RE: Bugatti Chiron hits the road
Discussion
There is another thread running at the moment about a documentary on Concorde. An exercise in pushing engineering to it's limits, so expensive it was really only for the privileged few. But knowing it was up there, that man had built something special, meant a lot to many of us kids. Now it seems we've grown into jaded middle aged men, dismissing a major feat of engineering as an irrelevant plaything of the super rich, lamenting the fact that the effort was not directed into something more worthy.
It's a bit of a shame really.
It's a bit of a shame really.
Video is apparently Private on my iPad. Anyone else?
Is this the same one?
https://youtu.be/yhG2HVaO9pI
Is this the same one?
https://youtu.be/yhG2HVaO9pI
Edited by Digger on Friday 3rd March 23:26
lestiq said:
Do you know what, yeah I did! I was so damn impressed with the XL1 it changed my fleet outlook instantly, I really wanted one if they ever built it. My current goal is to have either a Honda insight mk1 or bmw i3 to get to work and back, then keep the mini for the weekends/roadtrip/trackdays. Alright its not totally daisies and kitten cuddles but it would certainly be a start to lowering my own carbon footprint and fingers crossed save some money. A bonus is that I find the tech involved fascinating.
The really impressive bit about the XL1 is that they did build it. It'd take a while before you started to save money though, they're a little pricey (not in Bugatti realms, but certainly a step up from a Golf GTE):http://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-spottedykyw...
kambites said:
Kermit74 said:
I couldn't agree more. 1500 bhp... I really can't see the point in these vehicles. What's next 2000bhp?? and after that? If it was 1500 mpg and I'd be impressed.
At any sort of rational level it's hard to see the point in any car with more than about 150bhp. That's hardly the point though, is it? In fact I'd go as far as to say that in the south east of england you really don't want a car with less than 250 bhp.
I'm not generally the biggest VAG fan and in many ways I prefer the EB110 (particularly the SS) to either the Veyron or Chiron but they are an engineering masterclass.
Leaving the EB110 in the past, there is a unique place for this massively engineered car, so long as companies like Koenigsegg continue to build rawer hyper-cars..
I await the Chiron road test..
Leaving the EB110 in the past, there is a unique place for this massively engineered car, so long as companies like Koenigsegg continue to build rawer hyper-cars..
I await the Chiron road test..
I echo a bit the sentiments of lestiq, the Chiron is a technological exercise to admire but I can't see much fruit from it that could benefit society as a whole. Other then training of engineers, an exercise for the sake of it. An piece of automotive art perhaps? That inspires to what? It does seem to be uncannily efficient when using 3% of its potential, cylinder deactivation perhaps?
The car itself will probably sit stationary most of the time, and the owners will probably take the helicopter or the long range Panamera diesel if they want to quickly travel across Germany, just abouy the only use I could otherwise think of to use any of the potential of the Chiron... Well that is my hope, that whoever buys this, at least has the decency to enjoy it, be exited about it, and show it on the road and perhaps demonstrate for mere mortals what a ground bound 2 seater 'Concorde' looks like when you give it some...
The car itself will probably sit stationary most of the time, and the owners will probably take the helicopter or the long range Panamera diesel if they want to quickly travel across Germany, just abouy the only use I could otherwise think of to use any of the potential of the Chiron... Well that is my hope, that whoever buys this, at least has the decency to enjoy it, be exited about it, and show it on the road and perhaps demonstrate for mere mortals what a ground bound 2 seater 'Concorde' looks like when you give it some...
SpudLink said:
There is another thread running at the moment about a documentary on Concorde. An exercise in pushing engineering to it's limits, so expensive it was really only for the privileged few. But knowing it was up there, that man had built something special, meant a lot to many of us kids. Now it seems we've grown into jaded middle aged men, dismissing a major feat of engineering as an irrelevant plaything of the super rich, lamenting the fact that the effort was not directed into something more worthy.
It's a bit of a shame really.
It's the modern scourge of the politics of envy. And a race to the bottom. Rich people are bad and so on.It's a bit of a shame really.
I'll never own one of these, but I still dream of that Lamborghini Diablo SV in Purple like I did when I was 10. The limit of a lot of people's dreams seems to be a Leaf or an i3 if the are really aspirational.
I for one love the fact that cars like these are still being built, and think it will be a very sad day when they are not.
48Valves said:
SpudLink said:
There is another thread running at the moment about a documentary on Concorde. An exercise in pushing engineering to it's limits, so expensive it was really only for the privileged few. But knowing it was up there, that man had built something special, meant a lot to many of us kids. Now it seems we've grown into jaded middle aged men, dismissing a major feat of engineering as an irrelevant plaything of the super rich, lamenting the fact that the effort was not directed into something more worthy.
It's a bit of a shame really.
It's the modern scourge of the politics of envy. And a race to the bottom. Rich people are bad and so on.It's a bit of a shame really.
I'll never own one of these, but I still dream of that Lamborghini Diablo SV in Purple like I did when I was 10. The limit of a lot of people's dreams seems to be a Leaf or an i3 if the are really aspirational.
I for one love the fact that cars like these are still being built, and think it will be a very sad day when they are not.
This boo the rich argument has got to stop, thats not what it is at all. How can you not see the difference between Concorde and a Bugatti? One is something that anyone in the public could ride, one is something you have to have an invitation to buy.... One is something an entire Nation looked up to..!
BTW.
I'm not middle aged. I'm way younger than that. by only a few years mind you..... lol
I think my point is, we've done the plane, we've done the car. Seeing as the planet is you struggling a bit right now, maybe we could turn our brilliant minds towards that for a little bit...?
Edited by lestiq on Saturday 4th March 12:44
SpudLink said:
There is another thread running at the moment about a documentary on Concorde. An exercise in pushing engineering to it's limits, so expensive it was really only for the privileged few. But knowing it was up there, that man had built something special, meant a lot to many of us kids. Now it seems we've grown into jaded middle aged men, dismissing a major feat of engineering as an irrelevant plaything of the super rich, lamenting the fact that the effort was not directed into something more worthy.
It's a bit of a shame really.
Has this car really pushed the limits of engineering? Other than the headline bhp figure I'm sure there's nothing that hasn't been done in F1 or LMP1 engineering wise already? It's a bit of a shame really.
I agree engineering needs to push boundaries, its how we progress - but is the Chiron really the pinnacle of engineering achievement. I'm not of that opinion.
Dan Trent said:
Europa1 said:
Mr Trent, you used the phrase "pull the trigger". Go and stand in the corner and think about what you've done.
I had to leverage my best creative thinking and blue sky how I was going to action that particular terminology. I think I successfully put it in the back of the net there.
Dan
Harvey Mushman00 said:
lestiq said:
I'm completely torn these days. Car design engineering, motorsport are all some of things I enjoy most out of life, I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't. But I don't know if I can really celebrate the ultimate expression of a car that probably uses more energy on a high speed run that I will in a normal week. Its nearly 1500 bhp, the only people that are driving these are probably contributing to the planets decline, so I can't really get excited about it either. So many talented engineers, designers, making effectively a giant polished member. I wonder what they could've achieved if they had turned their talents to the world at large.
What a great post, I know what you mean, don't get me wrong I am a petrolhead, have been for most of my 57 years, however while I absolutely appreciate and applaud the engineering excellence that has made this car possible I find myself thinking it is just a bigger set of numbers, yes supercars have always been about numbers, but the F40, XJ220 various Lambos etc had configuration and displacement that was familiar, the Bugatti seems to be an exercise in engineering prowess along with something else I cant quite put my finger on.Maybe it is just me and I am getting old.
king love this Housey said:
Too me still the daddy. Not my cuppa looks wise, but gives the impression of being built from kryptonite
I tend to agree. Especially looks wise. In a line up of all modern supercars, it's the only one that is different. Everything else is an evolution of the original wedge look. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff