What is the "best" 4 cylinder engine ever made?

What is the "best" 4 cylinder engine ever made?

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sunbeam alpine

6,945 posts

189 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Alfa Nord in various guises. The boxer engine in my Sud sounds pretty good as well.

FourWheelDrift

88,551 posts

285 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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QuartzDad said:
BMW M12/13? 1500bhp has to be up there.
For power.

For sound those 4cly engines they put into Escort Mk1 and Mk2 rally cars.

boyse7en

6,738 posts

166 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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A controversial choice, but how about the A-series?


Available in 9 different capacities from the factory (and many more by tuners)

Probably the most widely-used four-cylinder engine in history - Morris Minor, Mini, MG, Metro, Austin Healey, Austins, Morrises, Vanden Plas, Wolseleys, Rileys, Allegro, Montego, Maestro...

Won the Monte Carlo Rally outright three times (beating several Porsches) - should have been four, but for disqualification over a headlamp bulb.
Won numerous other rallies around the world
Won numerous british and European saloon car championships
Won numerous endurance racing championships


Quickmoose

4,495 posts

124 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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I'm going with the S2000's unit.
For the NA power per litre and sustainable 9000rpm...
it's damn near bullet proof also..
and with the vtec shift just adding a smidge more 'drama'.

It's a Jeckyl & Hyde peach.

And I have one. boxedin

JimbobVFR

2,682 posts

145 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Mr2Mike said:
Yamaha made 5 valve per cylinder bike engines as far back as 1984. The complexity and expense compared to a 4v/cylinder design and the relatively small performance improvement have most likely limited it's use.
I remember reading in a bike magazine that when Yamaha reverted back to 4 valves per cylinder that they said advances in designing the heads using stuff like CFA and computers and particularly advances in materials used for the valve train made the 5 valve heads irrelevant.

Of course it could have been cheaper and this was a good excuse to change.

daveco

4,130 posts

208 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Quickmoose said:
I'm going with the S2000's unit.
For the NA power per litre and sustainable 9000rpm...
it's damn near bullet proof also..
and with the vtec shift just adding a smidge more 'drama'.

It's a Jeckyl & Hyde peach.

And I have one. boxedin
I've always been fascinated by this engine. How in the hell do Honda make it so reliable??

Not many can get that figure reliably from a 6 cylinder, 3 litre unit!

PositronicRay

27,043 posts

184 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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VladD said:
I had a VW Sanatana many years ago. 2 litre, 5 cylinder non-turbo IIRC. Must have been an early 80s car as I bought it at auction for £200 in the early 90s.
Hugely relevant and interesting.

Thank you. thumbup

Quickmoose

4,495 posts

124 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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daveco said:
Quickmoose said:
I'm going with the S2000's unit.
For the NA power per litre and sustainable 9000rpm...
it's damn near bullet proof also..
and with the vtec shift just adding a smidge more 'drama'.

It's a Jeckyl & Hyde peach.

And I have one. boxedin
I've always been fascinated by this engine. How in the hell do Honda make it so reliable??

Not many can get that figure reliably from a 6 cylinder, 3 litre unit!
Because in the late 90's they were engineering kings.
The rules have changed and their engineers have retired now though...

Dave Hedgehog

14,569 posts

205 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Quickmoose said:
Because in the late 90's they were engineering kings.
The rules have changed and their engineers have retired now though...
they also pretty much had unlimited engines for each race, the qually engines running 1500bhp were basically good for one lap smile

Torquey

1,895 posts

229 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Surely whatever they put in the Mitsubishi Evo FQ400 deserves some praise.

Is there a more powerful 4 pot used in recent cars?..

Alex

9,975 posts

285 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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daveco said:
I've always been fascinated by this engine. How in the hell do Honda make it so reliable??

Not many can get that figure reliably from a 6 cylinder, 3 litre unit!
The Honda chief engineer said it was possible thanks to "metallurgy".

Dave Hedgehog

14,569 posts

205 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Torquey said:
Surely whatever they put in the Mitsubishi Evo FQ400 deserves some praise.

Is there a more powerful 4 pot used in recent cars?..
the FL A45 dynos at 390+ but does not need servicing every 3k miles, just the standard merc serving plan

hondansx

4,570 posts

226 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Didn't Clarkson troll the FQ400's lag? Not that impressive when you consider now you can buy hot hatches with similar power and 2 years service intervals!

I think it's hard to argue, as a production engine, that Honda were the best. Stratospheric revs and therefore a noise to match.

DeolTheBeast

449 posts

147 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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968 CS

M1C

1,834 posts

112 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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I've not had the pleasure of the high revving VTECcy goodness of the Honda engines...i can only really go off the one's i've driven.

I've owned and driven many 4 cyl cars....of these..my fave are..

An Alfa 156 Sportwagon 1.8 that i owned briefly. I went and sounded far better than any 4-cyl should! Great engine! Liked the car too.

Drove many VAGs of various 4 cyl ilks...including GTis etc.

My fave though was the 2011 Leon Cupra R 265. Fantastic engine, sounded great, and went really, really well, getting stronger as the revs rose, didn't feel too 'turboey'. Addictive to drive hard.

And, of course, my own Citroen AX 1.5d.

Olivera

7,154 posts

240 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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daveco said:
Quickmoose said:
I'm going with the S2000's unit.
For the NA power per litre and sustainable 9000rpm...
it's damn near bullet proof also..
and with the vtec shift just adding a smidge more 'drama'.

It's a Jeckyl & Hyde peach.

And I have one. boxedin
I've always been fascinated by this engine. How in the hell do Honda make it so reliable??

Not many can get that figure reliably from a 6 cylinder, 3 litre unit!
Wasn't there a late batch/year of S2000 engines that were prone to poor reliability and early failure?

I've also seen plenty of type-r engines blowing lots of blue smoke at higher miles.

Reliable yes, but not beyond reproach.

Alex

9,975 posts

285 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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DeolTheBeast said:
968 CS
Ooh, no. Horrible droney lumps.

vikingaero

10,379 posts

170 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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The Triumph Slant Four/Saab engines.

white_goodman

Original Poster:

4,042 posts

192 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Riley Blue said:
'Best' in what respect; most powerful, highest revving, most tuneable, most widely used. I bet the answer is different for each one.
Well on those criteria, you would maybe be looking at the Mitsubishi 4G63T, S2000 engine, Cosworth YB and Rover K-Series (or possibly one of VAGs engines). Personally, I would not consider any of these engines (apart from perhaps the S2000's) to be the greatest or a personal favourite, as for me, character, power delivery and aural quality are more important to me than the above criteria. So I guess, based on your personal preferences, which do you consider to be the greatest?

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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I think that over the years each period has had a 'good' engine.

The 2.5 8V in the Porsche 944 was a pretty good engine, with a nice linear power delivery and the exhaust note wasn't bad either.

And of course it had the balance shafts which made it reasonably smooth too.

The old Ford Kent engine as used in the Escort Mk II had a nice exhaust note as well, but was it a good engine...?

Another one from the 70's was the 2T engine as used in Toyota Corolla's of that period.

It had hemispherical combustion chambers with what looked like twin cams however that was just the rocker shaft layout.