight for it so they can act the injured party for the footage.Most of these clips are the kind of driving you see every day if you drive for a living
wack said:
I've had dash cams in my van, car and wife's car for the last 3-4 years , I can count on one hand the videos I've uploaded , these warriors are the sort of people that rather than braking to avoid an incident head straight for it so they can act the injured party for the footage.
Most of these clips are the kind of driving you see every day if you drive for a living
Or if you just do a lot of driving. Some of those clips... OK, they fMost of these clips are the kind of driving you see every day if you drive for a living
d up. I can't count the number of times I've had to slow down for some numpty. It's annoying, and if they were on a driving test, they'd fail with a serious fault. But it's only dangerous if you don't react. If some of these cammers reacted, they'd have to slow down by about 2 mph. It's just not worth the hastle.Solocle said:
wack said:
Most of these clips are the kind of driving you see every day if you drive for a living
Or if you just do a lot of driving.
Centurion07 said:
The onus is on YOU as the one making the lane change to ensure it's safe to do so.
If you cause another driver to have to slow then you've failed in that regard. The speed of the upcoming traffic is irrelevant.
Nothing wrong with making progress, but when doing so the onus is also to do so safely.If you cause another driver to have to slow then you've failed in that regard. The speed of the upcoming traffic is irrelevant.
The move was a s
tty move, but entirely predictable and the approaching driver failed to anticipate it, then got shirty, because of his own failure.Nil points for both of them in my book.
Centurion07 said:
shost said:
..stuff...
If you cause another driver to slow or alter their course other than in the normal course of driving, then you fked up. It really is that simple...............l
Feel free to point out anything in the HC that contradicts what I'm saying. Actually, don't bother. You won't find it. There is no grey area here. If it's not safe to change lanes then you don't do it. Despite what you would like the case to be.
Would love to hear how you stand when the car you "force to brake" when changing lanes was driving above the limit, especially if contact ensues.
Please driving god, share your wealth of driving experience with us, especially the legal bits and HC bits. You're clearly quite the expert.
I have my mat rolled out in readiness to praise.......
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Standard PH driving god.
Would love to hear how you stand when the car you "force to brake" when changing lanes was driving above the limit, especially if contact ensues.
Please driving god, share your wealth of driving experience with us, especially the legal bits and HC bits. You're clearly quite the expert.
I have my mat rolled out in readiness to praise.......
I read that as somewhat supporting my argument!Would love to hear how you stand when the car you "force to brake" when changing lanes was driving above the limit, especially if contact ensues.
Please driving god, share your wealth of driving experience with us, especially the legal bits and HC bits. You're clearly quite the expert.
I have my mat rolled out in readiness to praise.......
For the driving god please see HC Rule 267 which states you shouldn't cut in and should match speed. No where does it state you must wait for the vehicle overtaking you to allow you to overtake. Nor does it state you must not cause another car to lift off.
Rule 264 also states should keep left unless overtaking.
So surely this driving God's decree he'd rather I sit in lane 3 at 74mph so that I don't have to make a manoeuvre that slows him down. Only wait... this will slow him down...
Also if I must never ever ever make another vehicle slow down or alter there course how do I turn into a narrow 90 deg side road with him behind me?? Maybe I should do laps until I find clear space...
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