RE: Alfa Romeo Stelvio: Review
Discussion
big_rob_sydney said:
Bloody hell, 2160mm wide!?!
How on earth will these things fit into the typical shoebox that is a british garage???
Do people use garages to keep cars in any more?How on earth will these things fit into the typical shoebox that is a british garage???
Where we live two of our neighbours have garages, none of their cars go in the garage, it's just a larger shed.
The reason for this may be as you stated - car size has increased, but garage size hasn't - but it may be that people are using their cars more and can't be bothered to keep putting them in and out of the garage.
Or, more likely, they realise that the garage is a great place to store all that stuff they don't want in the house that would be nicked if left outside. Unlike a car.
Kolbenkopp said:
What IMO is unfortunate is the way marketing/demand steered manufacturers. The 4x4 image is popular, perhaps because of the active life style it portrays. So they worked hard at making tough, heavy and tall 4x4s work for families. Getting efficiency out of the formula a big challenge. End result after ~ 20 years of fettling -- cars that are basically big hatchbacks with pretty heavy suspension and inexplicably large wheels.
The alternative to get the same real-world benefits could have been to fettle with the MPV formula a bit more. I think we would have gotten to better results at least decade quicker. But the MPV image? So uncool. So not much development or demand. Good thing I don't need a compact people carrier at the moment, or I would be moaning about the lack of a B-Max ST, Scenic RS or Sportsvan GTI/GTD
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I agree with you - they fixed the SUV to make it as good as the "monospace" while still resembling a pseudo off-roader - they got there in the end by using hatch underpinnings but that's a strange way indeed to re-invent the wheel without making it too square !The alternative to get the same real-world benefits could have been to fettle with the MPV formula a bit more. I think we would have gotten to better results at least decade quicker. But the MPV image? So uncool. So not much development or demand. Good thing I don't need a compact people carrier at the moment, or I would be moaning about the lack of a B-Max ST, Scenic RS or Sportsvan GTI/GTD
.Amusingly the MPVs are now trying to look like SUVs - cue the new Scenic which is as high as Kadjar but ONLY comes with 20' wheels when the Kadjar can be bought with 17's!!
big_rob_sydney said:
Matt Bird said:
Sorry! Stelvio is 4680mm long, 1670mm high and 2160mm wide. X3 is 4657/1678/1881 (suspect width is without mirrors here) and F-Pace is 4731/1667/1936 (again I think without mirrors). Alfa made no mention of hybrids at all and has clearly invested a lot in the diesel here, with a focus still on it. That there will be a 180hp version with two-wheel drive in time suggests that will be pitched as the eco version.
Matt
Bloody hell, 2160mm wide!?!Matt
How on earth will these things fit into the typical shoebox that is a british garage???
More to the point, how will they fit in a standard sized parking spot? And what of doors getting dinged by other people needing to access their own cars before you come along and creep into their space due to your own leviathan proportions...?
I get that its light compared to some others, but it does seem to be quite wide.
I don't know why Alfa have taken to quoting width including mirrors (although that figure obviously has its uses) when nobody else does. They did it with the 4C, and everyone slated it for being wider than an Aventador when in reality it wasn't when measured in the same way.
thegreenhell said:
I've seen it listed elsewhere as 1903mm (excluding mirrors), which puts puts it midway between X3 and F-Pace width.
I don't know why Alfa have taken to quoting width including mirrors (although that figure obviously has its uses) when nobody else does. They did it with the 4C, and everyone slated it for being wider than an Aventador when in reality it wasn't when measured in the same way.
Cut from the online user manual...I don't know why Alfa have taken to quoting width including mirrors (although that figure obviously has its uses) when nobody else does. They did it with the 4C, and everyone slated it for being wider than an Aventador when in reality it wasn't when measured in the same way.
thegreenhell said:
I've seen it listed elsewhere as 1903mm (excluding mirrors), which puts puts it midway between X3 and F-Pace width.
I don't know why Alfa have taken to quoting width including mirrors (although that figure obviously has its uses) when nobody else does. They did it with the 4C, and everyone slated it for being wider than an Aventador when in reality it wasn't when measured in the same way.
It is a bit odd, especially combined with their insistance on quoting dry weights which is rather the opposite approach. I don't know why Alfa have taken to quoting width including mirrors (although that figure obviously has its uses) when nobody else does. They did it with the 4C, and everyone slated it for being wider than an Aventador when in reality it wasn't when measured in the same way.
Unlucky said:
Yawn-a once great manufacturer rolling out tin cans with the same thinly disguised muck under the bonnet that always devalues like a stone-nice badge though.
Shame about the contents.
Maybe they could make a really exciting electric pram?
Were you drunk at the point of writing this?Shame about the contents.
Maybe they could make a really exciting electric pram?
What thinly disguised muck? The same ferrari gubbins (and engine on the QV)/design team that has made the Giulia a smash hit and praised by pretty much every motoring journalist/enthusiast.
Pram - wtf?
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