Would you still buy a diesel now?
Discussion
So here's the dilemma - I have 2 cars in mind - an 18-month old 340i and a 12-month old 330d X-drive, both almost identical in terms of colour, spec and price. The 340i has more power (but poorer fuel economy), while the 330d can be remapped to the same power as the 340i while giving better economy (plus the extra traction from AWD).
Question is, with all the focus on diesel emissions, would you still buy one today?
Question is, with all the focus on diesel emissions, would you still buy one today?
I'd be working out what the saving in fuel costs of the diesel is vs. any possible additional "it's a diesel" hit in depreciation, which seems a bit of a crystal ball job.
I went from diesel to hybrid because for the the MPG was about even and this was around the time of the VAG emissions thing where there was increased focus on diesel - of course things like if you frequently drive into any major cities where they may be introducing penalties for diesels should also factor in somewhere.
I went from diesel to hybrid because for the the MPG was about even and this was around the time of the VAG emissions thing where there was increased focus on diesel - of course things like if you frequently drive into any major cities where they may be introducing penalties for diesels should also factor in somewhere.
A500leroy said:
Depends if you go into a city regularly, if your thinking of using in London I'd go petrol now
As far as I can tell "dirty diesel drivers" are about to become persona non grata in town centres and cities, with many charging more for parking, additional congestion charge etc.Add that to the fact that the exhaust "filter" that burns the sooty deposits into fine ash can easily break at a cost of £2.5K + on recent diesels I'd be thinking twice about one.
The right car, driven away from town centres and cities might still be a good bet provided you are buying pre-depreciated and will drive the car into the ground and that your journeys are not sub ten minute (killer for the filter, apparently).
I have a mate who recently was on the bitter end of the "filter fiasco", not a happy bunny. No warranty claim, either. "Driven Incorrectly, sir".
I think I'd read last week's thread first. Or the week before, or...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Personally I would not buy a diesel now. There again I have never bought one. Don't get on with them. I know this because I have had a couple of diesel company cars in my time and they weren't my cup of tea.
If I am trying to get something super-efficient for cheap motoring now I'll do electric or hybrid depending on "use case scenarios".
If I am buying something fun to drive I'll buy electric, if they make the right car, or something ludicrously petrol guzzling for the hell of it and the fact that the number of "fun" miles I do a year is < 2000 typically so fuel consumption doesn't matter so much.
If I am trying to get something super-efficient for cheap motoring now I'll do electric or hybrid depending on "use case scenarios".
If I am buying something fun to drive I'll buy electric, if they make the right car, or something ludicrously petrol guzzling for the hell of it and the fact that the number of "fun" miles I do a year is < 2000 typically so fuel consumption doesn't matter so much.
I wouldn't be suprised to see more cities and even towns try to jump on the demondiesel bandwagon to scam some tax revenue with clean air zones etc, which apart from anything else is likely to drive down residuals.
Frustrating for me as I really need a new van but want to fit it out and cost it over ~ten years - but no sensible/practical non-diesel vans are really out there. Any number of supercars, hypercars, suvs, luxury sedans and virtue-signalling mobils etc but nothing people who y'know, have an actual unarguable need for a vehicle in a city centre.
Frustrating for me as I really need a new van but want to fit it out and cost it over ~ten years - but no sensible/practical non-diesel vans are really out there. Any number of supercars, hypercars, suvs, luxury sedans and virtue-signalling mobils etc but nothing people who y'know, have an actual unarguable need for a vehicle in a city centre.
Your mileage is pretty much on the bubble for where a diesel makes sense, obviously affected by the exact figures for each car.
TBH I'd drive both and buy the one you like the best. If the financials are enough of a concern for it to make a substantive difference between those two then I'd look older/cheaper as you'll be a lot better off that way.
TBH I'd drive both and buy the one you like the best. If the financials are enough of a concern for it to make a substantive difference between those two then I'd look older/cheaper as you'll be a lot better off that way.
Given that the goalposts are constantly being moved, I can't get excited about petrol or diesel. One minute we're told we must all buy diesel, the next we must all buy petrol. It's a bit like smart motorway gantries, the limits change and the public looses faith in the system.
My car is one of the last Euro5 versions made before they moved across to Euro6, I'm very glad because it doesn't have the adblue gubbins or start stop malarkey interfering with the car. Subsequently running it north of 200k will be easier as there will be less bits needing replacement.
My car is one of the last Euro5 versions made before they moved across to Euro6, I'm very glad because it doesn't have the adblue gubbins or start stop malarkey interfering with the car. Subsequently running it north of 200k will be easier as there will be less bits needing replacement.
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