What is the "best" 4 cylinder engine ever made?
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havoc said:
Oh christ, that lump predates the PD by at least a decade.
The "HDI" branded motors came out 1999 / 2000, so contemporaneous with the PD. They started at 2.0 and then a 2.2 16v derivative sprouted off, and Ford 'partnered' (read borrowed the design/tech) on it.
I wasn't even thinking of the vag PD, jist the old 1.9tdi from what, early 90s? The "HDI" branded motors came out 1999 / 2000, so contemporaneous with the PD. They started at 2.0 and then a 2.2 16v derivative sprouted off, and Ford 'partnered' (read borrowed the design/tech) on it.
otolith said:
GeniusOfLove said:
AmyRichardson said:
DaveTheRave87 said:
I checked through 9 pages of this thread before it was mentioned but I have to agree here.
Used in so many applications from repmobiles on an economy run along a motorway to a hot hatch Skoda Fabia VRS.
Definitely not the most exciting engine out but one of the most capable ever made.
If we were on the internet equivalent of"Practical Van and Minicab" magazine then I'd agree wholeheartedly.Used in so many applications from repmobiles on an economy run along a motorway to a hot hatch Skoda Fabia VRS.
Definitely not the most exciting engine out but one of the most capable ever made.
But...
Miserable agricultural thing, the thin end of the wedge for the utter insanity of putting diesel burning engines in passenger cars that gripped Europe for 15 unhappy years.
cerb4.5lee said:
I've got a 190cc Briggs & Stratton petrol lawnmower that has been going strong since 2012. It arguably sounds better than the straight 6 that is in the F82 M4 in fairness as well!
Mine won’t start at the moment. I started it with ether spray and got a cloud of smoke to make Sadiq Khan’s eyes water before it cut out. Carb I suspect. Unfortunately I did it next to an open door and the house smelled like Onslow’s cortina from Keeping Up Appearances had been driving round it.
havoc said:
biggbn said:
I wasn't even thinking of the vag PD, jist the old 1.9tdi from what, early 90s?
I'm not sure you are - that was only ever 90bhp at best.It took the PD to hit first 110bhp, then 130, 150 and a (painful, unreliable, brief) stretch to 170bhp.
You're hitting the limit of my beardage now - I don't know if there's any significant link between the non-PD 1.9 and the later (1999+) PD 1.9 - I'd imagine there'd be something.
...but that's like comparing a boggo B16 from a cooking CIvic with the B16C / B18C from the EK9 and the DC2. Actually, it's probably worse, as in the Honda example the low-end engines share a lot of components / full layout with the high-power screamers.
Anyway, can we move on to some worthy engines...bloody VAG diesel certainly isn't!
...but that's like comparing a boggo B16 from a cooking CIvic with the B16C / B18C from the EK9 and the DC2. Actually, it's probably worse, as in the Honda example the low-end engines share a lot of components / full layout with the high-power screamers.
Anyway, can we move on to some worthy engines...bloody VAG diesel certainly isn't!
havoc said:
You're hitting the limit of my beardage now - I don't know if there's any significant link between the non-PD 1.9 and the later (1999+) PD 1.9 - I'd imagine there'd be something.
...but that's like comparing a boggo B16 from a cooking CIvic with the B16C / B18C from the EK9 and the DC2. Actually, it's probably worse, as in the Honda example the low-end engines share a lot of components / full layout with the high-power screamers.
Anyway, can we move on to some worthy engines...bloody VAG diesel certainly isn't!
...but that's like comparing a boggo B16 from a cooking CIvic with the B16C / B18C from the EK9 and the DC2. Actually, it's probably worse, as in the Honda example the low-end engines share a lot of components / full layout with the high-power screamers.
Anyway, can we move on to some worthy engines...bloody VAG diesel certainly isn't!
GeniusOfLove said:
Quite. I think it's only claim to fame is a 5,000 fold increase in boring knobbers who've never driven a decent car using the phrases "goes like a rocket" and "pulls like a train" to refer to 130bhp dross.
Miserable agricultural thing, the thin end of the wedge for the utter insanity of putting diesel burning engines in passenger cars that gripped Europe for 15 unhappy years.
Now come on, say what you *really* think. Don't sugar the pill. Miserable agricultural thing, the thin end of the wedge for the utter insanity of putting diesel burning engines in passenger cars that gripped Europe for 15 unhappy years.
Not a fan by any chance?
Damned diesels eh ? Only won Le Mans six times.
I'd never nominate a diesel as a favourite but I did have a soft spot for their brawny drone - and in the 90s , before petrol turbos were ubiquitous , their in gear shove was fun.We had sundry Peugeots, Skodas and Golfs with them and they had their artisan appeal . And seeing a range of 600miles as you set off for Italy was reassuring .
I'd never nominate a diesel as a favourite but I did have a soft spot for their brawny drone - and in the 90s , before petrol turbos were ubiquitous , their in gear shove was fun.We had sundry Peugeots, Skodas and Golfs with them and they had their artisan appeal . And seeing a range of 600miles as you set off for Italy was reassuring .
otolith said:
GeniusOfLove said:
AmyRichardson said:
DaveTheRave87 said:
I checked through 9 pages of this thread before it was mentioned but I have to agree here.
Used in so many applications from repmobiles on an economy run along a motorway to a hot hatch Skoda Fabia VRS.
Definitely not the most exciting engine out but one of the most capable ever made.
If we were on the internet equivalent of"Practical Van and Minicab" magazine then I'd agree wholeheartedly.Used in so many applications from repmobiles on an economy run along a motorway to a hot hatch Skoda Fabia VRS.
Definitely not the most exciting engine out but one of the most capable ever made.
But...
Miserable agricultural thing, the thin end of the wedge for the utter insanity of putting diesel burning engines in passenger cars that gripped Europe for 15 unhappy years.
A series.
Especially the ones not in minis.
I'm thinking the ones in A30s and Sprites.
Very erm resilient. You could run them without coolant and they'd usually survive.
You could forget to put in anti-freeze and the worse that would happen is that a core plug would fall out.
You could replace the head gasket in an hour.
The oil could be like treacle and it wouldn't explode.
They were so tunable. Even if you didn't know alot you could *double the power with a dremel and a better exhaust.
Especially the ones not in minis.
I'm thinking the ones in A30s and Sprites.
Very erm resilient. You could run them without coolant and they'd usually survive.
You could forget to put in anti-freeze and the worse that would happen is that a core plug would fall out.
You could replace the head gasket in an hour.
The oil could be like treacle and it wouldn't explode.
They were so tunable. Even if you didn't know alot you could *double the power with a dremel and a better exhaust.
- to be fair, you could double the power with a decent service.
pheonix478 said:
coppice said:
Damned diesels eh ? Only won Le Mans six times.
The 700bhp/1100ftlb V12/V10 has got about as much to do with the plague of 4pot diesel s
tboxes as an F1 car does with a Priusotolith said:
Also, I'm not really sure what racing tells you, in that if you deliberately set up the technical regulations to make cars with drivetrain A competitive with cars with drivetrain B, they'll be competitive.
This.The ACO fudged the regs to make sure diesels won, as the manufacturers wanted to flog more diesels.
Same thing recently with hybrids.
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