RE: Porsche Panamera Diesel S: Review
Discussion
Raudus42 said:
From the owner of an S500...I'd defo consider the diesel - when it can outperform and use 50% less fuel doing it, why not if you're doing any kind of mileage? If you cover less than say 12k miles a year then petrol is prob the way to go, but once you get past 15k the diesel makes sense.
Diesels aren't going to be banned anywhere...there'll just be taxed more. Such is the way with the man-made global warming hoax / cash grab.
Global warming hoax/tax grab?Diesels aren't going to be banned anywhere...there'll just be taxed more. Such is the way with the man-made global warming hoax / cash grab.
Really?
Did you you for Trump?
JMF894 said:
Raudus42 said:
From the owner of an S500...I'd defo consider the diesel - when it can outperform and use 50% less fuel doing it, why not if you're doing any kind of mileage? If you cover less than say 12k miles a year then petrol is prob the way to go, but once you get past 15k the diesel makes sense.
Diesels aren't going to be banned anywhere...there'll just be taxed more. Such is the way with the man-made global warming hoax / cash grab.
Global warming hoax/tax grab?Diesels aren't going to be banned anywhere...there'll just be taxed more. Such is the way with the man-made global warming hoax / cash grab.
Really?
Did you you for Trump?
T16OLE said:
Obviously, the diesel is highy capable, but at that money, I can't help think what's the point -just get the petrol
That's coming from a 640d owner.
As a diesel it imagine it would be excellent, but the petrol option surely has the be the choice.
Also coming from a 640d owner - range. That's the point. For many people anything that allows them to spend as little time refuelling is the choice. That would certainly be the reason I'd buy a diesel Panamera over a petrol one.That's coming from a 640d owner.
As a diesel it imagine it would be excellent, but the petrol option surely has the be the choice.
Yipper said:
It is arguably the best diesel car ever made, but it will plunge in value once the EU starts kicking diesel into the history books in the next few years.
and this is it, in a nutshell.The Panamera has had a very successful redesign. I like the way it looks now
However, one would be mad to buy a diesel now. Lease it, another story with a good deal.
stuckmojo said:
Yipper said:
It is arguably the best diesel car ever made, but it will plunge in value once the EU starts kicking diesel into the history books in the next few years.
and this is it, in a nutshell.The Panamera has had a very successful redesign. I like the way it looks now
However, one would be mad to buy a diesel now. Lease it, another story with a good deal.
While I think the styling both, exterior and interior is a big leap over the previous generation, I am genuinely surprised that Porsche have released a large engined diesel in the current climate. Are they just hoping that the majority of their customers won't have a clue about the war on diesel which will be arriving imminently?
I can see these depreciating like a stone when the diesel purge kicks in full force, however they will be an absolute bargain for those who don't need to go into the centre of town often.
I can see these depreciating like a stone when the diesel purge kicks in full force, however they will be an absolute bargain for those who don't need to go into the centre of town often.
114k for a diesel hatchback- someone is taking the P.....
I know i am in a very small minority, but i liked the shape of the previous gen, this is a bit dull. Interior is stunning though.
RE: the impending diesel armagedon, i dont think the buyer would still own the car after 3 years, at this price point it must be new cars fairly often.
I know i am in a very small minority, but i liked the shape of the previous gen, this is a bit dull. Interior is stunning though.
RE: the impending diesel armagedon, i dont think the buyer would still own the car after 3 years, at this price point it must be new cars fairly often.
JMF894 said:
Raudus42 said:
From the owner of an S500...I'd defo consider the diesel - when it can outperform and use 50% less fuel doing it, why not if you're doing any kind of mileage? If you cover less than say 12k miles a year then petrol is prob the way to go, but once you get past 15k the diesel makes sense.
Diesels aren't going to be banned anywhere...there'll just be taxed more. Such is the way with the man-made global warming hoax / cash grab.
Global warming hoax/tax grab?Diesels aren't going to be banned anywhere...there'll just be taxed more. Such is the way with the man-made global warming hoax / cash grab.
Really?
Did you you for Trump?
Prawnboy said:
114k for a diesel hatchback- someone is taking the P.....
I'm sorry but that comment is, quite frankly, absurd. You're making it sound like it should cost the same as a diesel VW Polo.....That's like saying "over £300k for a saloon car" when talking about a Rolls Royce Phantom.
Guvernator said:
While I think the styling both, exterior and interior is a big leap over the previous generation, I am genuinely surprised that Porsche have released a large engined diesel in the current climate. Are they just hoping that the majority of their customers won't have a clue about the war on diesel which will be arriving imminently?
I can see these depreciating like a stone when the diesel purge kicks in full force, however they will be an absolute bargain for those who don't need to go into the centre of town often.
I don't believe it will depreciate like a stone,people said that about the previous model which is only around 30k now after seven/eight years,these cars hold well.When you buy cars at this price point you're mostly in a different bracket to others and losing 30/40k is not a big issue over three or four years,plus buyers will have other cars available to use.Leasing will be the way in time with this, and as mentioned the range is the thing for driving onto the continent without having multiple stops. I can see these depreciating like a stone when the diesel purge kicks in full force, however they will be an absolute bargain for those who don't need to go into the centre of town often.
Surely if you can afford £112k, you can afford the odd tank of super unleaded.
Time and a place for a diesel, and given the recent bad publicity, this may have been born in a volatile world. Plus it's a fugly Porker.
And meet the new Bentley Conti platform everyone. Let's hope they do a better job of the top half.
Time and a place for a diesel, and given the recent bad publicity, this may have been born in a volatile world. Plus it's a fugly Porker.
And meet the new Bentley Conti platform everyone. Let's hope they do a better job of the top half.
Edited by fatboy b on Tuesday 31st January 21:25
Superflow said:
I don't believe it will depreciate like a stone,people said that about the previous model which is only around 30k now after seven/eight years,these cars hold well.When you buy cars at this price point you're mostly in a different bracket to others and losing 30/40k is not a big issue over three or four years,plus buyers will have other cars available to use.Leasing will be the way in time with this, and as mentioned the range is the thing for driving onto the continent without having multiple stops.
I think fill ups between trips to the office and in between are far more likely to be the concern with range, rather than any concern for continental driving..... I bet hardly any of these cars regularly do GT trips, and if they do it may be once per year. 
E65Ross said:
I think fill ups between trips to the office and in between are far more likely to be the concern with range, rather than any concern for continental driving..... I bet hardly any of these cars regularly do GT trips, and if they do it may be once per year.
Yes of course for business as well, 500 mile round trips on days like today without suffering the happy shoppers on the forecourt is a good thing.I was thinking in holiday mode,although thankfully i rarely drive long distance nowadays.OMG if you have £114k to drop on a car then this would be quite a strange choice. I'm sure its beautifully executed (although still ungainly from the head on angle). Those options costs are eye-watering and are in fact what made me buy a 535d over a Macan recently. The badge price difference was too great for me and then add the silly price options - and this Panamera is a DD car you need to do big miles in right? Still a fab thing to be sat in crossing a continent no doubt.
Superflow said:
E65Ross said:
I think fill ups between trips to the office and in between are far more likely to be the concern with range, rather than any concern for continental driving..... I bet hardly any of these cars regularly do GT trips, and if they do it may be once per year.
Yes of course for business as well, 500 mile round trips on days like today without suffering the happy shoppers on the forecourt is a good thing.I was thinking in holiday mode,although thankfully i rarely drive long distance nowadays.The new Panamera Turbo has a 90 litre tank, which isn't exactly small and should go a lot further than the previous model given the alleged efficiency of the new engines. The realistic range must be 400 miles on a new Turbo, assuming 22mpg average and filling up every 80 litres. That should be better on longer journeys and even on my previous generation 4.8 GTS, I used to see around 550 miles per tank on longer journeys (using 90 litres of a 100 litre tank, but still).
The diesel must only appeal to either the false economists who are more concerned by the badge than what they're actually buying or those who do mega miles/really can't abide going near a petrol station. Objectively it is an impressive sounding package but I found the reality far different. I bet the real world difference of running these cars, both in terms of mpg and running costs won't be far apart, particularly if diesel taxes rise, which seems likely.
The diesel must only appeal to either the false economists who are more concerned by the badge than what they're actually buying or those who do mega miles/really can't abide going near a petrol station. Objectively it is an impressive sounding package but I found the reality far different. I bet the real world difference of running these cars, both in terms of mpg and running costs won't be far apart, particularly if diesel taxes rise, which seems likely.
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