Are there any manufacturers WITHOUT a reliability nightmare?
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A magazine once put it perfectly I think, when discussing KIA's then-new seven year warranty.
Paraphrasing but they basically said "when you consider the complexity of an automobile, the miracle isn't that they are offering such long warranties on them, it is that they even offer one at all"
Paraphrasing but they basically said "when you consider the complexity of an automobile, the miracle isn't that they are offering such long warranties on them, it is that they even offer one at all"
The Crack Fox said:
cwis said:
mgv8 said:
Honda
Pretty much! The only thing that tends to happen are seizing brake calipers...I don't recall Mercedes really having a lot of stuff that went wrong. There's plenty of last gen E classes on mega mileage now. Maybe injectors and the 'Black death' but I can't think of anything else.
Catatafish said:
Online reliability accounts are almost totally biased towards the negative aspects, and dosed with an insane amount of hyperbole.
Stories are passed off as gospel under the guise of "my mate had x go wrong" or "I reckon blah de blah" when really they are simply read online, exaggerated and passed on, containing very little to base any rational analysis on.
That's pretty much it. Every car seems to have 'well known issues' if you ask the right forum know-it-all. Stories are passed off as gospel under the guise of "my mate had x go wrong" or "I reckon blah de blah" when really they are simply read online, exaggerated and passed on, containing very little to base any rational analysis on.
Just buy it, drive it, repair it when it goes wrong.
Cars were flimsy, rusty pieces of crap not that long ago. It's not like modern cars are worse built. More complex, perhaps.
Everyone I've known with a Honda or Toyota, myself included has had either no problems with it, or the odd tiny little niggle.
Everyone I've known with a French car, myself included, has had more than one annoying fault with it.
Everyone I've known with a VW Group car has had issues with it, too.
If I was recommending a car for somebody, or buying myself a normal runaround, I would always suggest (or choose) something Japanese, safe in the knowledge that it's extremely unlikely to give the owner any real grief. I'd probably recommend/choose Ford next.
Everyone I've known with a French car, myself included, has had more than one annoying fault with it.
Everyone I've known with a VW Group car has had issues with it, too.
If I was recommending a car for somebody, or buying myself a normal runaround, I would always suggest (or choose) something Japanese, safe in the knowledge that it's extremely unlikely to give the owner any real grief. I'd probably recommend/choose Ford next.
The Crack Fox said:
Wrong. And even the very latest ND model, when you poke about underneath, has terrible undersealing in the key areas where corrosion will appear. 
f
ks sake. So Mazda is still using rust proofing techniques from the 1970s? 
. There mechanics are bulletproof though, I'm pretty convinced the old B series 1.8s will go forever... Or until somebody glues a turbo on to them. Edited by caelite on Monday 27th March 10:40
If anyone wants to buy a reliable car thats good for many 10's of 1000's of miles buy one of my old ones, I tend to sell them at around 6 years and 80k when the repair bills and random failures start to become tedious yet on any mot checker they seem to go on and on , the 2001 E Class I sold in 2009 is still plodding along, despite me being convinced it would be long dead in a rusty heap, the 2006 Skoda Octavia with the notorious PD170 diesel still going strong, the 2009 Skoda Superb I sold at 88k in 2015 has more than doubled that mileage now in just 2 years.
ILoveMondeo said:
ETA, should clarify that with a car a PHer might like to own! I'm sure a toyota Aygo is bullet proof.... but I dont want one of those! 
(having said that, a friend has one and has had nothing but trouble with prematurely failed clutches and wheel bearings)
Aygos are not particularly reliable. Known for injector problems, clutch and gearbox issues, wheel bearings and leaks into the footwell. (having said that, a friend has one and has had nothing but trouble with prematurely failed clutches and wheel bearings) caelite said:
The Crack Fox said:
Wrong. And even the very latest ND model, when you poke about underneath, has terrible undersealing in the key areas where corrosion will appear.
fks sake. So Mazda is still using rust proofing techniques from the 1970s? .Toyota, Honda Kia or Hyundai Petrol cars.
Never had a VAG car that did not have some issues
BMW is hit and miss (our 3.0 Petrol has been pretty solid besides the normal cooling system woes around 100k miles)
The Boxster S I used to own ate through a clutch and DMS by 60k miles along with the expense of getting an LN Engineering IMS installed.
Never had a VAG car that did not have some issues
BMW is hit and miss (our 3.0 Petrol has been pretty solid besides the normal cooling system woes around 100k miles)
The Boxster S I used to own ate through a clutch and DMS by 60k miles along with the expense of getting an LN Engineering IMS installed.
mgv8 said:
Honda
Yip, think so.And Kia, Hyundai? Maybe Toyota (apart from a few high profile recalls)
Mazda - generally excellent but you need to avoid the cars with DPF issues - which is slightly older gen non SkyActiv Mazda6s is it?
Vauxhall - don't think there's much wrong is there, apart from that people carrier thing setting fire to itself.
RumbleOfThunder said:
Toyota seem to make a habit of the biggest recalls in history, so I don't think we can hold them up as a bastion of reliability either. Without any evidence to show, I'd go with Dacia at this time. Simple cars made with proven mechanicals. What's to do wrong on a bare bones Duster?
Apart from the body rot?http://www.carscoops.com/2014/12/widespread-corros...
RumbleOfThunder said:
Toyota seem to make a habit of the biggest recalls in history, so I don't think we can hold them up as a bastion of reliability either.
For me, that's a positive. Not only do they seem to have fewer failures than other manufacturers, they also appear much more serious about fixing those they do have rather than sweeping them under the carpet. jayemm89 said:
A magazine once put it perfectly I think, when discussing KIA's then-new seven year warranty.
Paraphrasing but they basically said "when you consider the complexity of an automobile, the miracle isn't that they are offering such long warranties on them, it is that they even offer one at all"
This. If a mobile phone gets a but wet...ruined. Or is affected by radio waves, too much sunlight, dropped etc etc.Paraphrasing but they basically said "when you consider the complexity of an automobile, the miracle isn't that they are offering such long warranties on them, it is that they even offer one at all"
Yet the car is sat outside in all weathers, and is expected to give, ithout any warning faultless performance for many hours at a time. And have more tech then the mobile phone (in fact, BE a mobile phone). They are remarkable machines
Nope, all the manufacturers get a pasting.
You name it, someone somewhere will have had a problem with something and someone else won't have.
This Nissan one is a peach tho': http://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/news-and-advice/2017...
You name it, someone somewhere will have had a problem with something and someone else won't have.
This Nissan one is a peach tho': http://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/news-and-advice/2017...
williamp said:
jayemm89 said:
A magazine once put it perfectly I think, when discussing KIA's then-new seven year warranty.
Paraphrasing but they basically said "when you consider the complexity of an automobile, the miracle isn't that they are offering such long warranties on them, it is that they even offer one at all"
This. If a mobile phone gets a but wet...ruined. Or is affected by radio waves, too much sunlight, dropped etc etc.Paraphrasing but they basically said "when you consider the complexity of an automobile, the miracle isn't that they are offering such long warranties on them, it is that they even offer one at all"
Yet the car is sat outside in all weathers, and is expected to give, ithout any warning faultless performance for many hours at a time. And have more tech then the mobile phone (in fact, BE a mobile phone). They are remarkable machines
You have heat, you have vibration, you have moisture. You have a LOT of complex electronics... This is not a great combination for longevity. How long does the average mobile or PC last, in a much more protected environment?
How much does an iPad cost, compared to a Dacia?
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