RE: Pagani Huayra Roadster - official
Discussion
Looking forward to a full technical breakdown on what has been developed compared to the coupe. 80kg is a significant amount to have lost. Would like to know the weight of the hardtop, would it be 25-30kg at most? That would still put it 50kg lighter than the coupe with it's roof on which I don't see as being attributable to the different door mechanisms alone.
Fire99 said:
McAndy said:
The Zonda was designed as a supercar, but it then morphed into a "boutique" supercar. This has been designed to be "boutique" from the off. That will have been reflected in its materials chosen and lack of attention to cost-down. That wouldn't have been an option on the Zonda as they would have had no capital from revenue to reinvest.
Maybe so but (and this is coming from a man who hasn't owned a Zonda) the Zonda F has a pretty exquisite interior, great exterior proportions and top grade performance, for a snip (ish) at 800 odd grand. I just do not see another million + in the Huayra. Not by a long shot.At least they appear to have ditched the Rover 45 HVAC controls.
I have always looked at the Huayra as kind of standing alone, separate from the more common all garden super/hyper cars on the market.
By most measures it does not appear to compete with the other hyper cars but to the customers that does not matter in most cases. These cars are bespoke, exquisite in detail and very personal. You deal with the guy who not only owns the company but designed the car as well.
Once you buy a Pagani you become part of his wider family, therefore having him dip into your pocket to the tune of £2 million plus for one of his cars it is less likely to feel like you have been ripped off.
If I had the money I would spec mine almost exactly like the images here but with a darker blue interior and black anodised bright work on the dash
By most measures it does not appear to compete with the other hyper cars but to the customers that does not matter in most cases. These cars are bespoke, exquisite in detail and very personal. You deal with the guy who not only owns the company but designed the car as well.
Once you buy a Pagani you become part of his wider family, therefore having him dip into your pocket to the tune of £2 million plus for one of his cars it is less likely to feel like you have been ripped off.
If I had the money I would spec mine almost exactly like the images here but with a darker blue interior and black anodised bright work on the dash
I'd rather have a Seiko than a Tag Heuer though.
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As for the cars, of course the Paganiis a lovely object and is more bespoke, and money is no object to the buyers but I don't see the Pagani being ten times the car the Aventador is. Performance is similar and the the amount of attention it gets wouldn't be ten times an Aventador.
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t.As for the cars, of course the Paganiis a lovely object and is more bespoke, and money is no object to the buyers but I don't see the Pagani being ten times the car the Aventador is. Performance is similar and the the amount of attention it gets wouldn't be ten times an Aventador.
PurpleAki said:
I'd rather have a Seiko than a Tag Heuer though.
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As for the cars, of course the Paganiis a lovely object and is more bespoke, and money is no object to the buyers but I don't see the Pagani being ten times the car the Aventador is. Performance is similar and the the amount of attention it gets wouldn't be ten times an Aventador.
Neither of the points you make are 'the point' of this car though. Exclusivity is. Tags are s
t.As for the cars, of course the Paganiis a lovely object and is more bespoke, and money is no object to the buyers but I don't see the Pagani being ten times the car the Aventador is. Performance is similar and the the amount of attention it gets wouldn't be ten times an Aventador.
PurpleAki said:
...of course the Pagani is a lovely object and is more bespoke, and money is no object to the buyers but I don't see the Pagani being ten times the car the Aventador is. Performance is similar and the the amount of attention it gets wouldn't be ten times an Aventador.
Premium bespoke cars are a balancing act. Parts sharing can be used as a shortcut to reliability but too much reliance on off-the-shelf parts means people won't pay a premium. Remember Lamborghini reliability coming on leaps and bounds under Audi ownership? But then there were complains the Gallardo shared a little too much with the R8 to justify it's pricing: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/02/lamborghini-wan...Conversely, incorporating lots of bespoke parts maintains the exclusivity factor but runs the risk of poor reliability.
Building a premium car with lots of bespoke design and making it reliable costs a ferocious amount of money, particularly so if you're a small company without the buying power, resources, economies of scale, testing programmes, etc of VAG. So I'd agree, the Huayra isn't 10 times the car the Aventador is, but it costs Pagani much more to produce a car like that than it would cost Lamborghini to produce something similar.
Edited by Risotto on Thursday 16th February 13:48
Risotto said:
Premium bespoke cars are a balancing act. Parts sharing can be used as a shortcut to reliability but too much reliance on off-the-shelf parts means people won't pay a premium. Remember Lamborghini reliability coming on leaps and bounds under Audi ownership? But then there were complains the Gallardo shared a little too much with the R8 to justify it's pricing: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/02/lamborghini-wan...
Conversely, incorporating lots of bespoke parts maintains the exclusivity factor but runs the risk of poor reliability.
Building a premium car with lots of bespoke design and making it reliable costs a ferocious amount of money, particularly so if you're a small company without the buying power, resources, economies of scale, testing programmes, etc of VAG. So I'd agree, the Huayra isn't 10 times the car the Aventador is, but it costs Pagani much more to produce a car like that than it would cost Lamborghini to produce something similar.
I appreciate the long reply but I'm perfectly aware of that. Conversely, incorporating lots of bespoke parts maintains the exclusivity factor but runs the risk of poor reliability.
Building a premium car with lots of bespoke design and making it reliable costs a ferocious amount of money, particularly so if you're a small company without the buying power, resources, economies of scale, testing programmes, etc of VAG. So I'd agree, the Huayra isn't 10 times the car the Aventador is, but it costs Pagani much more to produce a car like that than it would cost Lamborghini to produce something similar.
Edited by Risotto on Thursday 16th February 13:48
To people who can drop £2M on a car, bespoke exclusivity, is far more important than performance.
In the semi real world I'd take an Aventador Roadster and £2M in the bank instead.
Lamborghini's are plenty exclusive enough for the likes of me.
Edited by PurpleAki on Thursday 16th February 21:32
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