RE: Jaguar F-Type goes four-cylinder

[AMGJocky]

SturdyHSV said:

But crucially regardless of the actual noise, it'll be loud, and loud = fast and generally good, so I'm sure it'll be popular.

Yeah, those EP3's just flllllyyyy

[Domf]

The F Type is sold globally and some people on here may have missed the World Car News (that's outside the UK ), but cities and countries around the world are penalizing large engine cars with huge purchase tariffs and in some places, plan to ban them from their cities. Jaguar bringing out a 2.0 4 cylinder F Type allows the model to be continued to be sold in these more eco times, otherwise the available sales market will continue to shrink for the likes of the F Type.

[Fire99]

I totally get why Jaguar are doing this from a sales and marketing perspective.

How it drives is probably a very separate issue. Let's face it, it's a 5 1/2 (or less) second 0-60, 150+mph car so its ultimate figures will be fast enough. It's character through the rev range is going to be the big issue. If it gets wheezy and rough at the higher end of the rev range then it'll be a miss in my opinion.

[tomic]

AMGJocky said:

Some people just don't get it I'm afraid.

As every day goes by, I care about 0-60 less and less.

Yes we do. I was commenting on the fact that the article says 0-60 in 5.4 seconds is seriously impressive. It isn't.

[Ekona]

mat205125 said:

Ekona said:

If ever a car was begging for a manual 'box, this would've been it. Save the weight, more involving, could get away with it being a four-pot then.

I want to agree, however the auto 8 will do a better job for 99% of people 99% of the time.

Tend to agree with you, I just wish they'd at least give people the option. I bet they don't sell many manual V6s either, but at least the choice is there.

[IN51GHT]

Fetchez la vache said:

article said:

R-Dynamic spec adds... a switchable active exhaust system.

Any idea / examples as to what this'll sound like on a 4-pot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=699IsU1cn-g

[annodomini2]

Fire99 said:

I totally get why Jaguar are doing this from a sales and marketing perspective.

How it drives is probably a very separate issue. Let's face it, it's a 5 1/2 (or less) second 0-60, 150+mph car so its ultimate figures will be fast enough. It's character through the rev range is going to be the big issue. If it gets wheezy and rough at the higher end of the rev range then it'll be a miss in my opinion.

Most of the buyers of these are usually Mid-life crisis crew (they're usually the only ones with enough money and no kids to cart about to afford one), they want a pose mobile over something specifically fast. If they wanted something for the driving experience, they'd probably buy the Porsche.

Most will never see the red line due to the Auto-box.

PH'ers would want a manual, but this is a comfy cruiser rather than a track master.

[CaptainSensib1e]

Sensible move by Jag to keep the sales rolling in, but not for me thanks.

[philmots]

How much does it actually weigh?

I've got a new 300hp Cupra, coming from a 510hp XFR I though it'd be a bit lame but it constantly surprises me how much go it's got.

Looking at he figures it weighs about 1350kgs which is about 500kgs lighter than the XFR!

Point being, if it's light enough it'll go well.. but isn't the F Type really heavy, 4 cylinders or not?

[DPSFleet]

I suppose this is progress? Not for me, Jags will always be 6, 8 or 12 cylinder. My advice? Get a V8 and hang onto it before they stop making it..

[fatboy b]

IanCress said:

tomic said:

5.4 seconds to 60? That's not quick for a performance car these days. A 335d would show you a clean pair of heels as well as quite a few hot hatches.

If you're just chasing the numbers then you're missing the point of a 2 seater sports car.

Yep. 0-60 times = irrelevant these days.

[SturdyHSV]

AMGJocky said:

SturdyHSV said:

But crucially regardless of the actual noise, it'll be loud, and loud = fast and generally good, so I'm sure it'll be popular.

Yeah, those EP3's just flllllyyyy

Sorry, perhaps I should have put <sarcasm> tags in my post. For the avoidance of doubt, I have a powerful hatred for loud 4 cylinder shopping cars, and for the individuals who seem to have the opinion that a car that sounds good is simply a car that is loud, which I strongly disagree with.

[Venturist]

IN51GHT said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=699IsU1cn-g

Could be worse, they've clearly done their best, but a little uninspiring. For me the thing is this takes the shine off the range a little. What used to be "baby Aston" now feels a bit more "entry-level Mercedes convertible".
When's the diesel?

Edited by Venturist on Wednesday 12th April 13:32

[Sten.]

It's not the model for most of us on here. A 4 pot in a sports car only works when it's light, nimble and you can stir a lovely manual gearbox to make the most of it. Won't stop plenty of people buying one though - those who care less about the drive and more about the look/image of the car. They could stick a 4 pot diesel in this and it would almost certainly be the best seller in the range.

[donteatpeople]

Ekona said:

mat205125 said:

Ekona said:

If ever a car was begging for a manual 'box, this would've been it. Save the weight, more involving, could get away with it being a four-pot then.

I want to agree, however the auto 8 will do a better job for 99% of people 99% of the time.

Tend to agree with you, I just wish they'd at least give people the option. I bet they don't sell many manual V6s either, but at least the choice is there.

I'm not really bothered by the lack of a manual option. I'm a big fan of a manual box but for me the sound a car makes is also a big part of the engagement in the drive. Realistically, how many people are going to be bothered enough about driver engagement to spec a manual but then also think, 'you know what, I think the 4 pot will be best option for me'? I'd bet that overlap between those two demographics will be minuscule.

A V6 manual would be the sweet spot for me.

[AMGJocky]

SturdyHSV said:

AMGJocky said:

SturdyHSV said:

But crucially regardless of the actual noise, it'll be loud, and loud = fast and generally good, so I'm sure it'll be popular.

Yeah, those EP3's just flllllyyyy

Sorry, perhaps I should have put <sarcasm> tags in my post. For the avoidance of doubt, I have a powerful hatred for loud 4 cylinder shopping cars, and for the individuals who seem to have the opinion that a car that sounds good is simply a car that is loud, which I strongly disagree with.

No need to apologise, I am completely with you and being sarcastic myself. We are both in the same boat!

[Gandahar]

AMGJocky said:

SturdyHSV said:

AMGJocky said:

SturdyHSV said:

But crucially regardless of the actual noise, it'll be loud, and loud = fast and generally good, so I'm sure it'll be popular.

Yeah, those EP3's just flllllyyyy

Sorry, perhaps I should have put <sarcasm> tags in my post. For the avoidance of doubt, I have a powerful hatred for loud 4 cylinder shopping cars, and for the individuals who seem to have the opinion that a car that sounds good is simply a car that is loud, which I strongly disagree with.

No need to apologise, I am completely with you and being sarcastic myself. We are both in the same boat!

And I bet you both look over when you hear these loud noises when you are down the supermarket or near Halfords, just to see what it it? That's the petrol in you and the petrol in them. They probably are young and drive them more too their potential than the blonde Boxster drivers who fanny about to be honest.

My loud MX5 got stuffed last night by an E92 M3, my wife was in the car and 90 seemed fair enough, 120 was his ideal. Yes his engine made a better sound ( especially over the latest 6 cyl turbo one ) but mine was ok. Get off your horse and don't disparage our younger enthusiasts. I'm 50 and think there are two many grumpy old male purists about reading on here.

Bugger off. To quote my wife

"That exhaust sounds too loud"

Me

This is why, an 8kg saving

Edited by Gandahar on Wednesday 12th April 14:07

[Shnozz]

CaptainSensib1e said:

Sensible move by Jag to keep the sales rolling in, but not for me thanks.

It will be interesting to see what the sales numbers do with the 4 pot.

The F-Type has 2 massive tick boxes. 1. It looks wonderful. 2. It sounds wonderful.

By deducting one of those I wonder how much impact it will have.

Had a lovely black one pull alongside me on the M1 yesterday, give me a nod and give it some beans off and away. It really does sound sublime.

[KevinCamaroSS]

I wonder what the ratio of sales of the Mustang is? They have the 300bhp ecoboost 4 or a 400+ bhp V8. Perhaps Jaguar are looking to pick up some of those sales?

[Gandahar]

The main issue here, which the article does not mention is that they say

"52kg lighter over the nose"

which is a big loss. However, how much mass is in the front of the car? Is this 1700kg for a car and loosing 52kg is not as big a deal as a 1400kg car?

It's all relative of course.