RE: Alpine A110 - Geneva 2017
Discussion
M1C said:
Ref air intakes - aren't they what the dark areas are next to/inside the C pillars? Granted they are not as noticable as they would have been in lower on the body.
Oh yes, you're probably right they are. Which sort of proves my point that I was looking for them and couldn't see them as I expected something more like on the Clio V6 or a Ferrari etc. Something that could have helped brand awareness for example as there were a couple of posts way back on here asking if it was front engined because they knew it is engineered by Renault Sport. Perhaps a styling trick missed that could have emphasised how bespoke the engineering is on this.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Prestonese said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Hardly comparable. The GT86 suffered from poor performance given how it looked and how much it cost.
To be fair I think cmoose was saying the same thing. His point was also about the positive reviews not necessarily leading to sales given both cars are a mixed bag (rather them actually sharing the same characteristics). It would be a shame though if the Alpine turns out to be a great car but goes the same way as the GT86 in terms of general public acceptance and sales to ensure the longevity of the brand/concept.
The Box, Elise/Exige, Alpine are all effectively mass produced generic stuff. The 4C is a handmade carbon fibre tuxedo. Its something different entirely. How it drives or is reviewed frankly is absolutely irrelevant to its existence!
Wow. well the British reviews are coming in and Autocar has given it one of their rare 5 star verdicts.
Interestingly they talk about some of the cars mentioned on here in previous posts like the GT86 or MX5 that haven't quite made greatness because of problems but in this case the A110 has nailed it.
Verdict.
"Sometimes you drive a sports car – a Ferrari 458 Speciale, McLaren P1, Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0, or Ariel Nomad – and know that, somehow, you’re driving a landmark car. That’s the kind of feeling – even without considering the bravery of Renault to push the button on making it – the A110 gives me. Perhaps it really will be the start of something big. But even if it isn’t, the A110 is truly, wonderfully, special."
And the great thing is it's not yet another near pointless £200k supercar to be supplied to the top 50 people who suck up to the Dealer Principal but something a lot more people can buy if they want to. At last!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/alpine/a110/f...
Interestingly they talk about some of the cars mentioned on here in previous posts like the GT86 or MX5 that haven't quite made greatness because of problems but in this case the A110 has nailed it.
Verdict.
"Sometimes you drive a sports car – a Ferrari 458 Speciale, McLaren P1, Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0, or Ariel Nomad – and know that, somehow, you’re driving a landmark car. That’s the kind of feeling – even without considering the bravery of Renault to push the button on making it – the A110 gives me. Perhaps it really will be the start of something big. But even if it isn’t, the A110 is truly, wonderfully, special."
And the great thing is it's not yet another near pointless £200k supercar to be supplied to the top 50 people who suck up to the Dealer Principal but something a lot more people can buy if they want to. At last!
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/alpine/a110/f...
DeejRC said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Prestonese said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Hardly comparable. The GT86 suffered from poor performance given how it looked and how much it cost.
To be fair I think cmoose was saying the same thing. His point was also about the positive reviews not necessarily leading to sales given both cars are a mixed bag (rather them actually sharing the same characteristics). It would be a shame though if the Alpine turns out to be a great car but goes the same way as the GT86 in terms of general public acceptance and sales to ensure the longevity of the brand/concept.
The Box, Elise/Exige, Alpine are all effectively mass produced generic stuff. The 4C is a handmade carbon fibre tuxedo. Its something different entirely. How it drives or is reviewed frankly is absolutely irrelevant to its existence!
Guybrush said:
One has to drive a 4C to really know. It's brilliant.
Alfa gave me one for a day. Its not brilliant IMO. I drove it on the same roads I drive my Evora on across the Cotswolds. Handling and chassis dynamics with the 4C are not up with the Lotus, consequently it is slower and scarier from A-B on Cotswolds B roads.DeejRC said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Prestonese said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Hardly comparable. The GT86 suffered from poor performance given how it looked and how much it cost.
To be fair I think cmoose was saying the same thing. His point was also about the positive reviews not necessarily leading to sales given both cars are a mixed bag (rather them actually sharing the same characteristics). It would be a shame though if the Alpine turns out to be a great car but goes the same way as the GT86 in terms of general public acceptance and sales to ensure the longevity of the brand/concept.
The Box, Elise/Exige, Alpine are all effectively mass produced generic stuff. The 4C is a handmade carbon fibre tuxedo. Its something different entirely. How it drives or is reviewed frankly is absolutely irrelevant to its existence!
Must be a reason they aren't selling.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Must be a reason they aren't selling.
I don't think they were ever planning to sell a huge number of them though. I'm not aware of them sitting around in dealers failing to find homes? I've seen a handful out on the road; not keen on the styling at all, this Alpine is much better looking IMO.
Edited by kambites on Friday 8th December 09:22
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Hardly comparable. The GT86 suffered from poor performance given how it looked and how much it cost.
Quite but the Alpine suffers from good performance but poor cost. It is almost double a GT86. A brand new GT86 with a cosworth supercharger kit will still land you with 10K change if not more. Edited by BricktopST205 on Friday 8th December 09:57
BricktopST205 said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Hardly comparable. The GT86 suffered from poor performance given how it looked and how much it cost.
Quite but the Alpine suffers from good performance but poor cost. It is almost double a GT86. A brand new GT86 with a cosworth supercharger kit will still land you with 10K change if not more. Edited by BricktopST205 on Friday 8th December 09:57
DeejRC said:
The 4C is a handmade carbon fibre tuxedo. Its something different entirely. How it drives or is reviewed frankly is absolutely irrelevant to its existence!
So you're suggesting someone spanks £50k on a mid-engined car from a marque with a sporting heritage because of how they built it rather than how it drives? I'm not sure your tuxedo analogy works here - you're paying someone a lot of money for a tailored jacket, but how it functions as a jacket isn't relevant?See, with Porsche now down-sizing, from 6 to 4-cylinders, it does leave less of a gap between the competitors. I wasn't keen on the looks of the Alpine, at first, but i'm really starting to warm to it now.
However, despite this, i think Porsche will still sell their Boxster 718's like hot cakes. I really like this A110, as i'm quite the Renault Sport fan, but i'm not sure it'll sell in great numbers, unfortunately.
However, despite this, i think Porsche will still sell their Boxster 718's like hot cakes. I really like this A110, as i'm quite the Renault Sport fan, but i'm not sure it'll sell in great numbers, unfortunately.
culpz said:
See, with Porsche now down-sizing, from 6 to 4-cylinders, it does leave less of a gap between the competitors. I wasn't keen on the looks of the Alpine, at first, but i'm really starting to warm to it now.
However, despite this, i think Porsche will still sell their Boxster 718's like hot cakes. I really like this A110, as i'm quite the Renault Sport fan, but i'm not sure it'll sell in great numbers, unfortunately.
Production capacity will be the limiting factor in the short to medium term. Before any of these journalists reports alpine had 4300+ deposits. Given the extremely positive reports this must surely rise. That will mean waiting for delivery probably 18 months, may be 2 years. However, despite this, i think Porsche will still sell their Boxster 718's like hot cakes. I really like this A110, as i'm quite the Renault Sport fan, but i'm not sure it'll sell in great numbers, unfortunately.
bcr5784 said:
Production capacity will be the limiting factor in the short to medium term. Before any of these journalists reports alpine had 4300+ deposits. Given the extremely positive reports this must surely rise. That will mean waiting for delivery probably 18 months, may be 2 years.
I think that such numbers were prepared to buy into the declared ethos of the Alpine suggests it has quite wide appeal. Let's face it quite large numbers bought the original elise - with a much narrower focus - which says to me that if you produce an outstanding product people will buy it.
I think that such numbers were prepared to buy into the declared ethos of the Alpine suggests it has quite wide appeal. Let's face it quite large numbers bought the original elise - with a much narrower focus - which says to me that if you produce an outstanding product people will buy it.
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Alpine are going to struggle at this price point. It was always going to be a good sports car (hey....Renaultsport developed it), but it’s going to be tough to relaunch an obscure brand. It really has to demolish its rivals to have a chance at the same price point.
Unfortunately, a lot of people will expect the demolition to be a “numbers” demolition. And that has never been how Renaultsport competes.
I sincerely hope they are successful.
Unfortunately, a lot of people will expect the demolition to be a “numbers” demolition. And that has never been how Renaultsport competes.
I sincerely hope they are successful.
Edited by RBH58 on Saturday 9th December 01:55
RBH58 said:
Alpine are going to struggle at this price point. It was always going to be a good sports car (hey....Renaultsport developed it), but it’s going to be tough to relaunch an obscure brand. It really has to demolish its rivals to have a chance at the same price point.
Unfortunately, a lot of people will expect the demolition to be a “numbers” demolition. And that has never been how Renaultsport competes.
I sincerely hope they are successful.
It does look pricey at UK prices, but the 718 is both more expensive and less well equipped in euros. There is bound to be a realignment of UK and European prices to reflect the devaluation of the UK pound - probably before many UK cars are delivered. Even at current prices, the PE is cheaper than a 718 to the same specUnfortunately, a lot of people will expect the demolition to be a “numbers” demolition. And that has never been how Renaultsport competes.
I sincerely hope they are successful.
Edited by RBH58 on Saturday 9th December 01:55
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