RE: Ferrari planning Formula E entry
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Anyone see the Mexico race on the weekend? It was a cracker. Hadn't see one for a while, but if that's a indicator of the level of drama you can expect then I can see more folk gravitating over from F1.
The fact they don't have all the fiddly aero I guess accounted for the close running of the cars, and the battery life issue is similar to tyre wear in F1 in that it adds an additional level of drama. (Tyres don't seem to be an issue in Formula E - they're grooved and maybe a harder compound, so lower grip and less wear?)
The fact they don't have all the fiddly aero I guess accounted for the close running of the cars, and the battery life issue is similar to tyre wear in F1 in that it adds an additional level of drama. (Tyres don't seem to be an issue in Formula E - they're grooved and maybe a harder compound, so lower grip and less wear?)
It is the future whether the V10 scream mechanical baby F1 brigade like it or not.
So it makes sense for Ferrari ro be there then they can test cutting edge electric tech in isolation and feed it into F1 and their future cars. Good on Ferrari.
There is a heritage series for those who dont like the future.
So it makes sense for Ferrari ro be there then they can test cutting edge electric tech in isolation and feed it into F1 and their future cars. Good on Ferrari.
There is a heritage series for those who dont like the future.
The Mexico race was a good one, and plenty to maintain interest - a proper circuit played a part, but it always seems to be good, close racing.
I had been at the last London race, as the venue was pretty much on my doorstep, and it was a good day out, and not without the drama of a championship effectively being a race within a race with Buemi and di Grassi pushing for fastest lap after an early smash. Sadly the local nimbies got hold of the event, or I would have happily gone back this year.
I had been at the last London race, as the venue was pretty much on my doorstep, and it was a good day out, and not without the drama of a championship effectively being a race within a race with Buemi and di Grassi pushing for fastest lap after an early smash. Sadly the local nimbies got hold of the event, or I would have happily gone back this year.
Yipper said:
Bad news for Formula 1. Their flagship team is semi-threatening to jump ship.
Not really, the people who own Formula 1 have the largest stakeholding in Formula E. I expect they are quite pleased with the way that Formula E is attracting manufacturers in a way the Formula 1 has failed to do.AnotherClarkey said:
Yipper said:
Bad news for Formula 1. Their flagship team is semi-threatening to jump ship.
Not really, the people who own Formula 1 have the largest stakeholding in Formula E. I expect they are quite pleased with the way that Formula E is attracting manufacturers in a way the Formula 1 has failed to do.279 said:
Is this not just Ferrari trying to strengthen its position (and protect its bonus payments) before the F1 concorde negotiations in 2020?
Short of the highly unlikely event of a number of teams forming an entirely new series, Formula E looks like the only likely alternative to F1, and seems to be attracting Manufacturers at a rate that Liberty can only dream of.
I thought I heard recently that Ferrari have bartered their bonus payment in favour of shares in the new organisation and cash?Short of the highly unlikely event of a number of teams forming an entirely new series, Formula E looks like the only likely alternative to F1, and seems to be attracting Manufacturers at a rate that Liberty can only dream of.
KarlMac said:
If battery/electric tech hasn't advanced from where it is now then the formula will be dead on its feet. I disagree that purely electric racing is the future as I see electric vehicles as the future of commuting, not sports/super cars.
It's going to be interesting to watch either way
Elon Musk has stated that battery tech is advancing at a rate of around 30% per annum. I don't know if he means the pure theory side, or if he means what is offered commercially, but it would seem in a competitive environment, a team like Ferrari would make those two goalposts as close as they could.It's going to be interesting to watch either way
Yipper said:
It is terrible news for F1. Formula E generates -98% less revenue and attracts nowhere near the crowds or viewers of Formula 1. Ferrari is simultaneously diminishing F1 and merely polishing the Formula E turd. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I don't really give a monkey's chuff if it is terrible news for F1 or not. The Formula E 'turd' seems to be polishing up quite nicely and Liberty Media are hedging their bets by having a substantial stake in it.big_rob_sydney said:
Elon Musk has stated that battery tech is advancing at a rate of around 30% per annum. I don't know if he means the pure theory side, or if he means what is offered commercially, but it would seem in a competitive environment, a team like Ferrari would make those two goalposts as close as they could.
does not matter if it moves on 3000% per day. Its still just an electric car. dull, lacking noise/drama/connection.jason61c said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Elon Musk has stated that battery tech is advancing at a rate of around 30% per annum. I don't know if he means the pure theory side, or if he means what is offered commercially, but it would seem in a competitive environment, a team like Ferrari would make those two goalposts as close as they could.
does not matter if it moves on 3000% per day. Its still just an electric car. dull, lacking noise/drama/connection.But here's the real "pearler". The ICE cartel have had around a hundred years of concentrated development. Along comes Tesla, and they commercialise a car that can cut 10 second quarter miles off the showroom floor, for about £100k.
Now, you say EV's are dull, lacking noise / drama / connection? Hmm, that's a charge you could level at a lot of Audi's these days, isn't it? Not to mention many other brands.
I'm not so interested to examine your own car history, but I venture that you must have a daily driver with a warranty that can exceed a 10 second quarter mile then? Please, do tell.
What cars we drive has naff all to do with having an opinion on something. I wish that kind of posturing would end.
The point that ICE has been under development for over a century, and as a result of it, we have THIS kind of F1 'racing' as the pinnacle? is a good one though
And its another good point that 99% (guess) of motoring is done with characterless, drama-less, passion-less boxes.
EVs have been developed for far less time, with far FAR less investment and already they have the economy, the comfort and to a large degree the performance (if not the range)...says a lot I think....easily enough to do the white-goods work.
The drama/noise is an issue, but only for a generation that'll be dead soon... and even then the torque/acceleration will provide some, and the noise I'm sure will develop....I hope so anyway.
It does make you wonder what could be achieved for EVs if they have 100 years of massive international funding/development...
The point that ICE has been under development for over a century, and as a result of it, we have THIS kind of F1 'racing' as the pinnacle? is a good one though
And its another good point that 99% (guess) of motoring is done with characterless, drama-less, passion-less boxes.
EVs have been developed for far less time, with far FAR less investment and already they have the economy, the comfort and to a large degree the performance (if not the range)...says a lot I think....easily enough to do the white-goods work.
The drama/noise is an issue, but only for a generation that'll be dead soon... and even then the torque/acceleration will provide some, and the noise I'm sure will develop....I hope so anyway.
It does make you wonder what could be achieved for EVs if they have 100 years of massive international funding/development...
Quickmoose said:
What cars we drive has naff all to do with having an opinion on something. I wish that kind of posturing would end.
The point that ICE has been under development for over a century, and as a result of it, we have THIS kind of F1 'racing' as the pinnacle? is a good one though
And its another good point that 99% (guess) of motoring is done with characterless, drama-less, passion-less boxes.
EVs have been developed for far less time, with far FAR less investment and already they have the economy, the comfort and to a large degree the performance (if not the range)...says a lot I think....easily enough to do the white-goods work.
The drama/noise is an issue, but only for a generation that'll be dead soon... and even then the torque/acceleration will provide some, and the noise I'm sure will develop....I hope so anyway.
It does make you wonder what could be achieved for EVs if they have 100 years of massive international funding/development...
The point that ICE has been under development for over a century, and as a result of it, we have THIS kind of F1 'racing' as the pinnacle? is a good one though
And its another good point that 99% (guess) of motoring is done with characterless, drama-less, passion-less boxes.
EVs have been developed for far less time, with far FAR less investment and already they have the economy, the comfort and to a large degree the performance (if not the range)...says a lot I think....easily enough to do the white-goods work.
The drama/noise is an issue, but only for a generation that'll be dead soon... and even then the torque/acceleration will provide some, and the noise I'm sure will develop....I hope so anyway.
It does make you wonder what could be achieved for EVs if they have 100 years of massive international funding/development...
You know something the rest of us don't?Electric wirry things will not replace engines solely "because technical advancement", in the same way sportspeople are still paid to run, kick, chuck and hit things even though technology has found more efficient ways of replicating all of those acts as individual tasks.
F1 survives as it's somewhat unique insofar as the drama, politics and soap operaness of it all has become a part of the occasion but outside of that most people want something mostly red blooded, and the noise is a big chunk of the fun.
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