RE: Jaguar XJ220 S: You Know You Want To

[QuattroDave]

WCZ said:

funny how no one cared about these when they were £140k

I cared as I absolutely love these cars and could see they were undervalued compared with similar cars of that era but sadly funds and somewhere to put (or even park it!) were not in my favour!

It was only around 2-3 years ago I saw one for £150k too, that's quite some appreciation in that time!

There's a yellow one I see occasionally on the A27/M27 think the guy lives in Bournemouth

Edited by QuattroDave on Wednesday 22 March 18:16

[405dogvan]

PurpleAki said:

So if this is a replica, what's it's true worth?

Like EVERYTHING else in the world, it's "worth" lies in the eye of the buyer - you can claim something is 'worth' any sum but if someone isn't willing to pay it, it's not worth that much - end-of.

As with all things which are unique, the trick is finding 2+ people who want it badly enough to get involved and ramp-up the value.

[PurpleAki]

Sure, but the concencus seems to be that it's not worth £400K.

[Patrick1964]

The original 220 "S" cars (well, certainly the yellow car that Clarkson drove) were built from damaged production 220's that had been used in the "Past Masters" race series in the US. They were converted and assembled at Broadstone Grange near Enstone.
If I remember correctly the two cars built for an Italian race series had a similar origin.

I had the original Nardi steering wheel from the yellow car on my Audi 80 Sport for years. Dick Trickle had crashed it.

[405dogvan]

PurpleAki said:

Sure, but the concencus seems to be that it's not worth £400K.

Again - nothing is worth anything until someone pays something for it - worth is ephemeral like that.

There's an idea that "some people" hold that "they" can confer and agree that something is/isn't "worth" £x - but until someone pays money for it, it's noise and nonsense.

We have ridden a boom in car prices for some time but a lot of cars which have been advertised at inflated prices are not SELLING at those prices (or at any other prices!) - eventually, cars stop selling across-the-board and the bottom falls-out of the whole thing/everyone has to realise the game is over, for now.

In the car market, dealers and auctioneers 'set' prices but like house prices, they aren't based on anything other than a mix of chancer's luck and outright cheek ;0

No-one ever made a fortune underpricing anything did they?

[Scrimper]

Coatesy351 said:

The engines in the development cars were based on the rover v8



The proper metro v64v engine is a clean sheet design by ex-Cosworth employee David Wood which may explain why the top end looks very DFV like.

Indeed, i believe the early Metro 6r4 development cars were based on a modified rover V8 but as mentioned, the 6r4 engine was developed specifically from scratch as a race engine for Group B rallying. When Group B fizzled out, TWR bought the rights to the engine from Austin Rover and continued developing it, taking displacement from 3l to 3.5l and adding twin turbos. These engines race at Le mans in the the Jaguar XJR-11 Group C car. So the XJ220 has a detuned race engine from Group C car, how many road cars can claim that?

[Patrick1964]

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When Group B fizzled out, TWR bought the rights to the engine from Austin Rover and continued developing it, taking displacement from 3l to 3.5l and adding twin turbos. These engines race at Le mans in the the Jaguar XJR-11 Group C car.
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It's a long time ago, but I'm pretty certain we never ran anything other than the V12 at Le Mans, apart from the XJR 14 which ran in practice and Qualifying in 1991.

Actually, thinking about it this engine did Le Mans in the 220' in 1993, finishing first in class but being disqualified for not being French. Not Group C though.

Edited by Patrick1964 on Wednesday 22 March 19:16

Edited by Patrick1964 on Wednesday 22 March 19:17

[Scrimper]

Patrick1964 said:

It's a long time ago, but I'm pretty certain we never ran anything other than the V12 at Le Mans, apart from the XJR 14 which ran in practice and Qualifying in 1991.

Actually, thinking about it this engine did Le Mans in the 220' in 1993, finishing first in class but being disqualified for not being French. Not Group C though.

Edited by Patrick1964 on Wednesday 22 March 19:16

Edited by Patrick1964 on Wednesday 22 March 19:17

You are correct, had to google it....the engine was used in the XJR-ll group C car but the XJR-12 raced at le mans (and won in 1990) and not the XJR-11