RE: Audi SQ7: UK Review

[Dale487]

jagfan2 said:

It'd the same size as as an rs6, not much heavier, cheaper, nearly as fast, in 90% of situations and faster in some, and much more economical and practical? Same with sq5 over and rs3 or rs5

Oh and all 18My on petrol will have nearly the same aftertreatment complexity and cost, hot v8's have yet to prove there longevity, and all big petrol cars have suicidal depreciation, have a look at an big AMG more than 3 yes old!

This motor in the panamera is amazing Gt though

The diesel V8 S Panamera has the same engine but without the "electric turbo" so is a little down on power & a little more down on torque.

[Rich_W]

numtumfutunch said:

philmots said:

jagfan2 said:

It'd the same size as as an rs6, not much heavier, cheaper, nearly as fast, in 90% of situations and faster in some,

I'd love to know in what real world situation this SQ7 will be faster than an RS6.

Have you ever driven an SUV?

You ever driven a C7 RS6. I have and I've also driven S/C Range Sports (which are lighter than Full Fat but not 7seats)

The RS6 is mega!

I get why people want SUVs But I'm not convinced I want one, since I don't need what they offer. Though worth pointing out the new Q7 is miles ahead of the old st box one.

[jagfan2]

Like it or not it's pretty rare you can deploy more than 300bhp/500Nm for any length of time, so it's about response. This engine will have amazing torque response, so you will get to enjoy monster effortless torque everywhere. Only a few engines will rival it, the Bentley W12 and the SVR V8

And saying they are only on school runs is no different to saying all convertibles are owned by hairdressers and posers! 2 prior posters prove it's not

TheDrBrian said:

PhilboSE said:

TheDrBrian said:

Is this the mythical real world where diesel batters petrol in gear?
Or the universe where a transit is faster than a boxster?

The observation wasn't about speed, it was about the difference between car types.

jagfan2 said:

It'd the same size as as an rs6, not much heavier, cheaper, nearly as fast, in 90% of situations and faster in some,

But then

PhilboSE said:

And yes, my SQ7 does batter a (say) RR SVR in gear - because 900Nm vs 680Nm.

according to Audi the SQ7 only puts out 435hp at 5000rpm and the SVR is 535hp at 6000 which is 456lb/ft and 475lb/ft respectively. So the Range Rover is faster.

[limpsfield]

PhilboSE said:

. The same way that not all Nissan Note automatics are driven by grannies on their way to bingo.

Ouch

[jon_273]

There was a cut-away model of the engine at the Geneva motor show. Yes it's very complicated and won't be easy to repair yourself in 10 years time, but it's technically interesting and I'm glad it exists.

[anonymous-user]

Kenny Powers said:

Just to be clear, some people are suggesting the car shouldn't be available to buy in the U.K. just because they personally don't like it? I don't like it either but I'm not going to stand in judgement of those who have different tastes and/or more money than me. Blimey...take a look in the mirror

Classic pH fkwittery sadly.

Quite often comes from folk who give little or nothing away about their own car ownership too.

[anonymous-user]

PhilboSE said:

Quit while you're...not ahead.

I bought one outright. I'll probably keep it for the next 8 years, like I did my last Q7. I'm not a VAG employee.

You need to look beyond your own prejudices to understand why people might have different buying requirements to you. Not all Q7 are driven by orange skinned blonde parents shuttling a single child to school. The same way that not all Nissan Note automatics are driven by grannies on their way to bingo.

I didn't encounter you on the road out from MK to Bedford a week or so ago one evening did I ?

It was impressively, nay ridiculously quick !

[Bladedancer]

martin12345 said:

The problem with this car is it's engine !! - who in their right mind is going to be willing to keep this thing on the road when it is ~10 years old. 2 turbo's, electric compressor, 2 EGR systems, Ad-blue injection, 2 DPF's and 8 common rail injectors plus their pump. There is about £10 to£20k of kit on this engine to deliver the performance and let it be legal. If you compare this with the kit on a petrol engine delivering similar performance (either V12 or V8 twin turbo) there are so just many huge bills that are going to arrive to keep it on the road that everything like this is going to end up as scrap

Technical master piece - yes. Sensible - not in any way, shape or form

Of course all of this is a combination of CO2 legislation and "my willy is bigger than yours" between the german engineers at BMW, Audi and Merc. If you want a fast car, stick to petrol and with turbo's if you have to

Rant over!

See the thing is - people who buy it will be rid of it in 2-3 years max. The lease, pp, finance deal will end (and the warranty...) and they'll hand it back in.
That is why these things depreciate like they're falling off a cliff.

And in 10 years - some punter who doesn't know any better and can't see the absolutely gargantuan bill looming on the horizon will buy it for perceived "prestige".

[Bladedancer]

V10Ace said:

CS Garth said:

Another vulgar chav chariot for those who aspire to be nouveau riche and thus wish to adorn themselves with the trinkets of the tasteless on tick

Your comment really Show's just how awful your life must truly be....

Please try to enjoy your Sunday, the Sun is out.. ;-)

I commute to West London and sadly, CS Garth makes a valid point. Perhaps well over the top presentation-wise, but it doesn't change the fact that big expensive SUVs seem to be driven by people who think they own the road just because they bought a big expensive car. Almost as bad as black A4 TDIs... :P
You can call me said/jealous/whatever if you like but that won't change reality.

[Kenny Powers]

With all due respect, it's a not a valid point at all, it's the the point of view you'd expect to be expressed from a simpleton.

Or if it's a valid point of view, then it's also a valid point of view for wealthy people in £100k Audis to look down their nose at the paupers driving around in hot hatches and the like.

Incidentally, reality is your perception of the way things are, not how they actually are

Edited by Kenny Powers on Monday 10th April 08:27

[99dndd]

Impressive technical achievement but I honestly can't see the point.

[oilslurper]

looking forward (or backward) to seeing one sitting right on my bumper!

[je777]

CS Garth said:

Another vulgar chav chariot for those who aspire to be nouveau riche and thus wish to adorn themselves with the trinkets of the tasteless on tick

Impressive that you managed to get classism into this because that's who is buying £70k cars - 'chavs'.

Not the nice middle classes, oh no.

(And if you can afford to buy it not on tick that makes it fine.)

Edited by je777 on Monday 10th April 09:17

[PhilboSE]

99dndd said:

Impressive technical achievement but I honestly can't see the point.

Can't see the point of a 7 seater 4WD car, or can't see the point of a faster version of such?

[Adz The Rat]

Usual boring predictable comments from people who don't like Audi's or SUV's, why open the thread then?

We should applaud Audi for making something so daft! Its in the same fashion as a Range Rover SVR or the Dodge SRT, stupid but fun.

[je777]

philmots said:

jagfan2 said:

It'd the same size as as an rs6, not much heavier, cheaper, nearly as fast, in 90% of situations and faster in some,

I'd love to know in what real world situation this SQ7 will be faster than an RS6.

Flying over speed bumps and getting right up your *rse with its high-up headlights blinding you.

'Big = impressive' is the only 'thought' going on with those who buy these cars. High time there was a size and weight maximum on cars.

[je777]

PhilboSE said:

PhantomPH said:

This car 'starts' at £72k, remember. You don't have to drop £25k on options. Not even close. The gap to the SVR is bigger in reality - especially once you start considering the fact the Audis like this will be subject to 'offers' sooner rather than later due to (lack of) demand.

There's one in my local dealer with a black pack on and it's a beast of a car. Too big for me, for sure (Q5 is perhaps the biggest you'd really want in prefer to not just add awkwardness to your life), but the interior was lovely and the black pack removed a lot of the shiner details that could add to the busy nature of a chromed model.

My SQ7 is similarly specced to the review model and I paid £75k for it, factory order. It is very hard to get a discount on a RR and with a few options an SVR is £115k+. That is one heck of a gap. The engine in the SQ7 makes the V8 diesel in the RR look (and feel) positively primordial, and gets economy that an SVR RR can only dream of (I get 30mpg on my typical urban/B-road driving and 38mpg on motorway runs).

There's a lot of prejudice and ignorance displayed in any SUV thread, we've come to expect that from the small minded people, but it's a shame to see some of it from Dan Trent, who one assumes aspires to become a motoring journalist when he grows up.

'Prejudice and ignorance' or 'people who you come at on narrow roads whilst they're going in the opposite direction in normal-sized vehicles rather a huge SelfishMobile, all whilst needlessly destroying the environment'.

'But it's big! I feel safe inside because it's so big. And I get to look down on others and that makes me feel superior.'

[davidcharles]

99dndd said:

Impressive technical achievement but I honestly can't see the point.

probably because people like big SUV's (especially in europe , middle east and the states) and richer people like fast fully kitted out SUV's

it might not make much sense over here but it probably does elsewhere.

there should always be the odd , pointless fast Audi anyway.

[je777]

Interesting that defenders of these cars intimate that those who criticise them are simply jealous of the owners' wealth.
Firstly, it says a lot about you if you think others should be jealous of how many shiny things you can buy.
Secondly, the theory is shot down in flames because what you don't see on these pages are people slamming others for buying Ferraris.

[Willy Nilly]

CS Garth said:

Another vulgar chav chariot for those who aspire to be nouveau riche and thus wish to adorn themselves with the trinkets of the tasteless on tick

Personally I expect this car will be bought by humble people who are very grateful to be in the position to buy such a vehicle and will drive it around with great care and courtesy so's not to draw any unwanted attention to themselves or their large car