RE: Vauxhall Astra Coupe 888: Catch It While You Can
Discussion
Jimmy Recard said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Not one single job depends on whether the Vauxhall brand continues, or whether it's replaced by the same brand as is used everywhere else. Actually, that may not be true. One person's sole job may be to swap the logo on marketing material at the same time as somebody else makes it market-specific in other ways...
Some jobs - not "hundreds of thousands" - may depend on whether or not PSA pull Opel (whichever badge) out of the UK completely, but that's massively unlikely. There's about 3,000 people employed between Ellesmere Port and Luton, and 330 dealers nationally. I wonder how many people the average dealer employs... Plus, of course, if Opel did pull out of the UK, many of those dealers are multi-franchise sites, would re-franchise, or would simply become independents. Component manufacture may or may not depend on the location of the assembly plants - parts are already moved internationally.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that it's now boring reading your protests about the names 'Opel' and 'Vauxhall'.Some jobs - not "hundreds of thousands" - may depend on whether or not PSA pull Opel (whichever badge) out of the UK completely, but that's massively unlikely. There's about 3,000 people employed between Ellesmere Port and Luton, and 330 dealers nationally. I wonder how many people the average dealer employs... Plus, of course, if Opel did pull out of the UK, many of those dealers are multi-franchise sites, would re-franchise, or would simply become independents. Component manufacture may or may not depend on the location of the assembly plants - parts are already moved internationally.
You are fully aware that they are exactly the same cars with different names used for different territories - so what is wrong with the author of this article using the name 'Vauxhall' as a description as the name which is more familiar to him and his audience and ultimately describes the same company?
Perhaps I should have quoted the section that I was specifically referring to - so let me do that now...
Alex Robbins said:
Does the news mean the end of the Vauxhall brand? Hopefully not. For one thing, there's the hundreds of thousands of livelihoods that depend on it in the UK.
I hope that clarifies it for you.The author starts by referring to the end of "the Vauxhall brand", then goes on to suggest (a massively inflated random number of) jobs depend on it. Well, either he's talking about the end of the brand, or he's talking about complete cessation of sales from the country's second-biggest selling car manufacturer (in which case, why be so specific about "the brand"?). As you said, they're two different things entirely, since "the Vauxhall brand" is just a brand, not the manufacturer and infrastructure. Then there's the completely fictitious random number... Can we at least agree that's a load of steaming b
ks?TooMany2cvs said:
I hope that clarifies it for you.
The author starts by referring to the end of "the Vauxhall brand", then goes on to suggest (a massively inflated random number of) jobs depend on it. Well, either he's talking about the end of the brand, or he's talking about complete cessation of sales from the country's second-biggest selling car manufacturer (in which case, why be so specific about "the brand"?). As you said, they're two different things entirely, since "the Vauxhall brand" is just a brand, not the manufacturer and infrastructure. Then there's the completely fictitious random number... Can we at least agree that's a load of steaming bks?
i agree with the strange number, but;The author starts by referring to the end of "the Vauxhall brand", then goes on to suggest (a massively inflated random number of) jobs depend on it. Well, either he's talking about the end of the brand, or he's talking about complete cessation of sales from the country's second-biggest selling car manufacturer (in which case, why be so specific about "the brand"?). As you said, they're two different things entirely, since "the Vauxhall brand" is just a brand, not the manufacturer and infrastructure. Then there's the completely fictitious random number... Can we at least agree that's a load of steaming b
ks?Imagine that Opel had been written instead of Vauxhall.
It's simply the author choosing to write Vauxhall instead of Opel because that's more familiar to his readership. Everyone here knows that Vauxhall dealerships in the UK could tomorrow become Opel dealerships and the cars would be the same.
The author knows this. One name or the other had to be used (the word 'brand' did not, admittedly) and Vauxhall was chosen for the target audience.
Jimmy Recard said:
One name or the other had to be used (the word 'brand' did not, admittedly) and Vauxhall was chosen for the target audience.
And if the word "brand" hadn't changed the entire meaning of the sentence from referring to the cars to referring to the brand, then I wouldn't have said anything.TooMany2cvs said:
And if the word "brand" hadn't changed the entire meaning of the sentence from referring to the cars to referring to the brand, then I wouldn't have said anything.
I have to agree with you there, that should change the focus to Vauxhall as opposed to Opel, rather than Ppel/Vauxhall as a groupI just thought about it and decided that I think he meant what I'm trying to say. If I'm wrong, I wish I hadn't said anything in the first place!
ChrisDT said:
Don't forget the 1 off 888 Van they did.
KarlMac said:
The quicker Vauxhaul disappear off the face of the planet the better. Fingers crossed the workforce can be retained to build something else.
Aids0G said:
I dont want to be rude, however I struggle to understand the logic behind wanting a car brand/manufacturer to disappear of the face of the planet. Vaxuhall make some boring cars yes but so do BMW, VW, Seat and Toyota etc, they also make some pretty good cars that compete well in their classes. Surely the best way to retain the workforce is for the brand+products of Vaxuhall to strengthen and therefore sell more cars.
Don't bother with him - he makes the same stupid comments around the website
Jimmy Recard said:
Aids0G said:
I dont want to be rude, however I struggle to understand the logic behind wanting a car brand/manufacturer to disappear of the face of the planet. Vaxuhall make some boring cars yes but so do BMW, VW, Seat and Toyota etc, they also make some pretty good cars that compete well in their classes. Surely the best way to retain the workforce is for the brand+products of Vaxuhall to strengthen and therefore sell more cars.
Don't bother with him - he makes the same stupid comments around the website Even badge engineering good cars from other manufacturers couldn't save them so it leaves little hope for PSA.
Clearly Mr Recard is not a fan of conflicting opinions.
KarlMac said:
What is Vauxhauls USP? What do they add to a potential buyers choice? Cheap, ugly cars for people tragically born without any imagination and nationalists not clever enough to realise they're about as English as Bratwurst. They're basically the millenial version of Rover, and we all know how well that went after their takeover.
Even badge engineering good cars from other manufacturers couldn't save them so it leaves little hope for PSA.
Clearly Mr Recard is not a fan of conflicting opinions.
They're just cars that are perfectly fine in their sector. Like a VW or Ford or the other competitors. And I've never heard anyone buy them for being English - at least some of the Vauxhall fans I know describe them as German or even American.Even badge engineering good cars from other manufacturers couldn't save them so it leaves little hope for PSA.
Clearly Mr Recard is not a fan of conflicting opinions.
However to want Vauxhall/Opel to fail is just strange - how can a certain mass market car upset you that much? Most people who don't like a certain car are content just to buy anther.
I really don't like most Volkswagens, so I tend to buy other makes of car. I've had a few Vauxhalls amongst others. Only one of my Vauxhalls was made in the UK (Luton), so I certainly don't see them as English. Two were made in Germany, one in Spain.
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