RE: Lamborghini Huracan Performante - Geneva 2017

[BRR]

Surely the levels of performance these cars are now capable of makes the numbers irrelevant, the performance is miles beyond the capability of 99% of the buyers and just not relevant to the ownership experience. I'd love to be able to afford a car in this league but if I could afford one then the performance figures would be pretty low down on the list of things I considered when choosing which one to buy.

The Lambo does look great

[Guvernator]

I love the mechanical's of this car and that NA engine sounds like an absolute masterpiece, you can shove your turbo'd engines Ferrari and Maclaren, this is what a supercar engine should be like.

My only small complaint is that it looks a bit subdued, I'd expect a Lamborghini special edition to look like it's going to rip your face off, this look like it might give you a mild rash at best.

[Krikkit]

thegreenhell said:

Juno said:

My Spec

Interior

So you haven't gone for the bare carbon door panels with pull straps like the Nurburgring car then?

Roll cage required for those I suspect...

[br d]

BRR said:

Surely the levels of performance these cars are now capable of makes the numbers irrelevant, the performance is miles beyond the capability of 99% of the buyers and just not relevant to the ownership experience. I'd love to be able to afford a car in this league but if I could afford one then the performance figures would be pretty low down on the list of things I considered when choosing which one to buy.

For me it depends on what performance figures I'm looking at.
For the Ring time I agree with you, It doesn't matter which modern Supercar I was driving I could never get around a course like the Ring at anywhere near it's full potential. A 5 second difference over 7 minutes is entirely irrelevant and I'm not about to start throwing it into corners on a public road in "Ring mode". Even in the new Lambo I doubt I could get around in under 10.

For the straight line sprint times though I completely disagree with you.

This is something absolutely immediate in everyday driving. My current car can do 0-100 mph in 5.6 seconds and that is very noticable in everyday driving. Obviously I'm not advocating going down your local High Street on a Saturday afternoon and doing 0-100 runs but out on an early hoon, coming off a roundabout onto an empty DC then that sort of acceleration is a joy. It's something that can be used and appreciated very often and I take regular trips to Europe where there are plenty of places you can mash the throttle. It might only be for a few seconds but if you're spending a quarter of a million quid on a car then you want the maximum thrills you can get.
For this reason I do look at acceleration figures, and while I'll obviously have to like everything else about the car if it came to a coin toss between 2 I would go with the straight line performance.

Let's face it all these cars can handle and corner well beyond what I'm going to need but a quicker car is apparent and you can enjoy it.

I'm going to look long and hard at the Performante but I certainly won't be making a decision based on 6:52, or whatever it turns out to be.

[matrignano]

Juno what shade of green is that?
Looks much darker than Ithaca or Mantis

[sideways sid]

Sounds like an amazing bit of engineering.

Not sure about the active aero computing taking half a second to react though?

That's quite a distance at 200mph with the characteristics of the car altering pretty dramatically.

[PurpleAki]

The car won't be changing its aero profile constantly at 200 mph though will it. It will be in top speed mode by default until it drops back down to a certain speed.

[Yipper]

exceed said:

Davey S2 said:

Yipper said:

Lambo now has the best-handling and fastest supercar on the planet. Lambo's engineering team, five-plus years in the making, is now in a whole different league to the rest of the entire industry.

The game has changed.

'0-125mph in 8.9 seconds. Quick, but by the latter benchmark over a second off the pace of the new McLaren Super Series also making its debut in Geneva.'

So not as quick as the McLaren 720 then?

It also doesn't have a full carbon chassis like the McLaren.

Great car but hardly a 'different league'.

I don't doubt we will have the same 'Ring time fiasco between this, the 720s and the 488 Speciale when that arrives but that's just top trumps anyway.

650S and 675LT beat this already... But it's not all about straight line performance, there's drama, etc... Will be a great car this, but still not woo'd over by the brand/Huracan.

The ~£210k, ~630bhp Huracan Performante is ~10secs faster round the Nurb than the ~£900k, ~900bhp McLaren P1.

If the HP has cost £900k and had 900bhp, it would be somewhere around 30-60 seconds faster.

The game has definitely changed and moved to a higher level.

[BRR]

br d said:

For me it depends on what performance figures I'm looking at.
For the Ring time I agree with you, It doesn't matter which modern Supercar I was driving I could never get around a course like the Ring at anywhere near it's full potential. A 5 second difference over 7 minutes is entirely irrelevant and I'm not about to start throwing it into corners on a public road in "Ring mode". Even in the new Lambo I doubt I could get around in under 10.

For the straight line sprint times though I completely disagree with you.

This is something absolutely immediate in everyday driving. My current car can do 0-100 mph in 5.6 seconds and that is very noticable in everyday driving. Obviously I'm not advocating going down your local High Street on a Saturday afternoon and doing 0-100 runs but out on an early hoon, coming off a roundabout onto an empty DC then that sort of acceleration is a joy. It's something that can be used and appreciated very often and I take regular trips to Europe where there are plenty of places you can mash the throttle. It might only be for a few seconds but if you're spending a quarter of a million quid on a car then you want the maximum thrills you can get.
For this reason I do look at acceleration figures, and while I'll obviously have to like everything else about the car if it came to a coin toss between 2 I would go with the straight line performance.

Let's face it all these cars can handle and corner well beyond what I'm going to need but a quicker car is apparent and you can enjoy it.

I'm going to look long and hard at the Performante but I certainly won't be making a decision based on 6:52, or whatever it turns out to be.

I agree straight line performance is more immediately noticeable and as such I can see why it's important, however people are slating this car for it being 1 second slower to 125 than the 720s, would anybody notice that? maybe some would but to be honest I doubt I would, definitely not enough for that one second to be the deciding factor on which car I bought anyway

[br d]

BRR said:

br d said:

For me it depends on what performance figures I'm looking at.
For the Ring time I agree with you, It doesn't matter which modern Supercar I was driving I could never get around a course like the Ring at anywhere near it's full potential. A 5 second difference over 7 minutes is entirely irrelevant and I'm not about to start throwing it into corners on a public road in "Ring mode". Even in the new Lambo I doubt I could get around in under 10.

For the straight line sprint times though I completely disagree with you.

This is something absolutely immediate in everyday driving. My current car can do 0-100 mph in 5.6 seconds and that is very noticable in everyday driving. Obviously I'm not advocating going down your local High Street on a Saturday afternoon and doing 0-100 runs but out on an early hoon, coming off a roundabout onto an empty DC then that sort of acceleration is a joy. It's something that can be used and appreciated very often and I take regular trips to Europe where there are plenty of places you can mash the throttle. It might only be for a few seconds but if you're spending a quarter of a million quid on a car then you want the maximum thrills you can get.
For this reason I do look at acceleration figures, and while I'll obviously have to like everything else about the car if it came to a coin toss between 2 I would go with the straight line performance.

Let's face it all these cars can handle and corner well beyond what I'm going to need but a quicker car is apparent and you can enjoy it.

I'm going to look long and hard at the Performante but I certainly won't be making a decision based on 6:52, or whatever it turns out to be.

I agree straight line performance is more immediately noticeable and as such I can see why it's important, however people are slating this car for it being 1 second slower to 125 than the 720s, would anybody notice that? maybe some would but to be honest I doubt I would, definitely not enough for that one second to be the deciding factor on which car I bought anyway

I think you would notice it tbh. My last 5 or 6 cars have all had a steady but small increase in straight line speed and there is always a "Wow" moment, you do adjust to it and sort of normalise it and then the next car feels quicker again. I'm certainly not slating the Lambo for being a second slower - I owned a Lambo slower than this new one and it was still fabulous fun - but I respect that for many it wouldn't be a deciding factor.

Of course it's entirely possible I'm just desperately hanging on to the increasing stats as a way of justifying my weakness for buying these ridiculous absurdities in the first place! I love a Supercar but as has been pointed out many times on PH, nobody bloody needs one!

[PurpleAki]

I think I'd trade a second in performance at 125mph to have the V10 soundtrack at all speeds.

And as I don't view myself as a driving god, I think I'd appreciate the 4 wheel drive when really pushing it.

[br d]

PurpleAki said:

I think I'd trade a second in performance at 125mph to have the V10 soundtrack at all speeds.

And as I don't view myself as a driving god, I think I'd appreciate the 4 wheel drive when really pushing it.

Yep the 4WD is a factor, saved my skin a few times when I had the Lambo, like you I'm no driving god. And the V10 howl is pretty hard to beat

I like the 720S so far, it's very challenging to look at but I'm getting there. I'd want the convertible so I'm going to have to wait and see what happens to the doors and all that glass when the roof comes off before deciding.

Will definitely test drive the new Lambo in the meantime.

Have you ordered Purple or are you waiting for a test?

[PurpleAki]

Like you I think I may wait until I see convertible versions of both. However, as much as I appreciate the tech of the 720 I'm not really sure I could ever get on with the looks. I think you'd have to option it like mad or even MSO it to get it to my taste, which could prove expensive... Whereas I was pleasantly surprised by the price of the Performante.

As an aside I've never owned a V12 so an Aventador Roadster would be rather nice. The child in me needs to own a car with scissor doors at some point!

[noble12345]

This R8 in drag, like its laptime, is ZERO.. ZERO CRED. Talk about flushing your rep down the toilet. Like its diesel cars, VW has killed Lamborghini.

[Adz The Rat]

noble12345 said:

This R8 in drag, like its laptime, is ZERO.. ZERO CRED. Talk about flushing your rep down the toilet. Like its diesel cars, VW has killed Lamborghini.

Yep, killed it. I bet they won't sell a single car.........

Bore off.

[BVB]

Wow. This is the only true orange supercar at the show.