RE: 'Toxin tax' tactics, PH style
Discussion
foibles said:
Seems to be some confusion here.
In looking at the Gov.UK website (which I presume to be as much authority as one needs) - it states that that two tier system only applies to tax for cars between 1977 (earlier than this and there is no tax) and 2001.
Post 2001 to 2017 it is actually a sliding scale based on emissions (there is a lower max cap for cars between 2001 - 2006). Which means if your JDM is - say - a 2002 R34 GTR V, or a 2001 RX7, or 2002 Supra..EVO (etc etc you get the 'drift') n- then surely this is not the 2-tiered system, but in fact the sliding scale system - which caps to up 305 for a 2006, and 535 for 2006 - 2017 models.
Imports over 10 years old use the same two tiered system, i.e. based on engine size rather than CO2 emissions.In looking at the Gov.UK website (which I presume to be as much authority as one needs) - it states that that two tier system only applies to tax for cars between 1977 (earlier than this and there is no tax) and 2001.
Post 2001 to 2017 it is actually a sliding scale based on emissions (there is a lower max cap for cars between 2001 - 2006). Which means if your JDM is - say - a 2002 R34 GTR V, or a 2001 RX7, or 2002 Supra..EVO (etc etc you get the 'drift') n- then surely this is not the 2-tiered system, but in fact the sliding scale system - which caps to up 305 for a 2006, and 535 for 2006 - 2017 models.
http://andrewsjapanesecars.com/japanese-import-car...
Mr2Mike said:
Imports over 10 years old use the same two tiered system, i.e. based on engine size rather than CO2 emissions.
http://andrewsjapanesecars.com/japanese-import-car...
Please tell me you've taken the time to read the Gov.UK website relating to this topic?http://andrewsjapanesecars.com/japanese-import-car...
If not, please tell me you have at least taken the time to read the very website you referred me to...for it is factually incorrect...but ultimately (to spare the effort of having to display a real example) - this website also refers its readers back to Gov.UK (DVLA) anyway!!
Imports over 10 years of age cannot use the two tiered system (if you believe this...I am happy for you to point me to the evidence, rather than a simple URL that is quite meaningless). The two tiered systems is for vehicles
'first registered'
between 1/1977 (for vehicles prior to this are tax exempt as at 1st April this year) and Feb 2001 (for vehicles after this fall into a 2 factor calculation based on fuel type and emissions).
For the benefit of others - and especially those looking to import or to buy a 'fresh' import - this may be worth considering.
If you read the DVLA website you will see that - as at today - eligibility for, application of and amounts of vehicle tax are determined based upon 'when the vehicle was registered'.
For emphasis - I will reiterate - 'when the vehicle was registered'.
I do not interpret this as when the vehicle type was classified
I do not interpret this as the date of vehicle import
I do not interpret this as the vehicle manufacture date
I interpret this (rightly, or wrongly, but I am trying to take a literal interpretation of the DVLA's own words) - as being 'when the specific vehicle in question is first recorded as a registerable vehicle on the DVA database'.
If - for instance - you bring in a 1986 Corvette, or a 1992 Honda NSX today - then that date of first registration is today (or whenever it is ready to be registered)
I see a lot of conjecture and confusion as to whether tax is based on emissions or some other factor. From what I can see, the most significant determinant is 'date of first registration' (see the issues with interpreting this...above), and from there other factors come into play, such as cubic capacity, fuel type, emissions and - now - even the 'list price' of a vehicle (I have not delved into the definition of list price).
Now...specifically with regards to imported vehicles....unless the DVLA is specifically willing or intending to accept some form of documentation (such as Shaken) from another country with regards to the date of registration of that vehicle in its previous country - and I see no clear statement that this is the case....I see the following as playing out.
Let's use a 1992 Honda NSX as an example.....
As it is being 'first registered' in April / May 2017, it's tax will be calculated as follows;
Years 2 through 6 will likely cost 590 in tax
Years 7 onwards will cost 140
Of course....presuming future governments do not muck with this even more!
I understand if anyone does not agree - but if so, please take the time to state your definition of first registration.
If indeed DVLA are willing to use either date of manufacture or date of first (proven) registration in a foreign country - then fine. Otherwise...I can see this really hurting the vehicle import trade.
If you read the DVLA website you will see that - as at today - eligibility for, application of and amounts of vehicle tax are determined based upon 'when the vehicle was registered'.
For emphasis - I will reiterate - 'when the vehicle was registered'.
I do not interpret this as when the vehicle type was classified
I do not interpret this as the date of vehicle import
I do not interpret this as the vehicle manufacture date
I interpret this (rightly, or wrongly, but I am trying to take a literal interpretation of the DVLA's own words) - as being 'when the specific vehicle in question is first recorded as a registerable vehicle on the DVA database'.
If - for instance - you bring in a 1986 Corvette, or a 1992 Honda NSX today - then that date of first registration is today (or whenever it is ready to be registered)
I see a lot of conjecture and confusion as to whether tax is based on emissions or some other factor. From what I can see, the most significant determinant is 'date of first registration' (see the issues with interpreting this...above), and from there other factors come into play, such as cubic capacity, fuel type, emissions and - now - even the 'list price' of a vehicle (I have not delved into the definition of list price).
Now...specifically with regards to imported vehicles....unless the DVLA is specifically willing or intending to accept some form of documentation (such as Shaken) from another country with regards to the date of registration of that vehicle in its previous country - and I see no clear statement that this is the case....I see the following as playing out.
Let's use a 1992 Honda NSX as an example.....
As it is being 'first registered' in April / May 2017, it's tax will be calculated as follows;
- Year 1 - based on emissions and fuel type - for an NSX this would cost 2000 GBP!
- Year 2 onwards - based on fuel type only - 140 GBP
- Years 2 to 6 - a special surcharge based on list price over 40K. If this gets the NSX, add 450 per year
Years 2 through 6 will likely cost 590 in tax
Years 7 onwards will cost 140
Of course....presuming future governments do not muck with this even more!
I understand if anyone does not agree - but if so, please take the time to state your definition of first registration.
If indeed DVLA are willing to use either date of manufacture or date of first (proven) registration in a foreign country - then fine. Otherwise...I can see this really hurting the vehicle import trade.
foibles said:
For the benefit of others - and especially those looking to import or to buy a 'fresh' import - this may be worth considering.
If you read the DVLA website you will see that - as at today - eligibility for, application of and amounts of vehicle tax are determined based upon 'when the vehicle was registered'.
For emphasis - I will reiterate - 'when the vehicle was registered'.
I do not interpret this as when the vehicle type was classified
I do not interpret this as the date of vehicle import
I do not interpret this as the vehicle manufacture date
I interpret this (rightly, or wrongly, but I am trying to take a literal interpretation of the DVLA's own words) - as being 'when the specific vehicle in question is first recorded as a registerable vehicle on the DVA database'.
You are completely incorrect in your assumptions/interpretations, the date of import is irrelevant.If you read the DVLA website you will see that - as at today - eligibility for, application of and amounts of vehicle tax are determined based upon 'when the vehicle was registered'.
For emphasis - I will reiterate - 'when the vehicle was registered'.
I do not interpret this as when the vehicle type was classified
I do not interpret this as the date of vehicle import
I do not interpret this as the vehicle manufacture date
I interpret this (rightly, or wrongly, but I am trying to take a literal interpretation of the DVLA's own words) - as being 'when the specific vehicle in question is first recorded as a registerable vehicle on the DVA database'.
How many Japanese grey imports have you owned out of interest, I'm thinking approximately none?
Mr2Mike said:
You are completely incorrect in your assumptions/interpretations, the date of import is irrelevant.
How many Japanese grey imports have you owned out of interest, I'm thinking approximately none?
By all means enlighten me.....if it is not the date of import....then what exactly IS the date used ? How many Japanese grey imports have you owned out of interest, I'm thinking approximately none?
You can type in your registration here to see if your car is exempt from T Charge payments
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...
1973 Daimler Sovereign. 4.2 litres, auto box, 1970s "olive green". Full length webasto sunroof in black vinyl.
Tax free, T-charge free, MOT free. Euro nothing. My Dad drove it all over Europe, it will handle London with no problems.
It's been sitting in the garage for about 8 years. It will be the winter project to get it going again.
Tax free, T-charge free, MOT free. Euro nothing. My Dad drove it all over Europe, it will handle London with no problems.
It's been sitting in the garage for about 8 years. It will be the winter project to get it going again.
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