RE: Honda Accord Type R: Catch It While You Can

[JimGTxx]

M-SportMatt said:

Not with 212 bhp it didn't.

What BHP were you pushing?

Agreed - I have a mildly modified one and the fastest it's been according (no pun intended) to my GPS recorder is 139 (with a bit of a tail wind) the speedo was indicating 145ish, which was not accurate.

• edit* just read all the posts since the one I quoted - it seems we are all on the same page. I really must give mine a service and take it for a spin, as it has been sitting on my driveway unused for 6+ months now...... I probably should sell it too! lol!

Edited by JimGTxx on Friday 24th February 13:56

[toyracer69]

I've had mine for nearly 15 years now and can't see that changing soon either. not after spending a small wedge on maximising the engine to make the most of the chassis and brake mods on her......

A very underated car. I describe them as a bigger DC2.

[Craig.]

toyracer69 said:

I've had mine for nearly 15 years now and can't see that changing soon either. not after spending a small wedge on maximising the engine to make the most of the chassis and brake mods on her......

A very underated car. I describe them as a bigger DC2.

In all the time I have known you on the forum Pete I never knew you had you'rs for 15 years.
Say's it all they are great Car's ;-)

[muppet42]

fivepointnine said:

Had one for about 3 weeks...Amazing engine, gearbox and handling, and the Recaro's are some of the best seats ever installed in a car. Unfortunately I did not do my homework and the one I bought had rust, so I sold it on at a great loss. From what I see now that I know, it seems about 90% of them suffer bulkhead rust of varying degrees and also OSF chassis leg rust, which is very expensive to repair and not easily seen (even by an MOT inspector, mine had no advisories).

Had pretty much the exact same experience as you did. Right down to the lack of a dirty MOT history. Reg wouldn't happen to be DIG 6590 would it?

Honestly gave me my proper lesson in not trusting anyone selling a performance car. There's a lot of unscrupulous a-holes out there and if you don't do your homework, they'll rob you blind.

Unfortunately the nature of these cars (cheap to buy and high performance) means its difficult to get a good one. I even made the mistake of getting the first one I saw. It was a shame too as I could see it had been a great car, just previous owners hadn't given a frack about it and ruined it comprehensively.

[405dogvan]

Pumpsmynads said:

This was on my company car list 16 years ago. After various test drives in various cars. This, IS200, Alfa 156, I settled on a 330i BMW.

I'm not convinced that the BMW wouldn't still be the best choice now.

I worked with someone who was faced with a slightly earlier (98/99) and less-per-month version of that choice - in his case it was between some sporty hot hatches (including the 1.8 VTEC Civic) or a dowdy E36 318i

He'd driven the sporty cars but not bothered with the BMW but someone kindly loaned him one for a week. He promptly ordered one and we were all boggled at his choice.

He then loaned it to me it a few times - it was a solidly competent car which was comfortable, drove well, was great on the motorway (he drove between the North West and Scotland a lot so this mattered) and did nothing particularly wrong.

BMW used to make those cars - nothing amazing, no Top Trumps winning stats, just cars which worked and worked well at their given tasks.

You'd never choose one with the heart - you'd never be wrong to choose one anyway (tho no-one let you into traffic in those days - now that's the province of Audi drivers of course!!)

[fivepointnine]

muppet42 said:

Had pretty much the exact same experience as you did. Right down to the lack of a dirty MOT history. Reg wouldn't happen to be DIG 6590 would it?

Honestly gave me my proper lesson in not trusting anyone selling a performance car. There's a lot of unscrupulous a-holes out there and if you don't do your homework, they'll rob you blind.

Unfortunately the nature of these cars (cheap to buy and high performance) means its difficult to get a good one. I even made the mistake of getting the first one I saw. It was a shame too as I could see it had been a great car, just previous owners hadn't given a frack about it and ruined it comprehensively.

Haha, no mine was a V reg. I also bought the first one I saw, it looked great, fresh MOT, had a tablet mounted running OBD2 readings, fresh non-budget tyres, was clean, etc. Owner seemed to like it and care for it...I just did not know where to look unfortunately, and paid WAY too much (I thought it was a great car upon initial inspection). It ended up being about a £1500 lesson in the end (that's about what I lost on it). Its a shame because it actually drove very good.

[leonintegra36]

Megaflow said:

I just did some maths, and if I have the right gear ratios of 0.87 for 5th and 4.266 for final drive, at 7200rpm you'd be doing a real 142mph.

Which correlates nicely with my indicated 146mph.

So, no. Nobody ever did 159mph in a Type R.

I have had an indicated 160mph in two of my accord type R's. This was with the factory Remus exhaust and ram air induction kit. Had 2 gutless ones, two good, two very good and one exceptional example performance wise. Those who talk about poor gear ratios have had a bad example maybe requiring a head refurb. Never needed a 6th gear either contrary to belief. Put it this way my last good example kept a new Audi S3 honest in a straight line and overtook it into bends with commensurate ease. A good one deserves as much praise as a dc2 and is more useable, yet is still worth setting the alarm early on a Sunday morning for. Sure a dc2 is more special but the accord shames most modern cars for interaction. I have a rot free genuine atr in red project possibly up for grabs. I have a track car and BMW diesel so the accord is only started now and again mid refurb. Had a new clutch skimmed head etc but rear bumper needs painting and wheels returning;currently skimmmed. If interested drop me a line to [e-mail]... Danny dc2 give also drop me a line as you are near my way in West Yorks.

[jl4069]

Strangely enough it seems the spiritual successor to this Accord R is the new civic r sedan. Funny the new Civic is actually the bigger car... https://www.google.com/#q=2017+honda+civic+sedan&a...

I bet for most the feel you get from the older chassis will be rather better than this new one. Also the rear visibility on the new Civic is abysmal. j

[ALawson]

I bought Y513 UCF in 2002, 11 months old with 21k on it.

It hasn't moved in 4 years and is sat in my mums garage on something north of 195k miles. Oil changed every 4.5k miles and I am sure with some fresh fuel and a jump start it will start

This thread has reminded me it's still there, needs all suspension changing as original. Two new front doors, rear bumper and a respray. Alloys etc.

I better go check if the bulk head is rusted before spending any money on it.

From memory on the limiter in top gear they would do 152mph. Been proven a few times via gps.

As a car they were simply sublime on a deserted road, going from gear to gear staying in the vtec not dropping out. Not an easy car to keep in the zone t very rewarding, hence not selling it.

[s m]

Megaflow said:

I just did some maths, and if I have the right gear ratios of 0.87 for 5th and 4.266 for final drive, at 7200rpm you'd be doing a real 142mph.

Which correlates nicely with my indicated 146mph.

So, no. Nobody ever did 159mph in a Type R.

Says 19.7 per 1000rpm so if you could hit 7500rpm in top ( as per lower gears ) that would mean 147.75mph

Autocar managed 140 at 7100rpm ( although they usually reckon you can add 2 or 3mph to that for a long straight )

[Eng274]

This was a car I'd forgotten about if I'm honest. Being only 30, I only became aware of it in Gran Turismo 2, and liked it for its good performance for a front wheel drive saloon. I was much more enamoured by the Accord (plus the S40 and Primera) than the contemporary touring car offerings from Toyota, Vauxhall, Ford et al.

Admittedly, the rear wing looks a bit of a 90s Max Power add-on for my liking, I'd personally remove it to enhance the general 'sleeper' look of it.

I've been keeping an eye on manual good condition UK originated Prelude 2.2s on Auto Trader, rarer than rocking horse poo it seems. With my memory refreshed, ditto several dozen other PHers no doubt, I'd like to have a decent condition Accord Type R.

I reckon Honda are missing a trick by not developing a current Accord Type R to undercut the S-Line/AMG/M Sport pretensions market. Not likely to happen given Honda have/are thinking of discontinuing the Accord full stop in the UK, which is disappointing.

Edited by Eng274 on Saturday 25th February 22:42

[leonintegra36]

Evo managed 0-60 in 6.1 secs for the accord type r and I have managed similar acceleration regularly. Performance car took a UK integra type r to 60 in 5.5secs. Yet this is immaterial next to the noise in VTEC which is worth sacrificing 20mph over an evo FQ in my experience.

[danllama]

I hope this doesn't push values up, I've been hoping to try one of these for a while but wouldn't be for another year or two.

[Megaflow]

s m said:

Megaflow said:

I just did some maths, and if I have the right gear ratios of 0.87 for 5th and 4.266 for final drive, at 7200rpm you'd be doing a real 142mph.

Which correlates nicely with my indicated 146mph.

So, no. Nobody ever did 159mph in a Type R.

Says 19.7 per 1000rpm so if you could hit 7500rpm in top ( as per lower gears ) that would mean 147.75mph

Autocar managed 140 at 7100rpm ( although they usually reckon you can add 2 or 3mph to that for a long straight )

Yes, but we are both wrong because the guy two posts above yours says he did 160mph with and air filter change. Not sure how that effects gear ratios though...

[Megaflow]

leonintegra36 said:

Megaflow said:

I just did some maths, and if I have the right gear ratios of 0.87 for 5th and 4.266 for final drive, at 7200rpm you'd be doing a real 142mph.

Which correlates nicely with my indicated 146mph.

So, no. Nobody ever did 159mph in a Type R.

I have had an indicated 160mph in two of my accord type R's. This was with the factory Remus exhaust and ram air induction kit. Had 2 gutless ones, two good, two very good and one exceptional example performance wise. Those who talk about poor gear ratios have had a bad example maybe requiring a head refurb. Never needed a 6th gear either contrary to belief. Put it this way my last good example kept a new Audi S3 honest in a straight line and overtook it into bends with commensurate ease. A good one deserves as much praise as a dc2 and is more useable, yet is still worth setting the alarm early on a Sunday morning for. Sure a dc2 is more special but the accord shames most modern cars for interaction. I have a rot free genuine atr in red project possibly up for grabs. I have a track car and BMW diesel so the accord is only started now and again mid refurb. Had a new clutch skimmed head etc but rear bumper needs painting and wheels returning;currently skimmmed. If interested drop me a line to [e-mail]... Danny dc2 give also drop me a line as you are near my way in West Yorks.

The one I did an indicated 146 in was a car my Dad had from new, it arrived with 64 miles on the clock. There was nothing wrong with it.

And indicated 146mph with a few hundred rpm to go suggests a speedo error of circa 4% at speed. You indicated 160mph is therefore circa a true 154mph, which has been proven to be 14mph beyond what the car is geared to do before the rev limiter cuts in.

You can fit the biggest turbo in the world, make 1000bhp, but unless you change the gearing, either in the gearbox or bigger wheels, an Accord Type R is never going to go faster than 142mph.

[roland82]

ShuthanVtec said:

Have one myself Since Oct 14 which I am very much attached to, always wanted one but finding a good one is the hardest bit and puts people off buying one as most are not looked after or suffer rust issues. Excellent car that you chuck about and its amazingly rev happy that it just puts a smile on your face. Planted in the corners and the steering gives amazing feedback with a slick gearbox providing the LSD. It can also carry anything you want with its big boot though seats don't fold down and can even bring the kids along for the ride but it won't attract unwanted attention from the boy racer types at the lights. Cruise effortlessly but put your foot down and you are handed a fantastic sound track as it shoots off. I have yet to come across anyone who has owned one or driven one that hasn't come away with praise and its constantly 'I miss my ATR' from ex owners. I urge anyone who loves driving to try one of these cars as it is one of the best FWD cars you can get. Mine is near stock apart from an OEM style rear cat back exhaust, DIN OEM Style gauges to monitor temps/pressures and a double din headunit, I also have put the facelift red OEM Recaros in too. I have taken mine on track a few times to Brands hatch and amazing how it overtakes lighter and newer cars. These cars don't need much doing to them and can be enjoyed stock.

I should advise anyone looking for one to go in with their eyes peeled as rust is the main enemy with these, but there is much info online for what to look for. I can see values are rising slowly which these cars deserve to, they are too cheap for now but a great underrated and brillant special drivers car.



Your's is absolutely mint.

Edited by ShuthanVtec on Thursday 23 February 15:28

[s m]

Anyone find the turning circle cumbersome on these out of interest?

[thepeoplespal]

Craig. said:

toyracer69 said:

I've had mine for nearly 15 years now and can't see that changing soon either. not after spending a small wedge on maximising the engine to make the most of the chassis and brake mods on her......

A very underated car. I describe them as a bigger DC2.

In all the time I have known you on the forum Pete I never knew you had you'rs for 15 years.
Say's it all they are great Car's ;-)

Top lurking toyracer69, must be a good car to get you to unveil yourself again 1300 days after your 1st post. ;-)

[ALawson]

s m said:

Anyone find the turning circle cumbersome on these out of interest?

Not really, never any issues in 180k miles of driving.

[ShuthanVtec]

roland82 said:

Thanks mate.