RE: Range Rover Velar - full details
Discussion
I'm a huge fan of technology and self confessed geek, but don't see this this transition to full touch screens working in the long term. I'm in the music/TV business and this 'touch screen' excitement was embraced upon us in recording studios a few years back and it soon backfired, it became a distraction because you needed to physically look to where your finger is on the screen then look up again. Before you could feel, click knowing the action was complete without looking keeping you focused on the task ahead.
Things are now reverting and this industry is swamped again with physical controllers to get more hands on. We now have a happy hybrid of both. I think thats where cars need to be too, you reach and change temperature without looking, by feeling you know when something is turned, or clicked on and off. A screen you have to precisely put your finger in the right place, and if another finger accidentally touches you're changing other stuff too. Try doing all that lot when car is in movement, bumps etc.
Things are now reverting and this industry is swamped again with physical controllers to get more hands on. We now have a happy hybrid of both. I think thats where cars need to be too, you reach and change temperature without looking, by feeling you know when something is turned, or clicked on and off. A screen you have to precisely put your finger in the right place, and if another finger accidentally touches you're changing other stuff too. Try doing all that lot when car is in movement, bumps etc.
Completely with you on that.
Sadly the car industry seems intent on autonomism and self driving so we can stare at the screens full time anyway soon..
Judging by the amount of people who are getting their kicks from the feel of the click through the aluminium shifter paddles, hard to understand how you can get sensory enjoyment from stroking glass...
but oh..they're pretty and shiny and light up like tron so... nice to look at at least
Sadly the car industry seems intent on autonomism and self driving so we can stare at the screens full time anyway soon..
Judging by the amount of people who are getting their kicks from the feel of the click through the aluminium shifter paddles, hard to understand how you can get sensory enjoyment from stroking glass...
but oh..they're pretty and shiny and light up like tron so... nice to look at at least
leakymanifold said:
Can someone check how the heated seats are turned on - this seems to be the major gripe people have with current JLR products, that they have to go into a sub menu! of all things holy! I need warm bottom, IMMEDIATELY
Drives me INSANE that you have to do this every time, and it doesn't work while wearing gloves.alock said:
It's £9k extra to go to the D240 from the D180. That's a lot for a second turbo.
Any yet it's only £4k more than the D240 to go to the D300 v6 diesel.
Nope. Any yet it's only £4k more than the D240 to go to the D300 v6 diesel.
Costs are like this:
Trim levels:
Base +£0
S +£5590
SE +£9530
HSE +£16030
First Edition +£31,270
R-Dynamic bling pack is £2420 option on S, SE and HSE
Engines:
180ps 4-cylinder turbo diesel (0-60 in 8.4s, 142g CO2s) (+£0)
All of the following force an upgrade to S trim minimum:
240ps 4-cylinder 2.0 twin turbo diesel (0-60 in 6.8s, 154g CO2) (+£3,300)
300ps 6-cylinder 3.0 twin turbo diesel (0-60 in 6.1s, 167g CO2) (+£7,250)
250ps 4-cylinder 2.0 turbo petrol (0-60 in 6.4s, 173g CO2) (+£1,710)
And this to HSE trim:
380ps 6-cylinder 3.0 turbo petrol (0-60 in 5.3s, 214g CO2) (+£9,350)
First Edition is allowed only with 6-cylinder diesel or petrol.
The trim packs are:
S 19" wheels (£1245), rear view camera (£360) better headlights (£775), smartphone pack (£240), powered boot (£415) & mirrors(£415), real vs fake leather seats (£1865 inclusive of mandatory upgrade from 8 manual to 10-way powered seats with driver memory), better sound (£310), internet connected satnav (£1540!). A total of £6,750 of value
SE 20" 7014 wheels (£2075), even better headlights (£1835), even better sound (£1345), interactive driver display (£520), drive pack (£615), park pack (£640), then as above boot (£415), rear view camera (£360), smartphone pack (£240), leather (£1865), mirrors (£415), satnav (£1540) = £11,865
HSE 21" 5047 wheels (£2905), better leather seats (£6415 inclusive of mandatory upgrade to cooled, massage seats with driver/passenger memory and 20-way function, and more bling), drive pro pack (£1980), park pack (£640), as above boot (£415) mirrors (£415), satnav (£1540), rear view camera (£360), interactive driver display (£520), sound (£1345), smartphone pack (£240) = £16,775
The First Edition ticks basically every option including £4565 wheels. The V6 petrol comes in at £85,450. The only options are paint - either metallic (+£0), premium metallic paint (£725), flux silver paint (£5280)
The base spec RRS comes with 240ps diesel @ £59700, including:
20" wheels,
Xenon headlights with LED Signature,
8-speaker sound.
metallic paint
rear view camera
gesture boot
Heated Front And Rear Seats
16-way memory seats
Perforated Oxford Leather seats
pro nav
power fold wing mirrors
rear view camera
If you want a Velar with the same engine, the base price is £53720 for an S model, to which you must add:
paint £725
wheels £1245 (they actually charge more than the difference in price to upgrade!)
heated rear seats (£310 - but only 10-way)
So that comes to around £56k. Not significantly cheaper. And the RRS seems to have better seats even then. Though the Velar has a slightly better (£300 worth) sound system.
If you can manage with 18" wheels, base spec seats, and the lower power engine (though performance about the same?), then the cost is £46,745 with metallic paint, power boot & mirrors, and rear view camera added. Quite a lot cheaper.....
Even a base engine S model is £51,145 with the metallic paint, which IMO is too close to the RRS. So you'd best stick with the 18" wheels tbh.
I suspect more profit in this thing though, if you can't resist the options list, as the entry-level RRS seems fully specced whereas this one wants you to spend a fortune. So perhaps the RRS *will* be binned.
Edited by thelawnet1 on Friday 3rd March 03:43
Lovely looking thing, modern, fresh. Interior beautiful.
While it does make my RRS seem a little 'dated', it has blown the frumpy F-Pace clean out the water! Not sure why you'd buy the Jag over the Velar, interior so much better.
As for overlapping pricing, a TOTR Velar Dynamic R HSE, is the same price as my RRS HSE Dynamic, but the RRS starts here and goes to £100k+...
Aside it being the latest greatest, not sure I'm gonna downgrade to one....drive before you buy.....
Also as has been mentioned, the seats! They look like the seats from the Disco Sport, if so that was one if the main reasons I never bought another. #uncomfy RRS seats are lovely.....
While it does make my RRS seem a little 'dated', it has blown the frumpy F-Pace clean out the water! Not sure why you'd buy the Jag over the Velar, interior so much better.
As for overlapping pricing, a TOTR Velar Dynamic R HSE, is the same price as my RRS HSE Dynamic, but the RRS starts here and goes to £100k+...
Aside it being the latest greatest, not sure I'm gonna downgrade to one....drive before you buy.....
Also as has been mentioned, the seats! They look like the seats from the Disco Sport, if so that was one if the main reasons I never bought another. #uncomfy RRS seats are lovely.....
Edited by Triple7 on Friday 3rd March 05:52
Cold said:
Funnily enough when Jaguar introduced the XF in 2008 they removed, from the voice control, the ability to tune the radio and change the climate control temperature which you could do on the earlier cars. When asked why they said it was because it didn't work too well with the American accent. So just for that they penalised all of us that can speak English correctly. thelawnet1 said:
alock said:
It's £9k extra to go to the D240 from the D180. That's a lot for a second turbo.
Any yet it's only £4k more than the D240 to go to the D300 v6 diesel.
Nope. Any yet it's only £4k more than the D240 to go to the D300 v6 diesel.
Costs are like this:
Trim levels:
Base +£0
S +£5590
SE +£9530
HSE +£16030
First Edition +£31,270
R-Dynamic bling pack is £2420 option on S, SE and HSE
Engines:
180ps 4-cylinder turbo diesel (0-60 in 8.4s, 142g CO2s) (+£0)
All of the following force an upgrade to S trim minimum:
240ps 4-cylinder 2.0 twin turbo diesel (0-60 in 6.8s, 154g CO2) (+£3,300)
300ps 6-cylinder 3.0 twin turbo diesel (0-60 in 6.1s, 167g CO2) (+£7,250)
250ps 4-cylinder 2.0 turbo petrol (0-60 in 6.4s, 173g CO2) (+£1,710)
And this to HSE trim:
380ps 6-cylinder 3.0 turbo petrol (0-60 in 5.3s, 214g CO2) (+£9,350)
First Edition is allowed only with 6-cylinder diesel or petrol.
The trim packs are:
S 19" wheels (£1245), rear view camera (£360) better headlights (£775), smartphone pack (£240), powered boot (£415) & mirrors(£415), real vs fake leather seats (£1865 inclusive of mandatory upgrade from 8 manual to 10-way powered seats with driver memory), better sound (£310), internet connected satnav (£1540!). A total of £6,750 of value
SE 20" 7014 wheels (£2075), even better headlights (£1835), even better sound (£1345), interactive driver display (£520), drive pack (£615), park pack (£640), then as above boot (£415), rear view camera (£360), smartphone pack (£240), leather (£1865), mirrors (£415), satnav (£1540) = £11,865
HSE 21" 5047 wheels (£2905), better leather seats (£6415 inclusive of mandatory upgrade to cooled, massage seats with driver/passenger memory and 20-way function, and more bling), drive pro pack (£1980), park pack (£640), as above boot (£415) mirrors (£415), satnav (£1540), rear view camera (£360), interactive driver display (£520), sound (£1345), smartphone pack (£240) = £16,775
The First Edition ticks basically every option including £4565 wheels. The V6 petrol comes in at £85,450. The only options are paint - either metallic (+£0), premium metallic paint (£725), flux silver paint (£5280)
The base spec RRS comes with 240ps diesel @ £59700, including:
20" wheels,
Xenon headlights with LED Signature,
8-speaker sound.
metallic paint
rear view camera
gesture boot
Heated Front And Rear Seats
16-way memory seats
Perforated Oxford Leather seats
pro nav
power fold wing mirrors
rear view camera
If you want a Velar with the same engine, the base price is £53720 for an S model, to which you must add:
paint £725
wheels £1245 (they actually charge more than the difference in price to upgrade!)
heated rear seats (£310 - but only 10-way)
So that comes to around £56k. Not significantly cheaper. And the RRS seems to have better seats even then. Though the Velar has a slightly better (£300 worth) sound system.
If you can manage with 18" wheels, base spec seats, and the lower power engine (though performance about the same?), then the cost is £46,745 with metallic paint, power boot & mirrors, and rear view camera added. Quite a lot cheaper.....
Even a base engine S model is £51,145 with the metallic paint, which IMO is too close to the RRS. So you'd best stick with the 18" wheels tbh.
I suspect more profit in this thing though, if you can't resist the options list, as the entry-level RRS seems fully specced whereas this one wants you to spend a fortune. So perhaps the RRS *will* be binned.
Edited by thelawnet1 on Friday 3rd March 03:43
anonymous said:
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Once it's out, the 300ps 4 pot is actually a fantastic car/engine combo. The assumption is that it's a heavy car, but they actually come in at under 2000kg, which for a fairly large SUV is really good going. The V6s (especially the Diesel) are nice, but for me, the 4 pot is the winner. And seeing as this is PH and none of us are vein, the prospect of a decent 4 pot won't get in the way of a good car 
I think many (me included) still assume a 4 pot is going to be asthmatic. Remember though that only 3 years ago, the V6 diesel base RRS had less power and torque than the twin turbo AJ20d...
anonymous said:
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It certainly didn't put customers off buing the Evoque which as you quite rightly pointed out, has a pretty awful engine lineupSadly, I don't think the points you raise are very high priorities for the majority of buyers in this segment - and if you are a keener driver the Cayenne makes more sense, although even then I think many buyers just like the badge / image. Range Rover has generally been more about luxury than out & out driving ability. Lots of 4x's round where I live & many of them have a sportier car on the driveway anyway
As you point out yourself re the Evoque, these cars are more for going to playgroups and Waitrose in, so low fuel consumption & car tax are going to be the manufacturer's & market's priority over throttle response & soundtrack
Just out of interest are you potentially in the market for a vehicle like this?
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