The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol 3

[Alucidnation]

Oh, do bore off.

[Centurion07]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Would love to hear how you stand when the car you "force to brake" when changing lanes was driving above the limit, especially if contact ensues.

Seriously?

If a collision occurs because you change lanes into the path of a following car, unless that car was doing a ridiculous speed, and by ridiculous I mean a speed well north of 100mph, then by definition it was not clear and safe for you to change lanes.

Mirror: use your mirrors to ascertain the number, position & most importantly, SPEED of any vehicles around you.

Signal: once you've done step 1, signal your intention.

Manoeuvre: make sure it is still safe to carry out your intended move.

shost said:

For the driving god please see HC Rule 267 which states you shouldn't cut in and should match speed. No where does it state you must wait for the vehicle overtaking you to allow you to overtake. Nor does it state you must not cause another car to lift off.



Also if I must never ever ever make another vehicle slow down or alter there course how do I turn into a narrow 90 deg side road with him behind me?? Maybe I should do laps until I find clear space...

Clearly you missed the bit where I said "not cause another vehicle to slow or alter it's course OTHER THAN IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF DRIVING i.e. slowing to make a turn etc etc.

As for the bit in bold, that is the very definition of a "fk you, I'm doing what I want". Which of course you will no doubt claim is what the "speeding" car in lane 3 is doing by forcing you to wait until he's past. Except he's already established in that lane. YOU are the one wishing to make a lane change and, at the risk of pointlessly repeating myself as you're clearly hard of understanding, the onus is on YOU AS THE ONE MAKING THE LANE CHANGE.

That rule states: "Do not overtake unless you are sure it is safe and legal to do so. Overtake only on the right. You should check your mirrors, take time to judge the speeds correctly, make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out".

It cannot be any clearer.

I can't help it if your reading and comprehension skills don't allow you to understand what that means.

[Wiccan of Darkness]

shost said:

I suspect you probably haven't read the highway code that recently...
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Personally, I prefer to refer to the road traffic act, as legislation generally trumps the good housekeeping guide.

I refer to the road traffic act (1988) section 1 (3ZA) Paragraph 4

The Law said:

A person is to be regarded as driving without reasonable consideration for other persons only if those persons are inconvenienced by his driving.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/sectio...

"Read the highway code" I suggest you read the road traffic act.

[shost]

Centurion07 said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Would love to hear how you stand when the car you "force to brake" when changing lanes was driving above the limit, especially if contact ensues.

Seriously?

If a collision occurs because you change lanes into the path of a following car, unless that car was doing a ridiculous speed, and by ridiculous I mean a speed well north of 100mph, then by definition it was not clear and safe for you to change lanes.

Mirror: use your mirrors to ascertain the number, position & most importantly, SPEED of any vehicles around you.

Signal: once you've done step 1, signal your intention.

Manoeuvre: make sure it is still safe to carry out your intended move.

shost said:

For the driving god please see HC Rule 267 which states you shouldn't cut in and should match speed. No where does it state you must wait for the vehicle overtaking you to allow you to overtake. Nor does it state you must not cause another car to lift off.



Also if I must never ever ever make another vehicle slow down or alter there course how do I turn into a narrow 90 deg side road with him behind me?? Maybe I should do laps until I find clear space...

Clearly you missed the bit where I said "not cause another vehicle to slow or alter it's course OTHER THAN IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF DRIVING i.e. slowing to make a turn etc etc.

As for the bit in bold, that is the very definition of a "fk you, I'm doing what I want". Which of course you will no doubt claim is what the "speeding" car in lane 3 is doing by forcing you to wait until he's past. Except he's already established in that lane. YOU are the one wishing to make a lane change and, at the risk of pointlessly repeating myself as you're clearly hard of understanding, the onus is on YOU AS THE ONE MAKING THE LANE CHANGE.

That rule states: "Do not overtake unless you are sure it is safe and legal to do so. Overtake only on the right. You should check your mirrors, take time to judge the speeds correctly, make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out".

It cannot be any clearer.

I can't help it if your reading and comprehension skills don't allow you to understand what that means.

Quite the point. Cam car established in lane 3. There in lies the problem. He is overtaking through. Tough one because rule 167 does indeed stare you must not force another vehicle to swerve or slow down when overtaking. But they are both overtaking. Oh god what do we do.

Fair cop about the side road comment must have missed the "other than in normal course of driving" I.e overtaking a slow moving HGV?

[shost]

Wiccan of Darkness said:

shost said:

I suspect you probably haven't read the highway code that recently...
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Personally, I prefer to refer to the road traffic act, as legislation generally trumps the good housekeeping guide.

I refer to the road traffic act (1988) section 1 (3ZA) Paragraph 4

The Law said:

A person is to be regarded as driving without reasonable consideration for other persons only if those persons are inconvenienced by his driving.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/sectio...

"Read the highway code" I suggest you read the road traffic act.

Haha fair point but what's inconvinienced!? I need definitions?!

Can you argue inconvenienced it a move cost you half a second?

[Bennet]

shost said:

Haha fair point but what's inconvinienced!? I need definitions?!

Example here: https://youtu.be/VtDUQFiIqzI?t=393

[shost]

Bennet said:

Example here: https://youtu.be/VtDUQFiIqzI?t=393

I suppose he did lose train of thought on his phone call...

[Chris Stott]

shost said:

It's like when I'm cycling on single carriage way road and have to pass a parked car and there is a car behind me following but obviously faster.

I view it as the same situation. I have to overtake the parked car. It's obvious. I can indicate. But I'm going to do it. The car behind me is overtaking or about to overtake me. And cannot assume priority or expect me to stop. They will be forced to reduce speed. But that is called traffic conditions. The clip above is essentially the same if not the best example of the point I'm trying to make.

Which is why multi lane motorways grind to a halt as no one's wants to risk lane discipline for not being 'let' back in.

Edit: I'm also not talking about forcing into a gap that doesn't exist, chopping across etc etc. Smooth indicated early lane changes being blocked by acceleration or inability to 'lift'

Edited by shost on Sunday 16th July 14:09

Not the same at all.

In your example, the car and the bike are both sharing the same lane. The clip shows a car entering another lane.

[Pica-Pica]

wack said:

Nardiola said:

I'm taking my theory test and have been revising the hazard perception stuff as a result and had a thought, the DVSA could just at these dashcam videos to that part of the test as a case of what not to do, nearly every one of those UK Exposed videos could have been avoided if they cammers weren't trying around with no regard for anyone else.

I've had dash cams in my van, car and wife's car for the last 3-4 years , I can count on one hand the videos I've uploaded , these warriors are the sort of people that rather than braking to avoid an incident head straight for it so they can act the injured party for the footage.

Most of these clips are the kind of driving you see every day if you drive for a living

Agree. Most of these situations are clearly observable in advance, and occur daily. It is often quite easy to see the situation some road users are about to get themselves into, give them the space, and they don't even know you have saved them an incident. Occasionally (just occasionally!) you can blind spot them, and give them a fright!

[FreeLitres]

Sorry to interrupt the debate regarding sections of the highway code, but here is another video of bad driving;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ERnE2u5aI

[FreeLitres]

Guy with anger management issues wearing company polo shirt. The biker did nothing wrong from what I could see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMufS4zBk3Q

Apparently, people are leaving bad company reviews of ILLUMNI Electrical Contractors on the back of his aggresive actions. tut tut.

[Solocle]

shost said:

Should clarify I'm not talking about dwadling at 55mph, I'm talking about being in lane one or two at 70+ with a vehicle approaching a bit faster or so, approaching a situation where it's obvious I need to overtake and the car behind closing or failing to ease off. Despite indicating well in advance. Often next lane is queue of slightly faster moving cars welded to lane 3 or 4 etc.

So think about it... do i keep waiting at till the mile of traffic behind me has passed lest they have to ease off?

The C4 or whatever it is was a bit slow but had the other vehicles used the lanes properly it wouldn't have happened. Why wasn't the cam car in lane 1 at start of clip?

Here's what you do. You look ahead of you, anticipate needing to overtake, and slot into a gap in L3! It's not rocket science.
If you don't anticipate, if it were single carriageway, you wouldn't just swerve offside and expect oncoming traffic to accommodate you (I hope!). Same here. You slow down, drop back, and prepare an overtake manoeuvrer. Hint: DROP BACK. Spot a gap. Use the go go pedal to match speed with said gap. Pull into said gap. You are now in said lane.

http://www.learners-guide.co.uk/lessons/dual-carri...

Edited by Solocle on Monday 17th July 01:10

[shost]

Chris Stott said:

Not the same at all.

In your example, the car and the bike are both sharing the same lane. The clip shows a car entering another lane.

Why can't the motorway space be shared to allow all to get on with their journey?

Solocle said:

Here's what you do. You look ahead of you, anticipate needing to overtake, and slot into a gap in L3! It's not rocket science.
If you don't anticipate, if it were single carriageway, you wouldn't just swerve offside and expect oncoming traffic to accommodate you (I hope!). Same here. You slow down, drop back, and prepare an overtake manoeuvrer. Hint: DROP BACK. Spot a gap. Use the go go pedal to match speed with said gap. Pull into said gap. You are now in said lane.

http://www.learners-guide.co.uk/lessons/dual-carri...

Edited by Solocle on Monday 17th July 01:10

I read that link, and I do all that. You guys are not seeing is that being in the outside lane means you are overtaking too. It's not you own the lane, established etc. You shouldn't hog the overtaking lane like a God given right. By your reckonining on the car ahead in line, just because they are keeping left, has to sit at 55mph behind the lorry they anticipated in third gear waiting for a queue of cars doing 80 who didn't move back to left lane to all pass as they are established in the lane.

The moment the indicator goes on to aim a gap once speed matched. 9 times out of 10 the car behind will accelerate further to close gap. If I'm overtaking and see a slightly slower vehicle with indicator on approaching a slower vehicle in lane to my left I'll let them move in front of me. It costs a few seconds at worst. Do I hate those who indicate and change lanes at same time in random unpredictable movements? Yes. Because I can't anticipate and have to be "inconvenienced" by jumping on the brakes.

We all moan about lane hoggers? Ask yourself why do drivers do that? Fear of not being able to overtake the next slow vehicle as no one will let them 'back in' is high up the list.

Edited by shost on Monday 17th July 07:48

[Centurion07]

shost said:

I read that link, and I do all that. You guys are not seeing is that being in the outside lane means you are overtaking too. It's not you own the lane, established etc. You shouldn't hog the overtaking lane like a God given right. By your reckonining on the car ahead in line, just because they are keeping left, has to sit at 55mph behind the lorry they anticipated in third gear waiting for a queue of cars doing 80 who didn't move back to left lane to all pass as they are established in the lane.

NONE of which gives you the right to make an unsafe move.

Listen to yourself; "there is no gap available so I'm just going to force my way into faster-moving traffic". I can guarantee if a collision occured in those circumstances YOU would be found to be at fault.

There is a way to "create" a gap for yourself in faster-moving traffic, but from the sounds of it you don't know how to do it.

shost said:

The moment the indicator goes on to aim a gap once speed matched. 9 times out of 10 the car behind will accelerate further to close gap. If I'm overtaking and see a slightly slower vehicle with indicator on approaching a slower vehicle in lane to my left I'll let them move in front of me. It costs a few seconds at worst. Do I hate those who indicate and change lanes at same time in random unpredictable movements? Yes. Because I can't anticipate and have to be "inconvenienced" by jumping on the brakes.

9 out of 10 times? Really?

If you're being blocked by 9 out of 10 drivers, maybe the problem isn't them?

I reckon what probably happens is one of two things; you don't put your indicator on in enough time to allow them to register it and "create" your gap OR, and I think this is more likely given what you've said so far and your opinion that the car in the clip did nothing wrong, is that your observations and planning are so pisspoor that you don't identify a suitable gap, end up having to back off from the car you're about to overtake and thus it LOOKS like people are speeding up and blocking you when in fact they're just maintaining their speed.

I'm pretty sure I do more miles than most and whilst I accept my experiences aren't going to be true for 100% of drivers 100% of the time, being genuinely DELIBERATELY blocked in on motorways happens less than 1% of the time.

As I said, nine out of ten points to another issue.

[edo]

give it a rest ffs

[Centurion07]

Don't like it? Don't read it. Not hard is it?

[StuTheGrouch]

I'd rather see more videos. Discuss the highway code with each other somewhere else

[Wiccan of Darkness]

Lets have this one then, uploaded yesterday whilst everyone else was bickering and willy waving....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_U7WT1oZIY

[ashleyman]

Wiccan of Darkness said:

Lets have this one then, uploaded yesterday whilst everyone else was bickering and willy waving....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_U7WT1oZIY

4:16 - made me laugh, that he was straight out and taking photos.

[robbiekhan]

hornetrider said:

I'm not 100% sure but pretty sure we've been discussing that for a few pages.

I'm not 100% sure but you might be right.