RE: 25 years of Type R: Spotted special
Discussion
rb26 said:
Neil-5ogx0 said:
I would suggest you take a look at this video for an impartial view of how the NA2 NSX R drives in the round:
https://drivetribe.com/p/GGQV3SrWSr6hjgrsbeVyqw?ii...
My own review would be a little more enthusiastic. I love all NSX having had several base models and a NA1 Type R, the NA2 type R is for me the ultimate NSX and the ultimate Type R. I donBut I accept I am completely biased.
It's a great video and illustrates everything wrong with the current NSX.https://drivetribe.com/p/GGQV3SrWSr6hjgrsbeVyqw?ii...
My own review would be a little more enthusiastic. I love all NSX having had several base models and a NA1 Type R, the NA2 type R is for me the ultimate NSX and the ultimate Type R. I donBut I accept I am completely biased.
They are fantastic cars. I still remember going into the Honda Two Mills garage with my mum as she got her car serviced there (from 2001-2010). Occasionally there would be an NSX or two, especially during the early to mid noughties. Never saw an NSX-R in the flesh but even the standard ones left a lasting impression on me. The last NSX I saw in there was an Imola orange one I believe. Unfortunately my efforts to get my mum to buy it weren't very successful, it's a shame as they certainly don't make them like this anymore. It's equally sad to see the Two Mills garage is now a carpet shop, especially as it had so much history with the company.
Regardless it's a fantastic car you've got there. If you ever go to another meet or car show please let us all know. I'm sure many, including myself, would love to see a real one in person!
MRobbins1987 said:
I came very close to parting with my EP3 this week as my commute is about to double with an imminent house move, I cant bring myself to follow it through though so it's staying. Not best suited to dual carriageway work but on the right roads they are brilliant fun.
Don't do it.My commute doubled and I eventually got rid of my EP3 after owning it for 6 years. It was so well sorted, had all the mods I wanted,ran like a dream but petrol costs was killing me.
Although I have an FN2 now as a weekend toy I still regret getting rid of the EP3.
Edited by Alanok on Wednesday 15th February 09:51
Omega_Dan said:
If you drive a JDM car and a UK spec DC2 you will never want a UK spec again.
The JDM machine is more superior in every way... It annoys me in articles like this when the UK car is described as "the one to have" - It isn't!
Oh dear, it's half term again isn't it... The JDM machine is more superior in every way... It annoys me in articles like this when the UK car is described as "the one to have" - It isn't!
JDM '96 is arguably inferior to the UK car (smaller brakes due to wheel design, and the "extra 10bhp" is measured on Japanese 100RON fuel, so little in it on UK fuel). Oh, and I think ABS was an option. Marginally the lightest of the 3 variants but not much different once the ABS and a/c optioned-in. Different final drive as well I believe (longer 1-3, shorter 4-5 in the '96)...which is either good or bad depending on what you want from the car...
JDM '98 runs larger 16" wheels with the same 5-stud hubs and 282mm front brakes as the UKDM car, but I believe has a better-designed manifold and a 2.5" pipe from there on, so genuinely DOES have a little more power (more that the torque curve is a little thicker than much top-end difference). A/c was I think standard, as were HIDs, so with the 16" wheels it was a little heavier, but not much different - 40kg between a no-option '96 and a full-fat '98. Slight suspension tweaks to compensate for wheels/sidewalls/weight, some commentators rate the '98 handling as the best, some notice the extra weight (esp unsprung).
UKDM sits in the middle - light wheels with big brakes (good combo IMHO) and ABS, but with the 2.25" exhaust system and the more restrictive manifold. Oh, and the '98 spec gear ratios.
In reality they're all bloody good, and the differences are pretty minor - buy the best car you can find regardless of 'version'. If (when) I get another one I'll go for either UKDM, or JDM '98 and see about sourcing some UK 15" wheels for it.
Omega_Dan said:
If you drive a JDM car and a UK spec DC2 you will never want a UK spec again.
The JDM machine is more superior in every way... It annoys me in articles like this when the UK car is described as "the one to have" - It isn't!
Absolute bullsThe JDM machine is more superior in every way... It annoys me in articles like this when the UK car is described as "the one to have" - It isn't!
t. What makes the JDM car superior in every way? Is it the identical engine, brakes, steering rack, suspension bushes, gearbox, or interior? There are some differences along the years with the above, it all gets a bit confusing when you dig into the different model specs between 96 spec, UKDM, 98 spec, USDM, AUDM, EUDM etc etc - but they all share the same components and engineering.
The only differences worth noting between the JDM and UK cars is the power output. It's slightly less on UK cars due to the exhaust manifold being narrower, larger catalytic converter, and ECU. Probably done to meet with some EU regs? Not sure, but it's easily rectifiable. The engines themselves are EXACTLY the same. Some early B18cs were hand built, but in the later days all B18cs and B18c6s (the EU model of the DC2 Type R engine), were machine ported for accuracy and identical internally.
The UK spec cars actually had the better of the two gearboxes from launch... the 4.7 S80.
Please explain yourself.
Since you have posted what you hate from the only post in 6 months you have been here for, I will put what I hate too, which is when people think JDM is the be all and end all, it really isn't and all you are paying is the extra 'JDM' tax that comes with it.
A UKDM DC2 offers just as much as any JDM 98spec DC2, there are very minor differences but it uses the same engine and chassis, not much in it at all and as said, the extra BHP is partly down to the Jap fuel but once here, you won't get the claimed power. You can upgrade the manifold and system on a UK spec and you are basically done with it. Though if you prefer the looks of the JDM DC2 over the UK DC2, thats another story but otherwise, nothing to shout about.
A UKDM DC2 offers just as much as any JDM 98spec DC2, there are very minor differences but it uses the same engine and chassis, not much in it at all and as said, the extra BHP is partly down to the Jap fuel but once here, you won't get the claimed power. You can upgrade the manifold and system on a UK spec and you are basically done with it. Though if you prefer the looks of the JDM DC2 over the UK DC2, thats another story but otherwise, nothing to shout about.
Edited by ShuthanVtec on Wednesday 15th February 10:53
Current EK9 Civic Type-R and Accord Type-R owner here. Very happy with them, two cars from the same era executed differently.
EK9 is full of character and always puts a smile on my face. It's my definition of a proper hot hatch: small, lightweight, naturally aspirated etc. Very rewarding to drive.
ATR I feel is an underrated car and clean examples are bargains IMO. The H22A7 engine is a gem. Overall the car feels rock solid and I'm looking forward to some trackdays later in the year once I sort the tyres and brakes.
And I don't understand why people think of the UK DC2 as massively inferior to the JDM 98 Spec. The smaller 15" wheels suited the car and my old UK DC2 was a delight on B-roads. The only restriction as mentioned is the exhaust setup, but how difficult is that to rectify? Plenty of manifolds and systems on the market.
EK9 is full of character and always puts a smile on my face. It's my definition of a proper hot hatch: small, lightweight, naturally aspirated etc. Very rewarding to drive.
ATR I feel is an underrated car and clean examples are bargains IMO. The H22A7 engine is a gem. Overall the car feels rock solid and I'm looking forward to some trackdays later in the year once I sort the tyres and brakes.
And I don't understand why people think of the UK DC2 as massively inferior to the JDM 98 Spec. The smaller 15" wheels suited the car and my old UK DC2 was a delight on B-roads. The only restriction as mentioned is the exhaust setup, but how difficult is that to rectify? Plenty of manifolds and systems on the market.
As stated, there isn't much between a UK and JDM98 model.
The only material difference is the exhaust manifold and cat.
UK has a 4-2-1 (part-cast, part-fabricated) manifold with a 2.25" collector feeding into a c17" cat.
JDM98 has a much better 4-1 (stainless steel) manifold with a 2.5" collector feeding into a 12" cat (which may be a higher flow cat). The remainder of the pipework is no different in diameter (although obviously the B-pipe is longer with JDM98 due to the shorter cat).
Both UK and JDM98 manifolds weigh circa 9KGs. JDM98 systems fetch huge money (often in questionable condition) but they are a lovely piece of work. I understand they are no longer available new. There is a difference between the manifolds but nothing ground-breaking. We're not talking "turbo remap" levels of difference!
The sweet spot is a UK model with a JDM98 manifold and cat. You get the smaller forged wheels with larger brakes and the better-looking UK front with the trapezoidal lower air intake and twin lights. That is a much more contemporary design than the very "of the 90s" look of the JDM96 and 98.
With respect, why on earth anyone would want to swap a UK front end for a JDM98 is beyond me, but each to their own.
The only material difference is the exhaust manifold and cat.
UK has a 4-2-1 (part-cast, part-fabricated) manifold with a 2.25" collector feeding into a c17" cat.
JDM98 has a much better 4-1 (stainless steel) manifold with a 2.5" collector feeding into a 12" cat (which may be a higher flow cat). The remainder of the pipework is no different in diameter (although obviously the B-pipe is longer with JDM98 due to the shorter cat).
Both UK and JDM98 manifolds weigh circa 9KGs. JDM98 systems fetch huge money (often in questionable condition) but they are a lovely piece of work. I understand they are no longer available new. There is a difference between the manifolds but nothing ground-breaking. We're not talking "turbo remap" levels of difference!
The sweet spot is a UK model with a JDM98 manifold and cat. You get the smaller forged wheels with larger brakes and the better-looking UK front with the trapezoidal lower air intake and twin lights. That is a much more contemporary design than the very "of the 90s" look of the JDM96 and 98.
With respect, why on earth anyone would want to swap a UK front end for a JDM98 is beyond me, but each to their own.
)is1 said:
As stated, there isn't much between a UK and JDM98 model.
The only material difference is the exhaust manifold and cat.
UK has a 4-2-1 (part-cast, part-fabricated) manifold with a 2.25" collector feeding into a c17" cat.
JDM98 has a much better 4-1 (stainless steel) manifold with a 2.5" collector feeding into a 12" cat (which may be a higher flow cat). The remainder of the pipework is no different in diameter (although obviously the B-pipe is longer with JDM98 due to the shorter cat).
Both UK and JDM98 manifolds weigh circa 9KGs. JDM98 systems fetch huge money (often in questionable condition) but they are a lovely piece of work. I understand they are no longer available new. There is a difference between the manifolds but nothing ground-breaking. We're not talking "turbo remap" levels of difference!
The sweet spot is a UK model with a JDM98 manifold and cat. You get the smaller forged wheels with larger brakes and the better-looking UK front with the trapezoidal lower air intake and twin lights. That is a much more contemporary design than the very "of the 90s" look of the JDM96 and 98.
With respect, why on earth anyone would want to swap a UK front end for a JDM98 is beyond me, but each to their own.
I know very little about Honda's but having just done 5 minutes research, I much prefer the JDM front end! The only material difference is the exhaust manifold and cat.
UK has a 4-2-1 (part-cast, part-fabricated) manifold with a 2.25" collector feeding into a c17" cat.
JDM98 has a much better 4-1 (stainless steel) manifold with a 2.5" collector feeding into a 12" cat (which may be a higher flow cat). The remainder of the pipework is no different in diameter (although obviously the B-pipe is longer with JDM98 due to the shorter cat).
Both UK and JDM98 manifolds weigh circa 9KGs. JDM98 systems fetch huge money (often in questionable condition) but they are a lovely piece of work. I understand they are no longer available new. There is a difference between the manifolds but nothing ground-breaking. We're not talking "turbo remap" levels of difference!
The sweet spot is a UK model with a JDM98 manifold and cat. You get the smaller forged wheels with larger brakes and the better-looking UK front with the trapezoidal lower air intake and twin lights. That is a much more contemporary design than the very "of the 90s" look of the JDM96 and 98.
With respect, why on earth anyone would want to swap a UK front end for a JDM98 is beyond me, but each to their own.
Loved my DC2, owned it for seven odd years, including two EVO features before I thought it was time to move on. I bought a sensible car, which lasted about 18months before I bought a cheap EP3 that became available to me. I was always a bit "meh" about the EP3s but four years in it's been a solid reliable car that happens to handle well, stop well and goes OK considering its age. I keep looking at alternatives but nothing really appeals as I'm not willing to spend £30k+
Drove an NSX-R on one of the EVO tests too, I shall take that experience to my grave, simply sublime machine.
Drove an NSX-R on one of the EVO tests too, I shall take that experience to my grave, simply sublime machine.
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