RE: Jaguar F-Type goes four-cylinder

[treborcccp]

How to spoil a perfectly good car and why !!!!! do we need a slower F type?.They may have saved a little weight on the front end but by doing so have spoilt a stunning looking car and repeated the damage at the rear......The F Type is not a Porsche its a Jaguar and Jaguars do not go slow ....look what happened when they last tried this approach .
A sad day ....

[Rawwr]

treborcccp said:

How to spoil a perfectly good car and why !!!!! do we need a slower F type?.They may have saved a little weight on the front end but by doing so have spoilt a stunning looking car and repeated the damage at the rear......The F Type is not a Porsche its a Jaguar and Jaguars do not go slow ....look what happened when they last tried this approach .
A sad day ....

lol, hilariballs.

[Gettoff]

underphil said:

Given the design of the V6, I was expecting much more than a 52KG weight saving

Maybe they've just blanked off another two cylinders of the V8 block, like they did with the V6

[anonymous-user]

Gettoff said:

underphil said:

Given the design of the V6, I was expecting much more than a 52KG weight saving

Maybe they've just blanked off another two cylinders of the V8 block, like they did with the V6

[neil1jnr]

Fetchez la vache said:

IanCress said:

tomic said:

5.4 seconds to 60? That's not quick for a performance car these days. A 335d would show you a clean pair of heels as well as quite a few hot hatches.

If you're just chasing the numbers then you're missing the point of a 2 seater sports car.

Quite. Is that what driving a 2-seater is all about these days... racing some grey rep-mobile at the traffic lights /sarcasm

Surely a troll, lets compare the highest possible spec AWD diesel rep mobile by BMW (I love 335d btw) with the lowest possible spec RWD sports car by Jaguar and then lets comment on the 0-60 times... Ok then

I wish 0-60 times would just stop being quoted, totally irrelevant unless you are going to the drag strip.

[groomi]

What I'm interested in is when they'll drop this engine into other models. I'd like to have a petrol alternative to the 3L diesel in the XF.

Edited by groomi on Friday 14th April 13:44

[DonkeyApple]

I think the ingenium engines are scheduled to be in all models bar the XJ by 2018.

The really big question is whether the stop gap V6 (a quick cut down of the V8) will be replaced by an Ingenium straight 6 as mooted a while back.

[GrizzlyBear]

I always liked the F-type but there is something wrong here, and I am not put off by the 4-cylinder engine, but:

It is too expensive, might not be abroad, but in the UK, too much.

Automatic only? not just that, but does it really need 8 speeds? if I wanted to be insulated from the driving experience I would buy a small supermini, I want a proper manual, will Porsche sell me a manual?

It is too heavy, and is that a new design for the rear bumper?

Most of all why did they redesign the rear bumper, it really didn't need a redesign, I bet that is the result of a focus group or something, urgghhh.

[iSore]

I am one of the few who really doesn't find the F Type particularly attractive. I mean it's alright but I wouldn't look twice or cross the road to look at one. With the badge and a couple of details changed, it could be anything.

Four cylinder and auto? Why not drop a 1.6TDCi Ford lump in there - widening the choice as you say.

And £49'000? Good luck with that.

Edited by iSore on Saturday 15th April 09:13

[BenjiS]

groomi said:

What I'm interested in is when they'll drop this engine into other models. I'd like to have a petrol alternative to the 3L diesel in the XF.

What, you mean like the 250bhp inline 4, or the 380bhp v6 petrols they already do?

[Yipper]

Too slow and too expensive. Slower than a Golf R and almost twice the price. Ahm oot.

[jsc15]

RaineyDays said:

Like it, but I think £10k too expensive.

This was my view on the F-Type from launch, it sounds great and looks great......but the "basic" model just feels like it should start at £40k, and would sell like hot cakes if it did. Jag have over-estimated the market, and I can't see what people step up to an F-Type from.

It's not worth £20k of a jump from an S3 or Golf R.......no-one with a M3/M4/S5 is going to move to one......who are they targeting?

[Quickmoose]

Like the 4C/Alpine and 718 this for me reflects the sad current state of affairs...
Legislation pushing
general public not really caring
enthusiasts...real enthusiasts bemoaning the lack of real character now replaced with trickery and tech.

The F Type is a beautiful thing
the stats are ok
but when a power unit/exhaust has to be buggered about with to this extent to create party trick sounds, the the whole car weighs too much, no choice for a manual, it's really hard to get genuinely excited by it....and then they charge THAT much before options... that for me is creating false cache...."oooh its expensive, it MUST be good...." ?...no not really...
It's downsizing and degrading the status of the brand to pacify legislation in various countries...which of course makes HUGE business sense (like SUVs giving the uncaring public what they want).... but it's soulless.... dull and depressing. And that's coming from a bloke who adores his current four banger, but thats because its one of the best.

If I ever get to upgrade to a car of this 'level'...I'll be making damn sure I'm getting one with more real character than these low displacement, forced induction, automatics.

thank god they look good sat on your drive though

[Chafford1]

This is tax special for those markets that penalise bigger capacity engines. A quick check of the Jaguar website for the Netherlands indicates the 4 cylinder car costs 71K euros compared to 99k euros for the 340hp V6 auto and 113 euros for the 340hp V6 manual. Not sure how the Dutch car tax system works but it appears to heavily penalise cars producing higher CO2 emissions.


I agree though that the sound is disappointing compared to the V6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=699IsU1cn-g

[Regiment]

Jaguar have fallen a long way since the introduction of the E-Type.

[johnxjsc1985]

Regiment said:

Jaguar have fallen a long way since the introduction of the E-Type.

Really is that your input. They are producing some fantastic cars these days

[Chafford1]

johnxjsc1985 said:

Regiment said:

Jaguar have fallen a long way since the introduction of the E-Type.

Really is that your input. They are producing some fantastic cars these days

Completely agree - excellent cars these days.

[anonymous-user]

Chafford1 said:

Completely agree - excellent cars these days.

Some bloody awful powerplants though. The 2.0d ingenium engine is a nasty thing, and I think Harry Mundy and Walter Hassan would feel slightly sick at the idea of a 90 degree V6 made by blanking two cylinders off the V8

[iSore]

Modern Jags do nothing for me although I'll admit the F Type is quite striking to many. The XF was okay when it came out 9-10 years ago but the XE is just a 320d by another name and the latest XF is blandness personified - they seem to have taken lessons from BMW in making cars as innocuous as possible. I'm sure they're well put together and quite reliable, but where has the magic gone?
Old Jags (before Ford nonsense like the X and S Tripe) had average (at best) build quality............but they were considerably cheaper than the German opposition and offered a blend of beauty and magic carpet ride and a feel good quality that BMW and Mercedes could never achieve no matter how much money they cost.

To think in 1987 the Daimler Double Six cost around half as much as a 750iL or 500SEL. They pared the build costs to the bone and gave the first owner a truly magical car.

Todays Jags are generic, bland and just don't offer anything special over the competition whilst costing around the same. Why would you buy one over an Audi/Merc/BMW? I wouldn't.

Now, if the 2.0 F Type was £29'995 - different story. That would repeat the original Jaguar key to success, offering something fast and pretty for not much money. A lesson they seem to have forgotten alas.

Edited by iSore on Saturday 15th April 21:03

[kambites]

dme123 said:

Chafford1 said:

Completely agree - excellent cars these days.

Some bloody awful powerplants though. The 2.0d ingenium engine is a nasty thing, and I think Harry Mundy and Walter Hassan would feel slightly sick at the idea of a 90 degree V6 made by blanking two cylinders off the V8

Is the 2.0d Ingenium really any worse than the competition's four-pot diesels? None of them are exactly brimming with character and refinement.