RE: Bugatti Chiron hits the road
Discussion
Vitorio said:
WCZ said:
Vitorio said:
slower then a veyron SS
?Wiki tells me that the Chiron is limited to 420 (and should do ~460 unleashed), but after the Veyron being such a big deal for hitting over the magic 400, the Chiron being limited to under the Veyron SS...
Presumably they'll want the 'base model' to be sold without having to advise owners to avoid top speed unless experts inspect the tyres beforehand. Then when they sell the SS model to a small but select subset of existing owners, they will fit the same tyres, but accompanied by a safety warning to remind them they are approaching the limits of physics.
Cynicism aside, the Chiron interests me more than the Veyron. It seems they've considered driver enjoyment as part of the equation, not just technology über alles.
SpudLink said:
I was under the impression the tyres were the reason for restricting the top speed. (No, I can't back that up, but I think I read it somewhere.)
Presumably they'll want the 'base model' to be sold without having to advise owners to avoid top speed unless experts inspect the tyres beforehand. Then when they sell the SS model to a small but select subset of existing owners, they will fit the same tyres, but accompanied by a safety warning to remind them they are approaching the limits of physics.
That was my understanding as well.Presumably they'll want the 'base model' to be sold without having to advise owners to avoid top speed unless experts inspect the tyres beforehand. Then when they sell the SS model to a small but select subset of existing owners, they will fit the same tyres, but accompanied by a safety warning to remind them they are approaching the limits of physics.
SpudLink said:
Cynicism aside, the Chiron interests me more than the Veyron. It seems they've considered driver enjoyment as part of the equation, not just technology über alles.
Agreed, I also much prefer the more distinctive styling of the Chiron (being pretty much the b
d lovechild of the Veyron and EB110), rather than the plainer Veyron.lestiq said:
I'm completely torn these days. Car design engineering, motorsport are all some of things I enjoy most out of life, I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't. But I don't know if I can really celebrate the ultimate expression of a car that probably uses more energy on a high speed run that I will in a normal week. Its nearly 1500 bhp, the only people that are driving these are probably contributing to the planets decline, so I can't really get excited about it either. So many talented engineers, designers, making effectively a giant polished member. I wonder what they could've achieved if they had turned their talents to the world at large.
I couldn't agree more. 1500 bhp... I really can't see the point in these vehicles. What's next 2000bhp?? and after that? If it was 1500 mpg and I'd be impressed.Kermit74 said:
lestiq said:
I'm completely torn these days. Car design engineering, motorsport are all some of things I enjoy most out of life, I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't. But I don't know if I can really celebrate the ultimate expression of a car that probably uses more energy on a high speed run that I will in a normal week. Its nearly 1500 bhp, the only people that are driving these are probably contributing to the planets decline, so I can't really get excited about it either. So many talented engineers, designers, making effectively a giant polished member. I wonder what they could've achieved if they had turned their talents to the world at large.
I couldn't agree more. 1500 bhp... I really can't see the point in these vehicles. What's next 2000bhp?? and after that? If it was 1500 mpg and I'd be impressed.If VW could make cars that much more efficient/eco friendly with a few engineers from Bugatti they'd do it - imagine the coup of being able to sell a family hatch that does 200mpg and emits daisies and kitten cuddles, wouldn't that be worth putting the Veyron sequel on hold?
But it's impossible with internal combustion while being reasonably practical, so they can't.
Dan Trent said:
Europa1 said:
Did you take a scuba in the think tank, before running various ideas up the flagpole to see if anyone saluted?
You are worryingly fluent in this language... Dan
I spend a lot of time in some very dull meetings in which I am constantly invited to deep dive, look at touchpoints and explore the envelopes, to name but a few - sadly the first 2 sound like the next thing you might be invited to do is drop your car keys into a bowl, but are in fact as dull as the third sounds. I find that going forwards, the only way to stay sane and not raise any red flags as we shift the paradigm to a fully integrated customer focussed integrated solution is to play a few rounds of bulls
t bingo.Kermit74 said:
I couldn't agree more. 1500 bhp... I really can't see the point in these vehicles. What's next 2000bhp?? and after that? If it was 1500 mpg and I'd be impressed.
At any sort of rational level it's hard to see the point in any car with more than about 150bhp. That's hardly the point though, is it? I can't really tell the difference between that and the Veyron.
The only thing that really interests me about these Bugattis is how they're going to fare in 10 or more years when you have to start replacing 40 grand starter motors and when the wheel supply runs out.
Running an Enzo is like a Ford Fiesta in comparison.
The only thing that really interests me about these Bugattis is how they're going to fare in 10 or more years when you have to start replacing 40 grand starter motors and when the wheel supply runs out.
Running an Enzo is like a Ford Fiesta in comparison.
kambites said:
Kermit74 said:
I couldn't agree more. 1500 bhp... I really can't see the point in these vehicles. What's next 2000bhp?? and after that? If it was 1500 mpg and I'd be impressed.
At any sort of rational level it's hard to see the point in any car with more than about 150bhp. That's hardly the point though, is it? As an aside - the very fact that they can quote a combined MPG in the 20's for a 1,500hp engine is an incredible achievement. (yes, I know it's all b
ks, yadda yadda). My old RX8 did 16mpg with 230hp, so come on - the fact that it doesn't list the mpg as gpm, is remarkable.I'll never be able to afford one and 1500hp is hysterically pointless, but we need to keep pushing what is possible to the limit. It just doesn't seem to have impact that the Veyron did to me, but I'm glad that I could still put an order in for one and drive it on a public road if I had the means to do so. Probably need mapping though.
lestiq said:
I'm completely torn these days. Car design engineering, motorsport are all some of things I enjoy most out of life, I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't. But I don't know if I can really celebrate the ultimate expression of a car that probably uses more energy on a high speed run that I will in a normal week. Its nearly 1500 bhp, the only people that are driving these are probably contributing to the planets decline, so I can't really get excited about it either. So many talented engineers, designers, making effectively a giant polished member. I wonder what they could've achieved if they had turned their talents to the world at large.
What a great post, I know what you mean, don't get me wrong I am a petrolhead, have been for most of my 57 years, however while I absolutely appreciate and applaud the engineering excellence that has made this car possible I find myself thinking it is just a bigger set of numbers, yes supercars have always been about numbers, but the F40, XJ220 various Lambos etc had configuration and displacement that was familiar, the Bugatti seems to be an exercise in engineering prowess along with something else I cant quite put my finger on.Maybe it is just me and I am getting old.
Krikkit said:
Did you get all cross-eyed and sweaty about the XL1 produced the other year?
If VW could make cars that much more efficient/eco friendly with a few engineers from Bugatti they'd do it - imagine the coup of being able to sell a family hatch that does 200mpg and emits daisies and kitten cuddles, wouldn't that be worth putting the Veyron sequel on hold?
But it's impossible with internal combustion while being reasonably practical, so they can't.
Do you know what, yeah I did! I was so damn impressed with the XL1 it changed my fleet outlook instantly, I really wanted one if they ever built it. My current goal is to have either a Honda insight mk1 or bmw i3 to get to work and back, then keep the mini for the weekends/roadtrip/trackdays. Alright its not totally daisies and kitten cuddles but it would certainly be a start to lowering my own carbon footprint and fingers crossed save some money. A bonus is that I find the tech involved fascinating.If VW could make cars that much more efficient/eco friendly with a few engineers from Bugatti they'd do it - imagine the coup of being able to sell a family hatch that does 200mpg and emits daisies and kitten cuddles, wouldn't that be worth putting the Veyron sequel on hold?
But it's impossible with internal combustion while being reasonably practical, so they can't.
I think we'll see a huge transformation in the next decade of our roads, I'm beginning to wonder that's why our roads have laid in such a state for so long, maybe our government is gambling on autonomous as the future and wants to upgrade to that rather than bring us to European standards now.
Willy Nilly said:
I'll never be able to afford one and 1500hp is hysterically pointless, but we need to keep pushing what is possible to the limit.
Exactly this last bit. At the risk of a hackneyed comparison again, the moon missions were done with no clear 'benefit' in mind, but they were done all the same. As long as people are pushing what's possible, we can benefit from the by-products in ways we don't even know yet.
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