RE: Audi SQ7: UK Review
Discussion
CS Garth said:
Another vulgar chav chariot for those who aspire to be nouveau riche and thus wish to adorn themselves with the trinkets of the tasteless on tick
Don't sit on the fence, do you like it or not? I'm not sure anyone who has £96k to spend on a diesel jeep could ever be classed as chav. Tasteless maybe, but taste is all a matter of opinion.
I kind of like this latest fast Q7 because it looks lower than a typical SUV from the side profile, more like a tall roofed roomy estate than a Defender 130...
Still don't like SUV's especially the single kid school run variety ('lets slalom my 2,7 ton tank I can't see out of through a sea of kids, just so that mine is safe as I drop them off 1m from the school gate'), but can't 'blame' someone for actually needing a roomy, accomplished car. Instead of weight rules, one should have at least three kids or large dogs to be allowed to buy this
Still don't like SUV's especially the single kid school run variety ('lets slalom my 2,7 ton tank I can't see out of through a sea of kids, just so that mine is safe as I drop them off 1m from the school gate'), but can't 'blame' someone for actually needing a roomy, accomplished car. Instead of weight rules, one should have at least three kids or large dogs to be allowed to buy this
Edited by Onehp on Tuesday 11th April 05:05
Why people give a monkies what other people drive is beyond me. Personally, If one of these was at the pump next to me I would regard it as driven by somebody who likes their motors as otherwise they would have got the regular 3.0tdi. They might even given the rallye a knowing nod...
Why people give a monkies what other people drive is beyond me. Personally, If one of these was at the pump next to me I would regard it as driven by somebody who likes their motors as otherwise they would have got the regular 3.0tdi. They might even given the rallye a knowing nod...
After driving a Chevy tahoe in the us of a - I guess this car is a similar size - I get the whole suv thing - and it was nice to drive something different - but I still prefer my estate.
Mainly because -
a) my 3 year old can climb into the estate her self - the tahoe she couldn't - it did have a step but she couldn't do it,
b) our roads are slightly smaller than usa - so I wouldn't feel comfortable driving this around lanes in cornwall for example - motorway would be a breeze
c) from all the hate on here I would probably never get out my road with all the hate as no one would let me out!
If someone wants to buy one of these cars I don't really understand the hate they get - maybe its due to our nature in the uk of my cars bigger than your get out of my way mentality that I seem to see around schools and on the motorway but equally I have seen this from a4 audis, 3 series bmw etc.
We seem to generalise quite a bit (like I have with the a4/bmw 3 series comment) - lets be honest we all know a tw@t that drives certain cars but for 1 tw@t driver its not good to tarnish all with the same brush
Mainly because -
a) my 3 year old can climb into the estate her self - the tahoe she couldn't - it did have a step but she couldn't do it,
b) our roads are slightly smaller than usa - so I wouldn't feel comfortable driving this around lanes in cornwall for example - motorway would be a breeze
c) from all the hate on here I would probably never get out my road with all the hate as no one would let me out!
If someone wants to buy one of these cars I don't really understand the hate they get - maybe its due to our nature in the uk of my cars bigger than your get out of my way mentality that I seem to see around schools and on the motorway but equally I have seen this from a4 audis, 3 series bmw etc.
We seem to generalise quite a bit (like I have with the a4/bmw 3 series comment) - lets be honest we all know a tw@t that drives certain cars but for 1 tw@t driver its not good to tarnish all with the same brush
PhantomPH said:
je777 said:
PhilboSE said:
small minded view of the world
Arf! Yep, you're seeing the bigger picture here.
How many times a day do you tell yourself 'I've *earned* this money'?
neil1jnr said:
je777 said:
wst said:
je777 said:
'Big = impressive' is the only 'thought' going on with those who buy these cars. High time there was a size and weight maximum on cars.
There is. 3.5t all-up weight. Achieve it how you please. Setting exterior dimensions, etc, means you'd get stupid situations where people would complain that their "legal" car doesn't fit down narrow roads - kinda like how people think that speed limits are a target and then proceed to throw their car off a hairpin at 40mph because "it was signposted at 40!".The 3.5t limit isn't really a limit on cars, though.
Maybe:
seats up to 5 people - max. 1.9 tonnes.
seats up to 7 people - max. 2.1 tonnes.
If anything, I'd say those weights are too generous by about 100kg.
Why make a suggestion of max weights then say you think the max weights that you have just given are too heavy by 100KG? All in the same post?
je777 said:
PhantomPH said:
je777 said:
PhilboSE said:
small minded view of the world
Arf! Yep, you're seeing the bigger picture here.
How many times a day do you tell yourself 'I've *earned* this money'?
"There's a lot of prejudice and ignorance displayed in any SUV thread, we've come to expect that from the small minded people [...]" and the "you can't afford it so you're bitter / jealous" arguments being thrown around.
First of all, why does this defense always come up in SUV discussion? Don't you understand you're just reinforcing the stereotype by saying that? "I can afford it, you can't so you're jealous". How is that helping the case exactly? It sounds like something straight from the playground. And how do you know the person leveling the critique can't afford it? Isn't it a bit patronizing to make that assumption?
Secondly, since when one has to be able to afford something in order to have an opinion on that thing?
Thirdly, citing ignorance is usually a sign you've run out of arguments and are doing the MJ's "you're ignorant" thing that South Park parodied so well.
You also seem to ignore that fact that although you personally might truly have a need for a 7 seater giant SUV with a monster of an engine (for whatever reason...) many people who buy it do not. Those "stereotypes" don't come from nowhere. I'd hazard a guess that for every person that professes the vital need for this vehicle in their life there's at least one (and my gut feeling is the ration is much worse that 1:1) out there driving same/similar vehicle, who drives their car only on tarmac, in the city, with only the driver inside it 95% of the time, whom can't park to save their life and has difficulty fitting that behemoth in a lane
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You will also struggle to refute the fact these cars have become a prestige thing and people buy them regardless of whether it makes sense or not. They just want to be seen driving a RR/SQ7/Breyugly/GL63. Marketing has done its thing and these are the consequences sadly.
First of all, why does this defense always come up in SUV discussion? Don't you understand you're just reinforcing the stereotype by saying that? "I can afford it, you can't so you're jealous". How is that helping the case exactly? It sounds like something straight from the playground. And how do you know the person leveling the critique can't afford it? Isn't it a bit patronizing to make that assumption?
Secondly, since when one has to be able to afford something in order to have an opinion on that thing?
Thirdly, citing ignorance is usually a sign you've run out of arguments and are doing the MJ's "you're ignorant" thing that South Park parodied so well.
You also seem to ignore that fact that although you personally might truly have a need for a 7 seater giant SUV with a monster of an engine (for whatever reason...) many people who buy it do not. Those "stereotypes" don't come from nowhere. I'd hazard a guess that for every person that professes the vital need for this vehicle in their life there's at least one (and my gut feeling is the ration is much worse that 1:1) out there driving same/similar vehicle, who drives their car only on tarmac, in the city, with only the driver inside it 95% of the time, whom can't park to save their life and has difficulty fitting that behemoth in a lane
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You will also struggle to refute the fact these cars have become a prestige thing and people buy them regardless of whether it makes sense or not. They just want to be seen driving a RR/SQ7/Breyugly/GL63. Marketing has done its thing and these are the consequences sadly.
Bladedancer said:
"I can afford it, you can't so you're jealous"
100% not what I am saying. My fundamental issue with these threads is that people use words like 'pointless' and 'chav' and throw out ridiculous statements about vehicles that are not their cup of tea. My 'defense' of that, is that I commend car manufacturers for still making things that are a bit nuts regardless of the segment and I would never in a million years judge those who choose to buy one.Yet when it comes to SUVs, people seem quite happy to levy massive judgements against anyone who would choose to spend their own money on whatever they like/want.
Narrow minded f
kers. Simple as that.In the case of mr. dipstick above, he comes across as bitter and jealous (and if you spend 30 seconds looking at his forum history, it's a running theme) and THAT'S my problem in this instance.
I cannot afford a new Lambo Aventador - but I see that as a reason to improve my lot as much as possible in the hope that I will also do that bit better and be able to attain things I covet. Other people seem to label anything more than they can afford and not to their taste, as a 'chav wagon' or 'bought by people with more money than sense'. Since the advent of The Lottery the number of people with more money than sense has increased, but anyone who has earned their money likely has a serious amount of sense...and not always taste. BUT THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.
Anyway, I made the mistake of engaging the troll.
Edited by PhantomPH on Tuesday 11th April 09:38
Regardless of whether the car in question is any good or not, certain cars get bought by and marketed toward certain people. The sort of person normally seen driving my car is an old coffin dodger. A Fiat 500 is normally seen being driven by a dizzy 20 something female who's on the phone.
The sort of person that has the best part of £100,000 to spend of an ostentatious, shouty, enormous (it really is a big car) SUV is unlikely to be a shy, retiring, wall flower, is it? it's very likely they are the sort of person that's trampled on a few minions in their time to get into the position they have. There are obviously exceptions to most rules, but in the main, this sort of car is likely to be driven by a knob.
The sort of person that has the best part of £100,000 to spend of an ostentatious, shouty, enormous (it really is a big car) SUV is unlikely to be a shy, retiring, wall flower, is it? it's very likely they are the sort of person that's trampled on a few minions in their time to get into the position they have. There are obviously exceptions to most rules, but in the main, this sort of car is likely to be driven by a knob.
Willy Nilly said:
...but in the main, this sort of car is likely to be driven by a knob.
Is it really, tho? Or do you just THINK it is?I mean...I'm a MASSIVE knob and I don't have one. Actually, maybe I'm just a bit of a knob....I do have a smaller version of this car. Cool! Not as big a knob as I thought I was! (Nah, I'm a proper knob...but here's hoping I can step it up and get me an even knobbier car!)
Everyone's experience is different, but my personal experience is that the knobbiest of them all are the Vectra/Insignia drivers who feel they have a point to prove whenever they encounter someone in a performance car.
PhantomPH said:
je777 said:
PhantomPH said:
je777 said:
PhilboSE said:
small minded view of the world
Arf! Yep, you're seeing the bigger picture here.
How many times a day do you tell yourself 'I've *earned* this money'?
'Interesting that defenders of these cars intimate that those who criticise them are simply jealous of the owners' wealth.'
That was where the discussion stemmed from - and then you stepped into it and said precisely that.
Money has nothing to do with my thoughts on this car.
But I won't bother with you any further as apparently you're the sort of person who believes they can invent 'personal issues' about complete strangers solely so they can feel good about themselves for 'winning' on the internet - may I suggest the Daily Heil for that sort of thing.
Adz The Rat said:
Usual boring predictable comments from people who don't like Audi's or SUV's, why open the thread then?
We should applaud Audi for making something so daft! Its in the same fashion as a Range Rover SVR or the Dodge SRT, stupid but fun.
I agree.We should applaud Audi for making something so daft! Its in the same fashion as a Range Rover SVR or the Dodge SRT, stupid but fun.
What a "thing" and I can't wait till someone gets their hands on it and starts tuning it.
Can a car that looks almost identical to the lower models in its family that cost a fair bit less be deemed as ostentatious? "Everyone look at my £72k plus car that looks about the same as a £50k car" doesn't have a particularly ostentatious ring to it and whilst the cost isn't the only way to be showy it is normally the reason people do so IMO.
Unless somebody knows what it is they wouldn't notice it looking any more lavish than a normal Q7 surely? Its not like an RS model with big arches and vents all over the place which although I do like them generally I can see why they would be viewed as ostentatious by some.
Although the SQ7 aren't my cup of tea if I wanted a 7 seater off-roader that was rapid it would be on the list to try.
Unless somebody knows what it is they wouldn't notice it looking any more lavish than a normal Q7 surely? Its not like an RS model with big arches and vents all over the place which although I do like them generally I can see why they would be viewed as ostentatious by some.
Although the SQ7 aren't my cup of tea if I wanted a 7 seater off-roader that was rapid it would be on the list to try.
je777 said:
Because earlier in the thread, I said:
'Interesting that defenders of these cars intimate that those who criticise them are simply jealous of the owners' wealth.'
Money has nothing to do with my thoughts on this car.
If money has nothing to do with your thoughts on this car, then why did you play the jealousy card when absolutely no-one on this thread had said that? Obviously money has EVERYTHING to do with our thoughts on this car, hence:'Interesting that defenders of these cars intimate that those who criticise them are simply jealous of the owners' wealth.'
Money has nothing to do with my thoughts on this car.
je777 said:
How many times a day do you tell yourself 'I've *earned* this money'?
You're obviously a very well balanced individual. Chips on both shoulders.PhilboSE said:
If money has nothing to do with your thoughts on this car, then why did you play the jealousy card when absolutely no-one on this thread had said that?
Mine was a general comment because, as Bladedancer points out above, someone always does on threads about SUVs.And then PhantomPH did.
As for the rest of what you've cherry-picked, people - if they were (bizarrely) minded to do so - could do what PhantomPH did and check my 'history' (but, seriously, who would do that?), or just have a look at what I actually said and what it was in response to (that last part is key - your cherry-picked quotes cunningly remove all context: you're not a journalist, are you?).
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