RE: Ferrari planning Formula E entry

[AnotherClarkey]

AW111 said:

AnotherClarkey said:

engine noise will just be the 'sound of slow' and may become an embarrassment.

Wot, like Harley Davidsons?

Yes, pretty much as cringeworthy as Harleys.

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Plug Life said:

AnotherClarkey said:

engine noise will just be the 'sound of slow' and may become an embarrassment.

It has already become among non-Neanderthals.

Edited by Plug Life on Tuesday 4th April 11:34

Wow you so hip & edgy & widit, you had to edit that one sentence reply 3 minutes after you posted to make it even more insightful.

[5eanF]

I for one like the E series but then again I like F1

[big_rob_sydney]

hairyben said:

You know something the rest of us don't?

Electric wirry things will not replace engines solely "because technical advancement", in the same way sportspeople are still paid to run, kick, chuck and hit things even though technology has found more efficient ways of replicating all of those acts as individual tasks.

F1 survives as it's somewhat unique insofar as the drama, politics and soap operaness of it all has become a part of the occasion but outside of that most people want something mostly red blooded, and the noise is a big chunk of the fun.

Things change. People used to get about on horses. THAT was red-blooded (literally). Replaced by a machine.

Its called progress; you may have heard of it.

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big_rob_sydney said:

Things change. People used to get about on horses. THAT was red-blooded (literally). Replaced by a machine.

Its called progress; you may have heard of it.

You don't get those things called horse races downunda, do you?

[TheDrBrian]

big_rob_sydney said:

jason61c said:

big_rob_sydney said:

Elon Musk has stated that battery tech is advancing at a rate of around 30% per annum. I don't know if he means the pure theory side, or if he means what is offered commercially, but it would seem in a competitive environment, a team like Ferrari would make those two goalposts as close as they could.

does not matter if it moves on 3000% per day. Its still just an electric car. dull, lacking noise/drama/connection.

3000% per day, eh? Good thing you're not prone to making OTT statements. People might not take you seriously...

But here's the real "pearler". The ICE cartel have had around a hundred years of concentrated development. Along comes Tesla, and they commercialise a car that can cut 10 second quarter miles off the showroom floor, for about £100k.

Now, you say EV's are dull, lacking noise / drama / connection? Hmm, that's a charge you could level at a lot of Audi's these days, isn't it? Not to mention many other brands.

I'm not so interested to examine your own car history, but I venture that you must have a daily driver with a warranty that can exceed a 10 second quarter mile then? Please, do tell.

How long can it rip those 10 second quarters off for ?
Also why do you need something better to critique something else ?

[big_rob_sydney]

TheDrBrian said:

big_rob_sydney said:

jason61c said:

big_rob_sydney said:

Elon Musk has stated that battery tech is advancing at a rate of around 30% per annum. I don't know if he means the pure theory side, or if he means what is offered commercially, but it would seem in a competitive environment, a team like Ferrari would make those two goalposts as close as they could.

does not matter if it moves on 3000% per day. Its still just an electric car. dull, lacking noise/drama/connection.

3000% per day, eh? Good thing you're not prone to making OTT statements. People might not take you seriously...

But here's the real "pearler". The ICE cartel have had around a hundred years of concentrated development. Along comes Tesla, and they commercialise a car that can cut 10 second quarter miles off the showroom floor, for about £100k.

Now, you say EV's are dull, lacking noise / drama / connection? Hmm, that's a charge you could level at a lot of Audi's these days, isn't it? Not to mention many other brands.

I'm not so interested to examine your own car history, but I venture that you must have a daily driver with a warranty that can exceed a 10 second quarter mile then? Please, do tell.

How long can it rip those 10 second quarters off for ?
Also why do you need something better to critique something else ?

Jason has come out with some pretty bold statements (3000% per day); it makes you wonder about people expectations. What is his current situation that makes him believe 3000% a day is reasonable? Does he use a top fuel dragster or Formula 1 car as a daily (I'm trying to understand by what measure he feels that a Tesla can't grant someone an adrenaline fix)?

The second part of your comment seems reasonable, but then again it comes back to expectations. If you think something is bad, fine, but lets hear what you think is better. Bear in mind, as I said, price and warranty. I'm all ears to hear what can outperform a brand new road car like a Tesla, with a warranty, at the price point. Genuinely waiting to hear.

[big_rob_sydney]

By the way, I just red today that the F1 race in Melbourne had a whopping 5 overtakes registered for the ENTIRE race.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/formula-one...

What a sthouse snoozefest.

I'm off to watch a range of dishwashers to see which one has the fastest spin cycle. That might actually be more exciting...

[Matt UK]

hairyben said:

Electric wirry things will not replace engines solely "because technical advancement", in the same way sportspeople are still paid to run, kick, chuck and hit things even though technology has found more efficient ways of replicating all of those acts as individual tasks.

Totally agree.
That 'mechanical horse' invented 100 years ago would whoop the arses of those real horses in the last grand national.
But guess what, real horse racing is still a massive sport, enjoyed by millions and employing thousands.
There's no logic to it is there? If you boil everything down to 'technological advancement' we should have logically junked horse riding and racing generations ago as being a relic of the stone ages. May as well add the olympics into that as well - a machine could be built to beat any person at any discipline.
But we're human beings and we like certain things. We like the emotions, the smells, the occasion, the drama, the links with our past.
And the sound of hoof on turf and noisy racing cars is but two of them!

[Plug Life]

Matt UK said:

Totally agree.
That 'mechanical horse' invented 100 years ago would whoop the arses of those real horses in the last grand national.
But guess what, real horse racing is still a massive sport, enjoyed by millions and employing thousands.

Maybe it has something to do with that the horse is an animal. The ICE car and the EV are the same just the former has an archaic p.o.s. propulsion method. Of course, some Neanderthals could prefer it still.

[hairyben]

big_rob_sydney said:

hairyben said:

You know something the rest of us don't?

Electric wirry things will not replace engines solely "because technical advancement", in the same way sportspeople are still paid to run, kick, chuck and hit things even though technology has found more efficient ways of replicating all of those acts as individual tasks.

F1 survives as it's somewhat unique insofar as the drama, politics and soap operaness of it all has become a part of the occasion but outside of that most people want something mostly red blooded, and the noise is a big chunk of the fun.

Things change. People used to get about on horses. THAT was red-blooded (literally). Replaced by a machine.

Its called progress; you may have heard of it.

Are you drunk, have trouble understanding things, or quoted the wrong post or what?

[BVB]

I reckon it will be a FIAT entry, not Scuderia Ferrari. However, I do expect to see a Ferrari hybrid LMP1 at Le Mans in the not distant future.