RE: New Porsche 911 GT3 - Geneva 2017
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whats the point of reporting on a car you cant actually buy ?
and if you can it will be at a whacking great premium.... at the consumers expense.
shouldn't porsche be ticked off for this nonsense by the press eventually ? its sold as a limited supply car only for another limited supply variant to be released a year later.... and for PH to fawn all over the latest limited run.
self perpetuating nonsense that is actually not in the interests of the majority of your subscriber PH....
and if you can it will be at a whacking great premium.... at the consumers expense.
shouldn't porsche be ticked off for this nonsense by the press eventually ? its sold as a limited supply car only for another limited supply variant to be released a year later.... and for PH to fawn all over the latest limited run.
self perpetuating nonsense that is actually not in the interests of the majority of your subscriber PH....
Edited by bobo on Tuesday 7th March 10:52
I am nearing the purchase of a 997 GT3 RS 4.0. Its mostly for investment but with the view to using it a little.
Ironically,now I can buy a 991 GT3 with manual, I have no desire to do so and would prefer the PDK
What does this tell me
-Manual really is for collectors who need bragging rights over small numbers and with no real utility for the car short of sunny day enjoyment
-PDK is actually much less of a faf in the real world and is acceptable even to enthusiasts.
Ferrari et al all seem to have gone the same way..
Ironically,now I can buy a 991 GT3 with manual, I have no desire to do so and would prefer the PDK
What does this tell me
-Manual really is for collectors who need bragging rights over small numbers and with no real utility for the car short of sunny day enjoyment
-PDK is actually much less of a faf in the real world and is acceptable even to enthusiasts.
Ferrari et al all seem to have gone the same way..
Paracetamol said:
I am nearing the purchase of a 997 GT3 RS 4.0. Its mostly for investment but with the view to using it a little.
Ironically,now I can buy a 991 GT3 with manual, I have no desire to do so and would prefer the PDK
What does this tell me
-Manual really is for collectors who need bragging rights over small numbers and with no real utility for the car short of sunny day enjoyment
-PDK is actually much less of a faf in the real world and is acceptable even to enthusiasts.
Ferrari et al all seem to have gone the same way..
ISWYM but am unsure. Ferraris and the like are not and never have been tracked to the extent that Porsches - GT or otherwise - are. The element of, in Ferrari's case, having a race/F1 car for the road and the kerbside appeal, have always been stronger.Ironically,now I can buy a 991 GT3 with manual, I have no desire to do so and would prefer the PDK
What does this tell me
-Manual really is for collectors who need bragging rights over small numbers and with no real utility for the car short of sunny day enjoyment
-PDK is actually much less of a faf in the real world and is acceptable even to enthusiasts.
Ferrari et al all seem to have gone the same way..
I'm looking at GT3s from the other end of the scale - thinking about trading up to a 997 GT3, and when you look at a 'good' 997.2 3.8, you're then at similar money to a new 991.2 GT3. If/when I can justify the change, I think the earlier car would be more enjoyable for me and possibly a better investment. A manual 'box is one of the things you can eke out mechanical enjoyment and involvement at road legal speeds.
bobo said:
whats the point of reporting on a car you cant actually buy ?
and if you can it will be at a whacking great premium.... at the consumers expense.
shouldn't porsche be ticked off for this nonsense by the press eventually ? its sold as a limited supply car only for another limited supply variant to be released a year later.... and for PH to fawn all over the latest limited run.
self perpetuating nonsense that is actually not in the interests of the majority of your subscriber PH....
Yes, this is beyond parody now.and if you can it will be at a whacking great premium.... at the consumers expense.
shouldn't porsche be ticked off for this nonsense by the press eventually ? its sold as a limited supply car only for another limited supply variant to be released a year later.... and for PH to fawn all over the latest limited run.
self perpetuating nonsense that is actually not in the interests of the majority of your subscriber PH....
Edited by bobo on Tuesday 7th March 10:52
Getting a new GT3 or other similar "special" vehicle is only really possible if you have a friendly relationship with the DP and you've bought before. It has become a horrible, cliquey little thing more populated by people with too much hair product keen to make an investment, sadly. There are some proper enthusiasts but they have to take their turn next to other people who are "favoured" by the DP for some inexplicable reason. It is a ghastly process and, frankly, about as much fun as an enema.
A sniffed around a Cayman GT4 a while back, but frankly the people involved and the cloak and dagger b
ks was excruciatingly crass. I suspect there may be pampass grass growing outside the DP's house. That may be another way of getting one so ask your Mrs if she is up for it.
Maybe it would be better if they just bumped the price up to £200K or whatever. Probably less chance of flipping, would sell to the people who want one rather than chancers making cash, and at least it'd put it so far out of my financial reach that I would never dream of being able to buy brand new.
I think it's the fact they're so (relatively) affordable that drives people nuts. A 488 is no easier to get hold of, but with the price being twice as much no-one cares.
I think it's the fact they're so (relatively) affordable that drives people nuts. A 488 is no easier to get hold of, but with the price being twice as much no-one cares.
Davey S2 said:
av185 said:
Davey S2 said:
Those in the know seem to think each dealer will get around 5 cars max.
No.332 991.1 GT3s.
480 ish 991.2 expected.
Equating to around 15 per dealer.
In 3 runs.
The main point here is they keep the price so low (488 is 182k v the £110 ish for a GT3)- the market value of these cars is way higher when compared to offerings from Ferrari and others, thus the overs market takes them up to their true value just like a stock being issued at IPO (continuing the asset analogy).
Thus the values of previous Gen cars is protected. I think the RS market is however truly bonkers.
Digga said:
epom said:
Aren't the GT3's a regular run Porsche model (within reason). So I assume they will make as many as they need to?
No, they're not built by the main factory and they are made on limited production runs. Google is your friend.http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Always intrigued by the PDK/Manual argument. Before I have my say let me point out that to my horror, today I realise I am poor and so this decision will never have relevance.
But having driven a lot of both types of car I think in my case it all boils down to do you want the greatest velocity or the greatest challenge.
If you want to be challenged without having to ensure you clip every apex to perfection get the manual -at lower speed you'll get satisfaction from getting it just right. If you want to achieve the greatest velocity get the PDK, in every sense better as it allows you to concentrate on the positioning rather than the driving.
As a road driver I'll always get a manual - struggling to get it right (I'm not the greatest driver lets be honest) is for me all part of the pleasure, but I do understand the track people.
Not so sure about those who want Auto for the Kings road though.
Yes I know - maybe I should get a Morgan!
But having driven a lot of both types of car I think in my case it all boils down to do you want the greatest velocity or the greatest challenge.
If you want to be challenged without having to ensure you clip every apex to perfection get the manual -at lower speed you'll get satisfaction from getting it just right. If you want to achieve the greatest velocity get the PDK, in every sense better as it allows you to concentrate on the positioning rather than the driving.
As a road driver I'll always get a manual - struggling to get it right (I'm not the greatest driver lets be honest) is for me all part of the pleasure, but I do understand the track people.
Not so sure about those who want Auto for the Kings road though.
Yes I know - maybe I should get a Morgan!
epom said:
Digga said:
epom said:
Aren't the GT3's a regular run Porsche model (within reason). So I assume they will make as many as they need to?
No, they're not built by the main factory and they are made on limited production runs. Google is your friend.http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
epom said:
It's ok, I've found a much cheaper and an even rarer one.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Wow.... that is... err... quite somethinghttp://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Ekona said:
Maybe it would be better if they just bumped the price up to £200K or whatever. Probably less chance of flipping, would sell to the people who want one rather than chancers making cash, and at least it'd put it so far out of my financial reach that I would never dream of being able to buy brand new.
ah but then PH and co wouldn't find it so interesting now would they. and then how interesting would a VAG derivative really be? as for market dictates price comment, yes especially in a market of 1 and you distort it .... with media help. just like this article.
fear not fan boys, there will be another gt3/4 derivative thats even better (marginally) but even less accessible in a years time. talk about porsche taking the living p1ss out of the media to get it to market its products lol !!!
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