So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders
Discussion
As usual, it's a very complicated argument.
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hornetrider said:
So I replaced my Conti SC5s with Nexen N8000s on the front of my Passat Alltrack. Have been throwing it round corners and roundabouts expecting to understeer off into the local scenery but not a bit of it. At 8/10ths I can detect no discernable drop off in grip or turn in.
And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
I'll be interested to see how you feel they perform in the wet as I felt the same as above about Kumho KU39s when I first fitted them but they weren't nearly up to standard in the wet.And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
markirl said:
hornetrider said:
So I replaced my Conti SC5s with Nexen N8000s on the front of my Passat Alltrack. Have been throwing it round corners and roundabouts expecting to understeer off into the local scenery but not a bit of it. At 8/10ths I can detect no discernable drop off in grip or turn in.
And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
I'll be interested to see how you feel they perform in the wet as I felt the same as above about Kumho KU39s when I first fitted them but they weren't nearly up to standard in the wet.And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
The differences tend to be much more noticeable in the wet.
Frankthered said:
This is my experience too, and seems to be that of most people. The difference between most tyres probably isn't going be noticeable while driving on public roads in dry conditions.
The differences tend to be much more noticeable in the wet.
I think the "notice ability" would also depend on how close to the limit you were driving.The differences tend to be much more noticeable in the wet.
So Grandma driving at 3/10ths isn't going to notice much difference between Budget and premium whereas PowerfullyBuiltGoatee driving at 9/10ths will do.
Countdown said:
Frankthered said:
This is my experience too, and seems to be that of most people. The difference between most tyres probably isn't going be noticeable while driving on public roads in dry conditions.
The differences tend to be much more noticeable in the wet.
I think the "notice ability" would also depend on how close to the limit you were driving.The differences tend to be much more noticeable in the wet.
So Grandma driving at 3/10ths isn't going to notice much difference between Budget and premium whereas PowerfullyBuiltGoatee driving at 9/10ths will do.
Wet grip has never been an issue. I'd like to think I don't really fall in to the bracket of a mumsnet contributor but I can't help but think people searching for every last ounce of wet grip on the public highway need to have a word with themselves.
emicen said:
I'm now 190k in to Kumho useage after dispatching my first 25k on Pilot Sport 2 / RE040s.
Wet grip has never been an issue. I'd like to think I don't really fall in to the bracket of a mumsnet contributor but I can't help but think people searching for every last ounce of wet grip on the public highway need to have a word with themselves.
I completely agree.Wet grip has never been an issue. I'd like to think I don't really fall in to the bracket of a mumsnet contributor but I can't help but think people searching for every last ounce of wet grip on the public highway need to have a word with themselves.
My response was intended more for the "I tried budgets and immediately exploded in a ball of fiery flame" brigade.
Ps I'm also not sure I'd class Kumho tyres in the same brand as Wanli or Nangking.I've always found them pretty good.
Countdown said:
I completely agree.
My response was intended more for the "I tried budgets and immediately exploded in a ball of fiery flame" brigade.
Ps I'm also not sure I'd class Kumho tyres in the same brand as Wanli or Nangking.I've always found them pretty good.
Totally in agreement.My response was intended more for the "I tried budgets and immediately exploded in a ball of fiery flame" brigade.
Ps I'm also not sure I'd class Kumho tyres in the same brand as Wanli or Nangking.I've always found them pretty good.
The interesting bit is Nankang and Nexen and the like are rapidly closing the gap towards the midrange Kumho/Falken types who in turn are narrowing the gap to the premiums.
Complete tangent: Avon is an interesting brand. There really doesn't seem to be much love for them as road tyres despite a long Motorsport history and European heritage.
emicen said:
Complete tangent: Avon is an interesting brand. There really doesn't seem to be much love for them as road tyres despite a long Motorsport history and European heritage.
I always buy Avons for all of my cars. Superb wet and dry performance, and that's been on everything from a lightweight Ignis Sport to a pretty hefty 300bhp Nissan Stagea.emicen said:
I can't help but think people searching for every last ounce of wet grip on the public highway need to have a word with themselves.
But that's the thing, what is 5/10ths on a premium is 10/10ths on a linglongI think the thread has drifted into talking about people using fairly decent midrange tyres as oppposed to the wangling ning nong type that are super rubbish
brrapp said:
^^^^This^^^^
My daily driver is an old Ford Ranger pickup, rear wheel drive most of the time and when the back is empty, it's lethal on wet or frosty roads. Even with top quality tyres, it's by far the worst/best vehicle I've driven for going sideways on roundabouts. I'm pretty sure it's far more dangerous than any modern car running the cheapest 'ditchfinders' available but I and many others drive vehicles like this on a daily basis and don't die more often then the rest of the population. We just (mostly) drive to suit the road/vehicle conditions.
Until you have to do an emergency stop or swerve in the wet. My daily driver is an old Ford Ranger pickup, rear wheel drive most of the time and when the back is empty, it's lethal on wet or frosty roads. Even with top quality tyres, it's by far the worst/best vehicle I've driven for going sideways on roundabouts. I'm pretty sure it's far more dangerous than any modern car running the cheapest 'ditchfinders' available but I and many others drive vehicles like this on a daily basis and don't die more often then the rest of the population. We just (mostly) drive to suit the road/vehicle conditions.
E36Ross said:
I think Nankang have moved up to Mid Range.
I'v noticed a lot of new budgets lately, Lucky Land Happy Gallop anyone?
There's 3 or 4 main factories in China churning out hundreds of brands and patterns.I'v noticed a lot of new budgets lately, Lucky Land Happy Gallop anyone?
I guess they're running out of "good" names as they're getting more and more stupid.
emicen said:
Countdown said:
Frankthered said:
This is my experience too, and seems to be that of most people. The difference between most tyres probably isn't going be noticeable while driving on public roads in dry conditions.
The differences tend to be much more noticeable in the wet.
I think the "notice ability" would also depend on how close to the limit you were driving.The differences tend to be much more noticeable in the wet.
So Grandma driving at 3/10ths isn't going to notice much difference between Budget and premium whereas PowerfullyBuiltGoatee driving at 9/10ths will do.
Wet grip has never been an issue. I'd like to think I don't really fall in to the bracket of a mumsnet contributor but I can't help but think people searching for every last ounce of wet grip on the public highway need to have a word with themselves.
emicen said:
Countdown said:
I completely agree.
My response was intended more for the "I tried budgets and immediately exploded in a ball of fiery flame" brigade.
Ps I'm also not sure I'd class Kumho tyres in the same brand as Wanli or Nangking.I've always found them pretty good.
Totally in agreement.My response was intended more for the "I tried budgets and immediately exploded in a ball of fiery flame" brigade.
Ps I'm also not sure I'd class Kumho tyres in the same brand as Wanli or Nangking.I've always found them pretty good.
The interesting bit is Nankang and Nexen and the like are rapidly closing the gap towards the midrange Kumho/Falken types who in turn are narrowing the gap to the premiums.
Complete tangent: Avon is an interesting brand. There really doesn't seem to be much love for them as road tyres despite a long Motorsport history and European heritage.
Frankthered said:
hornetrider said:
HustleRussell said:
Midrange tyre in 'similar dry grip to shagged premium tyre' shocker.
Do you think a Conti SC5 with ~3mm would display handling characteristics in the dry that could be described as 'shagged'? If so, why?Different story in the wet of course.
The message was compromised slightly when the budget tyres (Matadors) pulled up shorter than premium tyres (Continental PC2s), and the lucky dip budgets shorter still!
Transpires that two of the lucky dip budgets were winter tyres which excelled on the slippery, wet surface, and that Matadors are actually rather good (I can personally recommend them).
The piece was surprisingly signed off for broadcast and Tiff, in wrapping up, pointed out that Continental PC2s, like a lot of premium touring tyres, was optimised for low rolling resistance and durability.
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