RE: Audi S4 Avant: PH Fleet

RE: Audi S4 Avant: PH Fleet

Tuesday 24th January 2017

Audi S4 Avant: PH Fleet

A new year and a new fast Audi joins the PH Fleet - can it justify a £50K asking price?



We're now more than 20 years into Audi A4 history, with the current B9 car the fifth generation of Audi's eponymous compact exec. We're five generations into the S4 also, the original twin-turbo V6 replaced by a V8 for two models, then a supercharged V6 and now a turbo V6 again. Above the S4 has often sat an RS4 too, either as an estate-only icon, the surprising B7 or the less revered B8.

We promise to test out that big boot too
We promise to test out that big boot too
And that's the S4's issue, isn't it? It's not the full Audi Sport range-topper, but neither is it a regular (and much cheaper) A4. On occasion this has made it the pick of the range - Chris Harris was a big fan of the previous generation, for example - but on others it's found itself harder to recommend, struggling to carve out a proper niche for itself. With the next RS4 set to use an evolution of this car's engine too, now is the time for the S4 to establish itself as a proper performance wagon.

The current fast Audi situation augurs well for this car, despite some less appealing offerings in recent memory. Audi has been on a bit of a roll with the S models of late; both the S1 and S3 are great cars. Initial impressions are that it's absolutely on the right track with the S4 too.

Read more: Audi S4 Avant (2017) Review

Firstly, the looks are spot on. Aside from a few too many shiny bits it looks like a regular A4, which is perfect for discreet performance motoring and we love a Q-car here at PH. Unfortunately 'our' car is covered in less-than-subtle Misano Red paint, but we plan to combat that by not cleaning it very often.

Well of course it looks snazzy
Well of course it looks snazzy
Audi appears to have gone after everyday usability as a priority for the S4, leaving the door wide open for a presumably more focused RS4. The new V6 turbo - named EA383, if you're interested - is physically smaller and lighter than the old supercharged EA387, with a host of tech to boost power and torque as well. Headline figures are 354hp and 369lb ft, the latter at just 1,370rpm. That torque peak is evident very early on, making for a car that's incredibly smooth and easygoing with a genuinely impressive turn of speed in any gear and at any engine speed.

Talking of gear selection, the car no longer sports the dual-clutch S-Tronic 'box of the old car. Instead it now comes with an eight-speed torque converter auto, intended to make the car more pleasant for everyday driving; that and the fact that the older dual-clutch unit perhaps couldn't quite handle the increased torque of this new V6. Whether deliberate or a happy coincidence we may never know, but it seems to suit the car well.

As you'd expect from a performance Audi, all four corners are driven courtesy of a Torsen torque sensing four-wheel drive system. Under normal conditions the car has a 40:60 front-rear split but up to 70 per cent of the engine power can now be sent to the front or up to 85 per cent to the rear. A sport differential - which can alter the amount of drive to each rear wheel - is also available as an option, and happily it is one that is fitted to our car.

Predictably swish in here too
Predictably swish in here too
The Audi Drive Select system is standard, but its configurability is extended here courtesy of the optional Adaptive 'S' Sport suspension. In theory this will allow us to tailor it to suit the conditions by offering a broad range between the Dynamic and Comfort settings, with many combinations in between thanks to the Individual mode.

In addition to all of this, Audi has created - surprise, surprise - a genuinely superb interior complete with some of the finest seats I've ever had the pleasure of sitting in. Admittedly it is early days but I found them instantly comfortable, and how can you not like a seat that gives you a massage? And whilst you're sitting comfortably you can enjoy the view of the snazzy and seemingly endlessly configurable 'Virtual Cockpit' arrangement first seen in the TT.

All of which adds up to what is, on first impressions at least, a very nice car indeed. Which you most probably expected. But who is it aimed at?

Where's that 340i Touring then?
Where's that 340i Touring then?
I've long held the belief that too many people in the UK, and I include myself in this, buy everyday cars that are too 'sporty' for our needs. Whether this is down to us genuinely trying to prioritise the two per cent of the time that you have a chance to actually drive a car dynamically, or if it is just an ego and image thing, I don't know. But what I do know is that it would make far more sense to buy a car that is capable of being comfortable and relaxing 98 per cent of the time, but is still fast and able to deliver just enough driving thrills when you eventually find yourself off the motorway and without family onboard.

Time will tell whether Audi have achieved this with the S4, but we've got six months to find out. First test? Family errands with both Dan and I, to test how practical it is. But there's fun stuff planned too!


FACT SHEET
Car
: 2016 Audi S4 Avant
On fleet since
: January 2017
Mileage:
List price new: £44,415 (As tested £49,770 comprising Misano Red paint for £645, Quattro sport with Sport Differential for £1,200, 19-inch diamond cut wheels for £550, Light and Vision pack for £750, Adaptive S Sport suspension with damping control for £900, Audi phonebox with wireless charging for £325 and on the road costs of £985)
Last month at a glance: Wouldn't you know, a new fast Audi makes a good first impression...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Photos: Chris Teagles]


Author
Discussion

crashley

Original Poster:

1,568 posts

180 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Fantastic i'm sure as this is, i know i'd be wishing i had the RS4. For that reason i'll have to persevere with Audi's frustrating lack of official guidance! I do wonder if the new RS4 will finally allow a tow-bar though, as you can spec with these.

Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Some dude in Germany has just put a ~1000bhp turbo in one of these. Goes like stink.

Chiefbadger

417 posts

198 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Interested to hear your thoughts - particularly a direct comparison to the b8.5 in terms of overall ownership proposition. I love my 8.5 but the interior (and noise) of the B9 are very appealing. Just not entirely convinced by the new ZF as I think the s tronic really works with the S4. They also seem a pricey proposition at the moment compared to the outgoing model but I'm still tempted. . .

culpz

4,884 posts

112 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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I didn't realise the B9 S4 had even been released yet? I certainly hadn't seen anything from the press about it or any initial release dates and etc. Maybe i need to pay attention more...


BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,062 posts

98 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Interesting that Audi, who are traditionally at the forefront of VAG technology trends, are switching from a DSG "back" to a torque converter.

You hear lots of stories about troubles with the DSG units, especially the dry sump ones. Even those that work "as supposed" seem to struggle to pull cleanly from rest ( into, say a roundabout ). Although I have never driven one for a great period of time, I have often wondered what, if any, advantage they offer against a more proven torque converter unit, such as the 8 speed ZF box.

Will be interesting to see if this change starts to filter out through the rest of the VAG range - it has certainly stopped me from buying their products in the past....

Krikkit

26,529 posts

181 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
You hear lots of stories about troubles with the DSG units, especially the dry sump ones. Even those that work "as supposed" seem to struggle to pull cleanly from rest ( into, say a roundabout ). Although I have never driven one for a great period of time, I have often wondered what, if any, advantage they offer against a more proven torque converter unit, such as the 8 speed ZF box.
I think part of it is down to the DSG being an interesting box that everyone scrutinises due to its relative infancy - if everyone who has issues with a torque-converter box spoke up that would drown out those with DSG.

With regards to pulling away, I wonder if it's a misunderstanding on how to drive them - their initial delay in getting moving is down to the computer letting in the clutch slowly enough to get smooth engagement, but not so fast as to pull your head off... Once rolling they work very quickly indeed, but you need to anticipate the delay in getting away like you would a manual, rather than thinking of it as an auto.

Advantages are, realistically, efficiency now (even then they're not significantly better than the new-generation ZF boxes) - the newer ZF boxes have kicked the old shift time and strategy arguments firmly to the kerb imo, once away from a spec sheet...

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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I wish I could afford one of these.

Buy one and then it's all the car you'll need.

Icehanger

394 posts

222 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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The big question...S4 Avant or C43confused

Was looking forward to the S4 but Audi have dropped Sepang Blue from the line up


silentbrown

8,842 posts

116 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Nice. Hadn't realised that supersport seats with massage were standard.

PH said:
In theory this will allow us to tailor it to suit the conditions by offering a broad range between the Dynamic and Comfort settings, with many combinations in between thanks to the Individual mode.
If so, they've radically changed ADS. In B8's you can only choose "comfort","auto" or "dynamic" for each of the systems (diff/steering/gearbox) and that's it. ("auto" just seems to switch systems between comfort and dynamic when it feels like it!)

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Interesting that Audi, who are traditionally at the forefront of VAG technology trends, are switching from a DSG "back" to a torque converter.

You hear lots of stories about troubles with the DSG units, especially the dry sump ones. Even those that work "as supposed" seem to struggle to pull cleanly from rest ( into, say a roundabout ). Although I have never driven one for a great period of time, I have often wondered what, if any, advantage they offer against a more proven torque converter unit, such as the 8 speed ZF box.

Will be interesting to see if this change starts to filter out through the rest of the VAG range - it has certainly stopped me from buying their products in the past....
I've driven a few Audi's with S-Tronic boxes and can honestly say I never had a problem with them.
Pulling away cleanly, swift, fuss-free changes were the norm.
That said, I only kept the cars for a few months so can't give a long term ownership perspective.

I ran the old model S4 for 4 months and loved it. The engine was mighty but it was the handling that surprised me most. It was no Elise but was weirdly satisfying in the twisties. The challenge was maintaining the pace without inducing oversteer. It was possible but you had to really think about what you were doing.

It was the only Audi I had which I genuinely found hard to give back.


Dave Hedgehog

14,565 posts

204 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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i deeply deeply dislike the design of the front of that car

Roma101

838 posts

147 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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The penultimate paragraph of this article hits the nail on the head. I am coming to realise that the sporty car I bought for commuting is a waste of time 99% of the time. Thinking of going to a diesel. Sad, but makes so much sense.

silentbrown

8,842 posts

116 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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They're practical. smile



(Yes a B8, but I don't think B9 will be much worse)

Edited by silentbrown on Tuesday 24th January 16:16

WokkaWokka

699 posts

139 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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I was going to go for one of these to replace my S3 but the company car tax is more than I'm willing to pay. I shall leave it to the other powerfully built company directors hehe

tigger1

8,402 posts

221 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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S4 avant RRP of £45k.
Q5 RRP is iro £40k (diesel s-line quattro auto, a pretty normal choice)

With that in mind, why are there so many Q5 on the road!?

S4 Avant is definitely on my to-do list!

Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Krikkit said:
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
You hear lots of stories about troubles with the DSG units, especially the dry sump ones. Even those that work "as supposed" seem to struggle to pull cleanly from rest ( into, say a roundabout ). Although I have never driven one for a great period of time, I have often wondered what, if any, advantage they offer against a more proven torque converter unit, such as the 8 speed ZF box.
I think part of it is down to the DSG being an interesting box that everyone scrutinises due to its relative infancy - if everyone who has issues with a torque-converter box spoke up that would drown out those with DSG.

With regards to pulling away, I wonder if it's a misunderstanding on how to drive them - their initial delay in getting moving is down to the computer letting in the clutch slowly enough to get smooth engagement, but not so fast as to pull your head off... Once rolling they work very quickly indeed, but you need to anticipate the delay in getting away like you would a manual, rather than thinking of it as an auto.

Advantages are, realistically, efficiency now (even then they're not significantly better than the new-generation ZF boxes) - the newer ZF boxes have kicked the old shift time and strategy arguments firmly to the kerb imo, once away from a spec sheet...
The DSG unit can easily and reliably handle 600bhp and 450lb-ft with no hardware upgrades at all. And it can shift in 6 milliseconds. It is the best gearbox on the entire market.

Regiment

2,799 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Is it really worth 10-15k over a Golf R Estate? Both are pretty quick estate cars, 300 vs 350hp, both practical, both VAG, why the big difference in price apart from the extra bit of power and the Audi badge?

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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tigger1 said:
S4 avant RRP of £45k.
Q5 RRP is iro £40k (diesel s-line quattro auto, a pretty normal choice)

With that in mind, why are there so many Q5 on the road!?
Higher up = more people can see you drive an audi from further away. Snob factor innit.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Regiment said:
Is it really worth 10-15k over a Golf R Estate? Both are pretty quick estate cars, 300 vs 350hp, both practical, both VAG, why the big difference in price apart from the extra bit of power and the Audi badge?
I was thinking similar, except about the new Leon Cupar 300 ST, which now has 4 wheel drive & I believe you can still get a manual (not that anyone seems to buy a manual Cupra).

Adz The Rat

14,097 posts

209 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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I haven't driven the S4 yet but the new S5 is a world apart from the outgoing model! The engine especially is a delight, it has a sound not unlike the old R32 Golfs.

The feeling and just the way the car drives is a great move forward.